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(2c-e/12 mgs) Strong medicine

spaceroach

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Holy shit. What a ride.

Took the (12mg) dose around midnight last night. I played some Morrowind while I waited to come up. Got first alerts around
12:45. By 1AM I was beginning to trip. I remember looking at this little ape statue (see no evil) I keep on my night stand;
it was growing and shrinking in places. The wood grain pattern on my night stand then began to ripple and flow like water.
I looked at my bed. The patterns on the cover were doing the same thing. I noticed the floor was rippling, morphing. I was
experiencing some gastrointestinal discomfort, so I went to the bathroom. Just gas, thank god. But the tile flooring was
fractalising and moving around; it felt very busy. It seems like an eternity has passed, but a glance at my phone indicates
it was 1:17. It seemed I was in for a long night.

An hour later. There was a degree of anxiety, common to me, over the necessity to be completely silent lest I wake my
mother sleeping in the next room. I am tired yet wide awake, full of a cold sweat. Attention span is completely out the
window. Hallucinations are becoming severe; the painting on my wall has become 3-dimensional, shifting and writhing.
Indeed, everything has a waving, melting look to it. This is getting more intense by the minute.

Sleep is attempted. My blankets are difficult to navigate as my tactile senses are just as melty as everything else. I'm
hot, I'm cold, I'm hot again... sigh. My mind has nowhere to turn but inward at this point. Instead of the usual
introspective hell I'd have expected, this was decidedly abstract, like touching spatial dimensions that maths buffs like
to dream of. At the same time, my conscious mind was stuck in some cognitive loop, saying, "God this is cool but when does
it wear off? Has it been twelve hours yet? This time dilation is a bitch." I check the clock. 2:13.Wait an eternity.
Check the clock. 2:14. Ah shit. I lay there, forever, restless yet exhausted. In this state I lay until 8 o'clock, when my
mother's gone to work.

I get up. I am still very stoned, and so tired. I eat a banana. It's a little green, but my body needs it, and welcomes it.
Again, no attention span. Don't know what to do. Try sleeping again. No dice. I start watching Pan's Labyrinth. Pretty
heavy movie for a head. I finally attempt to relieve myself again to no avail. I can feel the brown explosion just waiting
to be born, but it's not ready yet. For now, just gas. Thank god.

By 11am I remain somewhat disoriented but the profound hallucinations have ceased. Still can't sleep though.

So, based on this one experience so far, I have found 2c-e to be a serious psychedelic that does not much lend itself to
recreational use. Its effects are so profound and long-lasting I could imagine someone less prepared than I was to have
an episode. Especially given that the dose I took would be considered fairly low. In the future, lower doses yet will be
explored.
 
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Nice report, I recently dosed 12mg with piracetam at 9am, it was just barely letting go twelve hours later. Gotta plan for a long day ahead :) Lovely stuff though
 
Nice report, I recently dosed 12mg with piracetam at 9am, it was just barely letting go twelve hours later. Gotta plan for a long day ahead :) Lovely stuff though

That's the problem with this stuff is finding the time... working an FT job and living with my anti-drug Mom makes it difficult to plan a trip. I'm going out next time.
 
Hey there Greater Vancouver dude...

Just want to be sure, was this your first time on 2C-E ?

I noticed that pretty early in the trip - looks like inside 3 hours - you were trying to get to sleep. I would have thought was optimistic, given what I've read about 2C-E. I have not tried it, though. The time dilation in those kind of circumstances, as you suggest, must have been unwelcome at the least.

Would you choose a different setting next time ?
 
Hey there Greater Vancouver dude...

Just want to be sure, was this your first time on 2C-E ?

I noticed that pretty early in the trip - looks like inside 3 hours - you were trying to get to sleep. I would have thought was optimistic, given what I've read about 2C-E. I have not tried it, though. The time dilation in those kind of circumstances, as you suggest, must have been unwelcome at the least.

Would you choose a different setting next time ?

Yep, that was the 1st Trial.

The setting was not appropriate at all. I only got in the bed because I didn't want to make racket and wake up my Ma. I knew even then sleep was not an option, but... So of course I spent the whole night, just thinking. I have attention span problems at the best of times, so I was pretty bored lying there. I'd say subjectively it seemed like about 20 hours, or 200, depending when you'd have asked me. I tried reading but my mind was going on tangents before I could get to page 2.

Next time I think I'll spend a day out somewhere.
 
Part 2: Hooray, I'm insane!

This time around, I took a roughly 4mg (give or take a mg) dose insufflated.

T - 1:00: Did a couple lines of some really nice cocaine. Really nice.
T - 0:05: Took a couple wee bumps of the coke to numb the noostrils.
T - 0:00: Insufflated approx. 4mg of 2c-e. Even through the blow it stings.
T + 0:05: Yes, quite high. Not as intensely so as last time, and mindset is better.
T + 0:30: Already hitting a mild peak. No obvious OEV's, but lots of sparklies in the peripheral vision. No body load. Smoke a wee bowl of weed. There's now an MDA-like sensation, and warmth. I am suddenly very aroused. Begin to watch porn.
T + 1:30: No success letting the demons out, somewhat like MDMA my mind is too scattered for that. In fact, attention span is completely gone. My inner monologue is as coherent as that "Drinking out of Cups" guy. I think it would be fun to explore my imagination in this mindset, so I go dark and cover up in bed, listening to mild ambient music. I experience the most vivid and strange daydreams. People being stacked up and piled into this Rubik's cube machine, alien faces inches from my own face, to completely abstract cel-shaded 5d graphics in technicolor.
T + 4:00: Get up and watch some Futurama movies. Still high but the plateau has rolled back.
T + 7:30: Smoked a joint. I am fucking smashed. Nothing makes sense. I regard a piece of broken glass across the parking lot with suspicion. It's not auto glass, this is like half a window in the middle of a big parking lot. I don't know why I care anyway. It occurs to me that I am temporarily insane and laugh at the concept. I decide it would be ineteresting to record a stream of consiousness:
"fire laser beam go don't just stand there. wait. isn't there jellybean jackson on the shelf? what is that, jellybean jackson. whatever it's down at the hobo market. silly miss prinlges, cat shit is not for you. oh, go ahead anyway then. monkeys make lousy banana counters. that's why there are rich people I guess. i need a sandwich. that guy outside sounds like charlie browns teacher. i don't know what this is.at least there clock is there to keep me on track. dogs. dogs on the wind, four-legged angelsfrom outserspace. What is this shape? it changes but it stays the same."

I finally stopped typing but the thoughts kept going.

T + 9:00 Still not baseline, very fatigued but restless. Eating lots of food. Typing trip report. oh hey now it's done!
 
Jeez, which I'd thought of doing some blow beforehand, my first time w/2ce I snorted a whole bunch and felt like death for the first half hour. It's like getting punched in the face by hallucinogens!! =D
Nice report, good descriptions.. the nice thing about snorting it is that it doesn't last so long, so if you have limited time or don't want to have a long trip its perfectly painful. did you feel sick when you insufflated it? My friends and I were pretty nauseous..
Oh. and hello from the lower mainland!
 
Wow -are you sure your scale is accurate??? I say this cause the first report sounds more like 20mg--you reported a 12mg dose and had those hard-hitting effects?? Even the second report sounds more like 8-10 mg insufflated..
 
Yeah im suprised at how powerful your trip seems to have been for what for me and many of my friends would consider a low dose, a dose which I wouldn't even bother enduring the comeup for.
 
Some food for thought

Hi there, after going over your experience report, I have a few ideas that I thought may help you in the future. But first, a little on my background:

I have over 15 yrs under my belt with both strong and light psychedelic experiences. I treat these compounds as a sacrament. I use these experiences as my "church" - being that I don't belong to any religious organization, tripping is my God, church, spirituality and is my understanding of what life is and has to teach me. I generally take a voyage only twice or 3 times a year, just depends. Once every 3 years or so I will take a "heavy" trip, the kind that involves the necessity of having a sitter. And in the end having a revelation or life altering experience in which I am changed forever but in a positive way. I hold a very large amount of respect toward all psychs, synthetic or not, and never just trip "for the fun of it". I always have a reason or goal in mind before I set out on a journey.

In preparation for a trip whist coming up, some people meditate, some like taking a warm shower, some (like myself) enjoy smoking a bit of pot, listening to some soothing music, talking to close friends etc. In my years of experience, the last thing you ever want to do while coming up, is to try and sleep or fight it in any way, this will only worsen the situation. This is basically your sub-conscious "flight" mechanism telling you to try and escape the effects (which is unavoidable), while there is no way out, it just leads to anxiety, panic and all around bad feelings, being that it (the drug) isn't going to end and in reality is only going to grow in intensity.


COMMENTS ON YOUR REPORT:

After reading your report and reflecting on it a bit, I've decided to give you some constructive criticism. So here ya go:

It sounds to me like you are younger (still at home), maybe a little bit inexperienced and misinformed to what the idea of a stronger (ie 2C-E) psychedelic experience is suppose to entail for the user. Correct me if I am wrong as this is just what I gathered from your read. I understand this was your first time with this particular substance as well. Again, this isn't meant to come off as offensive or saying "you did it wrong", and I apologize now if it sounds at all that way.

To me it seems that your set and setting (for this experience) was poorly chosen, and that you sort of did it on a whim without completely planning for the 10-12 hr experience. And if you sit back and look at the situation, think about it... I mean really, how much fun can you have sitting alone in your bedroom, tripping balls while worrying about waking your mom who is in the next room? (I have been there, I know, lol) Also, without any friendly company around, and on top of that -nobody in the house can know that you are high? No fun at all, like I said, I have mistakenly done it as well when I was young. It kinda sounds like you did this out of sheer boredom, (which happened to be my reasoning as well with my tripping at home experience) but can lead to a very dull and unrewarding experience. 2C-E is a powerful compound, and I would not label it as a recreational "fun" high (but can be in the right setting), it is a deep and complex substance that should be treated with care. Next time take a day and try it outdoors on a nature trail with some friends. Or at night at a friends or something like that, just not at home with ma, lol. I am positive you will have a way different and better experience that way.

"God this is cool but when does it wear off? Has it been twelve hours yet? This time dilation is a bitch." I check the clock. 2:13.Wait an eternity. Check the clock. 2:14. Ah shit. I lay there, forever, restless yet exhausted.

This doesn't seem like you were struggling, but rather just getting annoyed by the fact that you were expecting something different and now you were stuck along for the long ride, like it or not. But again, allowing these feelings, you are activating your flight response and it can cause unwanted anxiety/panic.

I have seen the "flight" mechanism be triggered before many times to first timers, and have even seen experienced psychonauts get "the fear" when they have gotten in deeper than they initially intended. When the thought of "I'm losing touch with reality and I want it to stop" happens, I notice the first thing that enters the un-trained mind is to try and blank it out, or maybe try and "sleep it off" as soon as the the (sometimes) uncomfortable coming up phase starts or even during a hard peak. This is the most beautiful part of the experience, and is where you will do the most learning.

One must understand to embrace this and work through it however it may need to be done, it will make you stronger, very similar to facing your fears. In fact a great way to look at it is - if you are scared or overwhelmed at any time during a trip, pretend as if it is a fear you are overcoming, then search deep inside your mind/soul and you will discover how to defeat and face the fear/anxiety at hand.

I don't think (from what you wrote) that you were at any point during this trip feeling fearful, but you did make mention of wanting it to end, which in most cases creates worry or panic.


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MY TRIP RITUAL:

Just as an example, here is what I do to prepare for a voyage of the mind:

I find it important to associate the experience with sort of a ritual. My personal ritual involves cleansing the area in which I will be spending my trip, making sure I am not expecting anyone that is uninvited, phones are turned off, and I only keep the company that is to be there during voyage. I get everything out that will be needed for the experience, ie. some pot, smokes, colorful lights, toys etc, candy and anything that could be entertaining or stimulating during the trip.

Prior to dosing or even shortly after dosing (depending on the chemical), I sit and meditate, even if for only 20 mins. I do like to try and meditate longer, but like I said, it is all relevant to the scenario and choice of chemical for the session. When I meditate, I clear my mind of negative thoughts, I go through my memory banks and bring up all the things that have been bothering me the most. I focus on these things and work through them, (so they do not manifest later during the trip and cause anxiety), which helps to make for a smoother ride.

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I recommend this to everyone as it has kept me from having a "bad trip" ever since I have implemented a ritual prior to the voyage. I used to dose for fun and wouldn't prepare with a cleansing ritual beforehand - this would cause sometimes cause the feeling of wanting it to end early (unknown to me at the time) being that I hadn't worked out any of my issues. Thus, the negative thoughts would collectively manifest during the come up or peak. Through the confusion of being very high with racing negative thoughts, this would cause anxiety from not being in the correct frame of mind to properly deal with or reconcile these thoughts, therefore they are allowed to run rampant inside the mind building toward unwanted feelings of tension, anxiety and panic, which can often times lead to a "bad trip"

Please understand that I am here to enlighten/help, and am not bashing you or your experience at all - as I would never do that to another person. I live to help others in any way(s) I am able. I would just like to see you thoroughly enjoy and achieve something positive for your next voyage. There is no sense in wasting a perfectly good trip if it can be avoided by taking the proper steps and planning.

I hope that my words and thoughts have helped, or at least shed a bit of light in areas that were dark before. And hopefully I have helped to steer you in a better direction to achieve a full, rich experience on your next journey.

Best wishes and Much Love
-Noddy
 
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Thanks for the helpful comments. I'll try to clarify a few things:

1. I'm 28. I've had my share of mushroom & LSD trips, usually in the lower dosage range (ie. 1 hit or less than 2g of cubes) but it's been something like 7 years since until now.

2. My scale isn't the greatest, but that isn't the reason for the strength of my trips. I've always been sensitive to the effects of substances. I roll face off less than 100mg of MDMA. I'd say the accuracy of the given measurements can't be much worse than +/-2mg. The first time less so as I used volumetric measurement wherein I weighed 50 mL of water to weigh exactly 50 grams (one mL = one gram, handy if you don't have a particularly accurate graduated cylinder) and mixed in 100mg of 2c-e to make a 2mg/mL solution (I still have half a bottle left of this stuff!)

I acknowledge that some people may perceive the setting of these trips as inappropriate, granted I wish my mom didn't have to live here (it's a long story), aside from that I feel it was necessary for me to "learn" this substance in an environment in which I felt secure before I start going out to the woods or walking around at festivals having psychotic episodes (lol).

The second time was on a whim, foolish perhaps, but there you have it. I knew what I was getting into. I remember once when I was a kid I got drunk, got mad, and punched a wall. The wall won, my hand was broke. I don't remember much of that night but I woke up holding a bag of once-frozen peas with a broken hand. A friend told me what I did, and through the pain I smirked and said, "I had it comin'." Like the Dr. says, buy the ticket, take the ride. That hand is still a little twisted now.

Anyways, I don't regret either experience. Even if it weren't for the extremely vivid OEV's which I regarded with a curious horrified joy ("why wont this floor stay still"), at least the second time around I really enjoyed the mindfuck, and in "meditating" (in a badly corrupted sense of the word) re-discovering how much fun it can be to explore one's own mind.
 
Oh, and Noddy, I know what you're talking about with the "sacredness" of tripping, although I've only had the "religious revelation" type of trip once long ago, when I ate way. too. many. mushrooms by "accident". I plan on doing a real face-melter on 4-ACO-DMT this summer, but I know I'm not ready yet... I'm still trying to break down my internal model of reality, get used to that strange whirling void-machine behind it. When I can see the walls melt without losing my shit, I'll be ready. Well, sort of. Moreso anyway.
 
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