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2C-D - No Talking This Time - Very Experienced

Morninggloryseed

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12/16/2006
50 milligrams of 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylphenethylamine


Prologue:

Forgive me in advance dedicated readers for the brevity in this report, and lack of juicy details. There was not much to say about this experience, but as it has been many years since I have submitted a new report, I wanted to ‘check back in’ with you all after so much time.

My situation in life has significantly changed since previous writings. You see, for almost half of my life I have flirted with opiates, and since the end of 2002 I have been battling severe opiate addiction. Finally at the end of summer 2006 I sought medical treatment, and I am currently being maintained on buprenorphine (Suboxone) with the eventual goal of being opiate free.

During this time I have largely been avoiding psychedelics. In 2005 I had only two minor experiences; two +2 level trips...one 2C-C and one with mushrooms. And this summer (2006) I embarked on a wonderful 2C-B voyage during the Rainbow Gathering in Steamboat Springs, Colorado with my love and partner Winding Wines, a second 2C-B experience at Six Flags (an amusement park) with my cousin, and a 2C-D experience in September at a friend’s beautiful mountain home.

Now it is winter, and I generally do not like to trip in cold weather. However I was on vacation last week visiting my folks, and old friends in the Midwest where I grew up, and I really wanted to take a psychedelic with my best friend B (who I seldom see) sometime during my visit. After debating between 2C-D, psilacetin, 5-MeO-MiPT, and 2C-T-21…we chose 2C-D.

Usually under the influence of a psychedelic, I usually go inward and do not tend to be chatty. Socializing was never an activity I associated with tripping, even with the entactogens like MDMA and methylone. So I was pleasantly surprised and when I first tried 2C-D; very amazed by the ‘social nature’ I perceived with this material. With my first 2C-D experience, I took 40mg with an old friend (he took the same), and we spent the evening talking about everything and anything imaginable. There was almost an empathetic nature with it (i.e. like MDMA), but also with a sharp sense of mental clarity and psychedelic insight. I’ve subsequently always spoken of 2C-D as suitable for socialization, and deep insight, with friends or a partner.

This ‘socialization’ aspect was one of the main factors I considered when recommending 2C-D to my friend. We planned to spend the evening under the spell of a psychedelic, recording music, and catching up. I figured the social nature of the drug, combined with its short duration, would be perfect for a nice evening of music production, good conversation, and a general good time.


The Experience:

For this evening, I chose to take 50mg and my friend (who is usually hit very strongly by psychedelics) chose the more conservative dosage of 30mg. So 100mg of 2C-D hcl (accurately measured on a milligram-sensitive scale) was dissolved into 10ml of water, and dosages were measured out with a syringe. The solution was added to Gatorade and neither of us detected any taste.

Because of my friend’s work schedule, we did not start the experiment until 2:30am. Normally I never start this late, but it was my last full day in town. I was very tired, having had little sleep the night prior. But I did not think my lack of sleep would really influence the evening. I remembered back when I was a teen taking countless LSD voyages after long days at work, or school, and I always had wonderful experiences. Things did not turn out as planned.

We dosed, and smoked a bit of pot. As usual, 2C-D came on very quickly and within 20 minutes both of us were at a +2. Unlike my previous 2C-D experiences, I seemed to be hit very hard mentally (prior experiences were very ‘clear-headed’ - this was more along the lines of LSD-like confusion.) It made me very uncomfortable because I felt somewhat obligated to make conversation with my friend and be social. But I was being hit far too hard to make any kind of talk with him.

I asked my friend if he would be ok alone for a while, as I wanted to retreat to the shower. I find sitting in the shower during the come-up phase of a trip very comforting. While in the shower, I basically studied my mental state...by now a strong +3. For some reason, there was little OEV (usually 2C-D is fairly visual) but I had powerful CEVs that would meld into a dream-like state....sometimes OBE.

I would think of something, and soon found myself wherever I was thinking about. For instance, earlier in the day I had seen a special on Hitler. So I started thinking about the Nazi regime and ww2. It would get very deep...to the point of me thinking I was watching it in front of my eyes, forgetting I was tripping in the shower…so absorbed into my thoughts I was.

I really enjoyed this alone time, as well as the warmth of the shower. But all the while I thought about my friend (he tends to wig alone sometimes) and felt the need to see how he was...getting out after about 20 minutes. He was ok, fine actually…and was playing guitar along with a Pink Floyd recording.

We both felt some pot was in order, and the marijuana did what it is good at - greatly intensifying the psychedelic state. But for me, that also meant I felt even more separated from my friend. He kept talking to me, but I could barely respond.

Again felt the need to retreat, and found myself outside starring at the sky. Finally, I felt better. I realized how claustrophobic psychedelics make me feel indoors. I’ve been a strong advocate of tripping outdoors ever since I moved to Colorado. But I figured I’d be fine with 2C-D as I knew it well and it was a shortie…but that was not the case.

I went back in after some time and tried to socialize, but by this time my friend was thoroughly absorbed in the guitar and I had to again retreat outside…as the music he was playing far too chaotic for me to relax, and I became very anxious.

Once outside I felt great and chose to stay there for most of the peak. I can't say I was getting any deep insights, nor was I thinking about anything in particular…I just enjoying the warm air (it was an unusual warm night in the winter-time Midwest), beautiful sky, and pleasant warm body-buzz that 2C-D provides for me.

I stayed outside for an hour or so, and I finally started to come down and then was quite hungry. This was about at about the four-hour point, and my friend went to bed. I took a sedative to relax, and sleep for me came about six hours after ingestion.


Epilogue:

All in all, it was not one of my best trips. There were many thought-loops I'd get stuck in, and also some generalized anxiety. In addition, I was just never able to have any conversations with B as planned. I think the primary factor was that I was just plain exhausted. I was only in town for six days, and my family had made so many plans with me, that I was fairly beat for much of my vacation. Especially this night.

Further, I took almost twice as much as my friend, and was far more blown away than he was. I also have to remember my age...it is not that I feel ‘old’ at 30, but it is unrealistic for me to assume I can have a positive psychedelic experience while I am sleep deprived...just because I could when I was 17.

My friend B greatly enjoyed his experience, though he felt he could have taken a bit more than 30mg. His prior phenethylamine experiences are with MDA, 2C-B, 2C-I, and 2C-T-7, and this one is probably a new favorite for him. He found it clear, easy, but extremely deep in an LSD-like way.

The one really important thing I took back from the experience was the realization that I do not need to consume opium/other opiates in order to survive a psychedelic experience. In the first year after I became physically addicted to opiates I had tried a medium dose (30mg) of 2C-C, during a weekend with my girlfriend. What was normally a relaxing, almost sedating psychedelic was instead rendered to one that produced a chaotic and anxiety-ridden experience.

I actually went into severe opiate withdrawal and to survive, I had to opiate myself. I was trying to not use opiates around my partner that weekend, so it was an unpleasant thing to have to go back on my word. Even worse, she started feeding off my vibes and felt the same anxiety and pain that I did. It ended up leaving a huge psychological scar. Subsequently, I always made sure to take a good dose of an opiate before I took a psychedelic.

After going on the buprenorphine I feared I may never trip again. As illogical as this may seem, I was frightened that the buprenorphine would somehow not work, and I would go into withdrawal like I did on that 2C-C experience. Thankfully this was not the case during this latest experience.

As insignificant as all of this may seem, it is very important that I now know I can indeed take a psychedelic without having to ‘cheat’ myself by going off the buprenorphine, and using a euphoric opiate beforehand. This is a major step for me on my road to recovery…not just because I know I don’t need to take opium to trip…but because it is one more of life’s wonderful experiences that I now realize I can enjoy again, without opiates.

After years of convincing myself that I could not and would not live without opiates, discoveries like this are actually monumental occurrences for me. I am basically rewriting my view of life; slowly realizing that I will not be an opiate addict for life, and slowly realizing that eventually my slavery to that class of drugs will come to an end.

As for my feelings on 2C-D...they are the same. It is a fantastic, deep, pure psychedelic experience. Pleasantly short, yet meaningful. An all-around great ally in my book. Although this particular occasion was not the best experience I've had, certainly not the most fun...in the end it still proved to be valuable. And that is what counts the most.

MGS
 
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That was a beautiful report, MGS. I don't know what else to say at the moment, but congratulations, and good for you and all that stuff!! :)
 
MGS, terrific report. It really made me think about my own situation with opiates. I have the same problem as you, and Im having serious problems with it, and I really dont know what to do. The fact that I cant seem to keep a steady supply has been affecting my school work. It seems like Im stuck waiting for more poppies, going into withdrawl when I have a test coming up. Im really hoping to go through WD this winter break so I can be opiate free this semester ( a very important one for me) , but its so fucking hard, I dont know whether to just quit or try and slowly quit. I have been thinking Im gonna be on opiates, battling my whole life. But lately and after reading this I realize I just need to do it.

As for Psychedelics, I find my self craving opiates when Im tripping, because of the anxiety. Especially on the comeup, and a little on the comedown. I must say they do help take the anxious edge off. But Im in the same boat as you, but I can usually trip with out the opiates, but its hard.

Opiate addiction is hell though, and I definately feel for you, and hope you get out of it, as well as I! As church said, beautiful words you have said. Hopefully we can juts beat this stuff.
 
Great report MGS :) Make sure that this experience sticks in your mind so you can learn from it, as I am sure you are well aware.

I have found lack of sleep will greatly increase anxiety if you are tripping. I learned this the hard way with mushrooms and was plumitted into a 7 hour emotional rollercoaster. I think that it is important for both the mind and the body to be healthy in order to have a relaxing trip. It is good to hear you were able to calm yourself down and not let the trip get on top of you.
 
I think 2C-D is a good drug for having significant epiphanies without an overwhelming mindstate. My second experience, with a mere 26mg, was one of the best psychedelic experiences I've ever had. I was granted a wonderful chance to look into a mirror and see myself as a stranger truly would, with no preconceptions, and I actually liked what I saw just fine. I thought of the analogy of trying to look at one's self in the mirror to judge whether such-and-such item of clothing or hair looked ok, and how one consistently fails to be able to do so objectively, well in this case I could see myeslf with total detachment but also with love, and it was rather amazing.

*edit* after reading your edit I realized I wanted to add that a subsequent experience several months later with this drug at 40mg (a significant increase) produced a very pleasant experience of just about the same psychedelic intensity as the 26mg trial (maybe a touch stronger), but without such a fascinating moment of useful insight. Quite a different dose-response curve than I've experienced with any other 2C- type thing. I'm not sure what to make of all that, except to hoard carefully my 2C-D vial.
 
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Edit...I wrote it in a rush and just made it far more clear and readable. Thanks for the nice words guys.

Beenhead, feel free to IM me if you ever want to talk about things. I am always happy to lend encouraging words. If I can do what I did, anyone can.
 
MGS, I'm really happy for you man. Sounds like you're winning the battle ... keep on fighting. ;)

Opiates are like the antithesis of psychedelics in my mind. One drug can help you live a fuller, richer life and the other makes life more dull and your mind more numb. Despite this, it seems like many people accidentally equate the two since they're both illegal drugs. It's a shame, and I'm sorry you got sucked into the trap. I think it's largely a result of our county's ridiculous drug education programs ... you never learn shit. They probably have more of the opposite effect, since a lot of people will eventually figure out they were being fed bullshit as a kid. Anyway, I'm happy to hear that your doing well MGS.
 
Nice to see something fresh from the original trip reportin' G

I'm not surprised you took 2C-D over psilacetin because I know you like the stuff (2C-D)... but man, what an inferior substance! The best psychedelics for bonding with people are *always* tryptamines or indoles.... shrooms, LSD, psilacetin. It is much more likely, with these, that you will go through some kind of crazy shared experience and trip off each others vibes. 2C-x are more like a psychedelic intoxication and it really doesn't matter whats going on with the rest of the group.

I was hoping you'd try the psilacetin though so maybe you'll agree pretty much everything else is a waste of time in comparison ;)
 
That is a matter of opinion my friend. :) I often find the tryptamines cold, distant, and confusing (except for iprocin.) I really do dislike mushrooms (so glad to hear psilacetin is not like them) and LSD is far too long.

All of the tryptamines that I have tried fall very short on the warmth/empathy department....none of them can come close to producing what MDMA, 2C-T-7, etc produce. And I've had plenty of shared experiences/telepathy with 2C-T-7 and 2C-E.

Remember, I've had mushrooms and LSD too! Same ones you have had...and they are not superior in my book, it is all a matter of your opinion.

To hell with the tryptamines and those who think they are better! ;)
 
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Dondante said:
Despite this, it seems like many people accidentally equate the two since they're both illegal drugs. It's a shame, and I'm sorry you got sucked into the trap. I think it's largely a result of our county's ridiculous drug education programs ... you never learn shit.

I never equated the two, and always realized they were total opposites. I used opiates because they made me feel good. I used psychedelics for very different reasons. Also, I began using opiates far before psychedelics.

Also I was very well 'drug educated' on my own by the time I was 15. I knew full well of the addiction, and I managed to avoid it until very recently in my opiate career. I don't blame anyone but myself.
 
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Yeah, I gotcha. Still ... I feel like marijuana is seen as such a gateway drug because once people smoke it and realize that they didn't instantly turn lazy and retarded, all the other drug education that they've had is thrown out the window. And no drug education ever makes the distinction between opiates/cocaine (severly addictive) and psychedelics (not addictive). Maybe this is not why you ended up taking opiates, but I think it is the reason for many others.

As for 2C-D, I'm going to have to agree with BD ... psilacetin is much better. If anybody thinks otherwise, well, they're wrong. ;)
 
I haven't been on Bluelight for too long and didn't knew about your opiate addiction. It's funny because while reading your posts I always looked at you as the perfect example of what a psychonaut should be. I suppose we are all humans. In any case, it's good to hear you were able to kick the opiate addiction. I have never tried opiates, wanted to when I initially got into drugs, but now I would prefer to never touch them. Good report BTW.
 
To hell with the tryptamines and those who think they are better!

Troops dejectedly and obediently off to hell on MGS instructions ~ each to there own MGS !
I used 2CD at 100mg levels on several occasions and was impressed in a visual sense but it left me frustrated from lack of emotional depth ~ so much so I stopped using it because of the sense of *missing* the very thing I value in psychedelics ~ connection with myself ~ others ~ universe!
 
nice report. good luck on battling opiate addiction. im careful to just play with opiates so as not to the point where i become addicted. seems liek a bitch..

nice 2cd experience. sounds fun. cant wait to have access to any 2c's!
 
zophen said:
Troops dejectedly and obediently off to hell on MGS instructions ~ each to there own MGS !

But you took my words out of context. They were followed by a ;) which was very important. :)

And thanks for the nice words of support fellas.
 
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I always thought it was just I who found 2C-C particularly susceptible to traumatizing people away from psychedelics. It happened to me on NYE 2005/6... a large-ish rectal dose kept me away from any psychedelic for most of the year. Funny you mention withrawal... this trip was taken in that strange period where you think Benzo withdrawal is over but you have no idea if you're right or wrong.

Just a little note though: You are probably aware that the weed did not just intensify the 2C-D, it also intensified the Buprenorphine (even if you're not really aware of it subjectively). Do you think these two extra drugs might have contributed to your inability to socialize? I know that weed + opiates does that to me, at least.

I used to get angry when people wrote a report on a certain drug and did not include weed as an important factor, but more and more I am starting to suspect that for many regular smokers, weed simply constitutes as baseline.

Thanks for the resport. Even though I am more of a Tryptamine person myself, 2C-D is certainly my favourite Phen (well, along with TMA-2 which I found almost identical in effect but longer in duration). I definitely think it is the perfect drug for psychotherapy, better than MDMA or LSD.
 
Great report, MGS! And it hits close to home. I, too, battle an opiate addiction at varying levels, although mine is with kratom (which I feel is much less mind-numbing and "sparkly"). I can see how an experience in which you felt withdrawal could have turned you off to tripping without opiates, but I'm glad you found out that you can trip without them, because I've always found opiatin beforehand or during to reduce the psychedelic aspects of the trip, sometimes significantly. Personally, I've always found a good trip to make it easier to transition to a lower level of opiate use or to provide the push needed to quit (which I've done 5 times, although I've always ended up going back).

But, that could be a special case with kratom, for all I know. After all, mitraynine and related alkaloids actually resemble indole moreso than anything opiate-related, and the high is distinctly different.
 
Jamshyd said:
Just a little note though: You are probably aware that the weed did not just intensify the 2C-D, it also intensified the Buprenorphine (even if you're not really aware of it subjectively). Do you think these two extra drugs might have contributed to your inability to socialize? I know that weed + opiates does that to me, at least.
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Opiates tend to make me very social, warm, and outgoing…even with cannabis. But the bupe does not give me any noticeable opiate-like effects, other than keeping me from being sick. I wasn’t talkative because I was exhausted and was tripping pretty damn hard. Plus, and I really didn’t emphasize this in the report, but my friend was getting on my nerves quite a bit. I hate saying that, but I was just in no position to socialize and he kept badgering me, plus playing his guitar very loud (and annoying) so I really just wanted to be outside where all was quiet. Just goes to show that even when it comes to gentle psychedelics like 2C-D…we must not’t forget that they still control the wheel. Many think they can control the psychedelics they take….but at some point we have to recognize that we are not always in control.

And "B" if you are reading this, I love ya man! I know you were just having fun and I didn't want to reign in on that, so I just kept quiet. I didn't want to tell you, "Hey shut up man you are bothering me" when you were tripping because that would have sucked. :)
 
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