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2C-D - Second Time - Dissapointing Cognitive Enhancer

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I measure out fifty-milligrams of 2C-D. It is a fluffy, gleaming-white powder and I dissolved that into ten-milliliters of distilled, sterile water. This is held in a glass vial for ease of use and measurement. The 2C-D almost immediately went into solution and required no heat and just a little shaking.


Monday, May 3, 2004

5:53 PM: Measuring with a syringe, I drew up one-milliliter of the solution which contained five-milligrams of 2C-D. This experiment is to better understand and experience this molecule’s alleged “smart-drug properties” for a future study I plan on conducting. It had a slightly bitter flavor, but it wasn’t bad at all.

6:19 PM: Definitely feeling an alert. Difficult to define. I feel a kind of warmth in the chest, and the knowledge that I have taken something. Not really stimulating, just warm.

6:40 PM: At this point, the effects seem to be fully developed. I guess I am at a plus-one. There is warmth in the chest and a slight increased interest in activities I am doing. But there is nothing that I can feel to really be considered cognitive-enhancement. I felt more from piracetam, and find d,l-amphetamine to be a much better study aid then this. There are no amphetamine-like feelings with five-milligrams of 2C-D.

7:03 PM: Not much more than before. It’s been well over an hour, and from my prior experience with 2C-D, I know this is as far as it is going to go. I would describe this as a “buzz” really more than anything else.

7:19 PM: I just read an essay given to me by an on-line acquaintance. I found the 2C-D seemed to increase my interest in reading the work, but I also can not honestly say it is not a placebo result. There is no truly discernible activity beyond the “phenethylamine body-buzz” that I can actually confirm is occurring. I do not notice any cognitive-enhancement or “smart-drug properties.”

7:34 PM: Much of the same. If there is any cognitive-enhancement, it is simply because I can feel a small amount of a psychedelic in my body and thus I am more alert. But there are no psychedelic effects at this level. All I feel is just the warm feeling in the chest, and perhaps now some mild stimulation. But not like d,l-amphetamine stimulation. I have no desire to work, or do anything productive. I just feel a little “uppity” as if I’ve had too much coffee.

8:07 PM: Again, the same. Warm body buzz, but no cognitive-enhancement. I am going to call this experiment “finished” and smoke some cannabis to relax. There is some slight residual stimulation and now a tiny bit of nausea and I am hoping the pot helps this. But it is more annoying that anything. And again, the stimulation is not like d,l-amphetamine stimulation. I do not feel productive or want to work.

8:15 PM: Just took a balloon of nitrous oxide and the experience was short, but very intense. I know the 2C-D enhanced the effects of the gas, however as the gas wore off I did not notice anymore effects from the 2C-D. The cannabis did not increase the effects either. Five-milligrams of 2C-D is definitely a sub-threshold psychedelic dosage, but I bet it would increase the effects and add a little “flavor” if one were to take 2C-D at this dosage with another psychedelic.

9:00 PM: I don’t really feel anything left at all, and I am going to go out and visit with friends.

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Conclusion: The main reason I did this experiment was that I want to test 2C-D against a few other molecules in a controlled study and see if 2C-D shows any unique cognitive enhancing properties. I felt that I needed to know what a “smart drug” level was like. I also need experience 2C-D at the five-milligram level because I must now find the equipotent dosages of the other phenethylamines I plan to use in my experiment to verify if 2C-D does show cognitive-enhancing properties.

I personally did not find that it was a “smart-drug” at five-milligrams. But I also did not take any cognitive tests before and during the experiment to really see. I simply went by what I felt. I think d,l-amphetamine is a much better tool for concentration because it actually works for me at a five-milligram dosage, and there is no nausea from d,l-amphetamine.

I feel if I had increased the dosage of 2C-D to ten-milligrams, psychedelic effects would begin. And smaller dosages would probably have less “smart drug” properties than what I took. So, I am not personally comfortable with calling 2C-D a “smart-drug” in small dosages, but I will wait and see what the results are when I test it with other people. A full report of the methodology for the study, and what my findings are will be published.

But as for my personal feelings, I think the cognitive-enhancement this chemical is said to have does not exist. At least in my case, there are better things I have used for that purpose and I will stick with them. I do however think that 2C-D is a fantastic tool at psychedelic levels, and I will always keep it in the arsenal for such use.
 
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Interesting report, and I find it agreeable.

In my experience, 5mg rectally (to me that is like taking 10 orally) did have mild psychedelia, so you are right. Also, though I found that it immersed me better in my reading and made it more enjoyable with easier associative thought, it also made it rather hard to concentrate (in my report I say "a bit" - actually, looking back, it was much harder to concentrate than if I were sober).

So in terms of "cognitive enhancement," 2C-D is, IMO, just like most other psychedelics in this aspect. It enhances it, but makes it harder at the same time.

And I do agree that it is a great material as a psychedelic. Even in my single experience, I found it VERY rewarding.
 
This was pretty much my experience with 2CD as a putative smart drug. A waste of time which does more to inhibit than enhance study.
 
I made a comment in another thread re this.. to sum it up, I challenged the 'smart drug' properties and said it was false / hype.

Having tried (and enjoyed to a degree) piracetam, hydergine, and vinopocetin, I can say that 2C-D is nothing like these substances..

Frankly, the 2C-X phens really dont seem to just 'be the right substances' for focus and intelligent thought.

Now, the various versions of alpha-methyl-phenethylamine - now THERE are some drugs that can be used as good study aids, in low doses.

From all that I have read (much outside of PiHKAL), I highly doubt any of the 2C series of mescaline analogues (? variations?) will yield much potential for 'smart drug' use.

EDIT: This is in no way a jab at the other
 
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Meh. I'm sorry this didn't work out for you MGS, I guess it's a matter of preference. I can't study while on caffeine, let alone speed or anything like that.

I reckon certain people just study in a certain way that is enhanced by this drug. It's not for everyone, so maybe it's not so good to call it a 'smart drug' in general , but maybe you shouldn't be so confident about discounting it's uselfulness as one either.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^

I am not overconfident about anything and did not say 2C-D will not work for other as a cognitive-enhancer. I said 2C-D did not work for me as a smart drug. I am going to conduct a study on 2C-D to see if it acts as a smart drug in others. Since you didn't this in my report, I'll requote myself...

as previously posted by MGS
"So, I am not personally comfortable with calling 2C-D a “smart-drug” in small dosages, but I will wait and see what the results are when I test it with other people. A full report of the methodology for the study, and what my findings are will be published."
 
I can't wait to hear the reports of your study. I completely agree that amphetamine type ADD medications are better for studying, but I'm glad to hear that you are open minded about how 2c-d may affect others. I don't think 2c-d is a good idea for intense cram sessions, Adderall beats it hands down in this regard. And for what its worth, I don't think it's a "smart drug" either (I hate that term), it just made me notice different things about the material I was studying at the time, and the manner in which I was studying. Though I can say that I've made some improvements in my study habits since trying 2c-d as a study enhancer, particularly paying attention to the pronounciation of words. Well, good luck with your study.
 
Sorry bout that MGS that post might have come off a little harsh... it wasn't really meant as such but just a quick rebuttal on my part.

In any case your study sounds moi interesting and I'm glad someone took it upon themselves to look into this properly (the 2C-D as a smart drug study that's been floating about until now looks more like an advert from the 80s than an honest report).
 
^^^ And now he's devising a 'study' for the stuff.

MGS - As far as the 'psychonaut' field is concerned, you legitamately (for what it's worth) qualify as a leader - Nobody else is undertaking anything like this, nobody else cares enough to take the time. But you do, and for this we are thankful :)

-- From the book of Psychedelia
 
Thanks, but due to legal matters my study will be ristricted to inner circle members, many who have been "tainted" by both having taken some of the molecules I want to look at, as well as being aware of my desire. But it's the best I can do. Can't take out an ad in the paper sadly because I would get probably get arrested. I've already opened my big mouth and probably shouldn't have. At least until I actually did the study. :\ But hopefully I'm just being a worry-wart.

I'd say Shulgin, Hofmann, Szara (sp?), Hoffer, Nichols, and the many other who have conducted studies that truely stick to the scientific method deserve the title of "leaders." However, even though my group will be tained, there will be measures to to get control tests/results and I do think it will yeild some relative data. Thank you.

MGS
 
I will try to post about my own experiences with 2C-D as a cognitive facilitator. After taking it at doses ranging from 5-10mgs (with boosters later on some occasions), I am still trying to understand its properties.

I think 2C-D will prove to be very useful to some people and of little or no use to others. It may depend on personality-type as well as natural attention span. In my case it has taken learning. It is not really a vigilance promotor.

I find in general that psychedelics generally enhance memory and retention of the experiences they produce. Of course there are clearly exceptions to this rule, but they usually involve high doses and/or overly-intense/traumatic experiences.

What's interesting to me about 2C-D is that it seems to lack a strong signature. I have never felt it to be emotionally pushy and it doesn't tend to induce confusion. I also have found its temperament to be quite balanced. Under its influence, I usually feel full of energy, yet I never feel overstimulated or nervous per se. It is perhaps the most mentally lucid psychedelic I've tasted. It also seems to possess other unique mental properties that I can't quite describe.

I attempted computer programming under the influence of 2C-D on many occasions. Overall, I didn't find it to be of particular use in this application. I did enjoy 2C-D + Cannabis when visualizing program structure and such before I actually do the code writing. Playing of musical instruments under 2C-D, on the other hand, has proven to be very enjoyable and I feel that this area has much more promise.

Anyway, I think I have identified one important variable involved in assessing any "smart-drug" properties this chemical may have to offer. I think psycho-stimulants may be the key to getting the most out of 2C-D's unique pharmacology. I've read at least one report of 2C-D and amphetamines that was very positive, although, another report (on here I think) suggests that it was maybe too pushy and caused a bad headache.

Caffeine should work pretty well if one is not overly tolerant to it. Amphetamines or Caffeine may also not be the best choice. The noradrenal/dopaminal reuptake inhibitors I think might be best as they seem much less pushy (at reasonable dosages). Ritalin might be a good choice. Stratera might work even better, or not, etc...

If you want to try it, I suggest keeping the Adderal dose pretty low. I think a little may go a long way.
 
mix of 2cI and 2cd, 50/50. very pleasant but three day hang over. Insight; excellent concerning long time abuse history. highly recommended for theraputic work.
 
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Very interesting thread.

Nice to see research being done on these compounds and not just seeing them in "ecstasy" tablets or used to get poly-drugginated. :p
 
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