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2C-D - First Time - Heavy Tofu
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2C-X's
Morninggloryseed-
Another fine report. The fact that you suggest it might possibly render 2C-B 'obsolete' is high praise indeed.
I am curious about 2C-D but extremely cautious, as my experience with the 2C-X's has been quite inconsistent and often seems at odds with many of the posted experiences.
The first time I tried 2C-T-7 (37.5 mgs orally), I found it to be quite special, but not especially visual. I felt that 50 would probably have been the sweet spot for me, but never ventured that far, since the second time I sampled the material, though it was from the same vial, I found 22 mgs to be about as much as I could stand, complete with 'psychedelic soup'. Go figure. T7 just seems a bit too unpredictable and I have never done it again.
I found 2C-T-2 to be generally satisfactory, though a bit edgy at the peak of a 20 mg experience.
Everyone waxes euphoric about the gentleness of 2C-C, but I had a rather difficult experience on 35 mgs, though a friend who imbibed the same amount from the same container reported a typical 2C-C experience. A later experiment with 15 mg of 2C-C combined with a 'stacker' (an OTC ephedra pill, added in an attempt to counteract the annoying sedative effects of 2C-C) provided an unexpectedly profound euphoria- a near perfect experience.
On another occasion, I took what was supposed to have been 15 mgs of 2C-I, though it looked suspiciously volumnous for 15 mg. It was measured using a cheap plastic scale, and looked more like 50 mg. It certainly felt like 50 mg. I tripped for approximately 10 hours and it was far too intense to be enjoyed. My experience was more akin to what I might have expected from say, 20 mgs of 2C-E, yet I am confident in my source, and the same batch was enjoyed as 'typical 2C-I' by fellow psychonauts at the same time I dosed.
There is a strange head space that I often find myself in at the peak of a heavy 2C-X experience. It is an extremely interesting but difficult place, in which there always seems to be, at first, what might be described as a sort of 'sci-fi' or 'pseudo-futuristic' atmosphere. This morphs into an increasingly mechanical and strangely 'lifeless' vision of the universe. It's creepy, but fascinating. It similar to that 'Zen-like' experience that may be provoked with high doses of certain tryptamines, but instead of feeling as though you are experiencing some sort of 'mystical unity of being', it's more like someone has raised the curtain up on the Wizard of Oz, revealing the clanging machinery of an utterly mechanical universe. Where high dose tryptamines tend to provide me with a sense that "it's all one, and it's all alive", high dose phenethylamines have on several occcasions provided me with the sense that "yes, it's all one- but none of it is 'really' alive".
But I digress...........
In any event, the 2C-X world always seems to be very unpredictable for me. As such, I approach 2C-D with caution. I certainly would not start with 40 mgs. Rather, I intend to start with perhaps 10 mgs and work my way up, if deemed necessary, over subsequent voyages.
I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks they might share this apparent sensitivity to the 2C-X's......
Morninggloryseed-
Another fine report. The fact that you suggest it might possibly render 2C-B 'obsolete' is high praise indeed.
I am curious about 2C-D but extremely cautious, as my experience with the 2C-X's has been quite inconsistent and often seems at odds with many of the posted experiences.
The first time I tried 2C-T-7 (37.5 mgs orally), I found it to be quite special, but not especially visual. I felt that 50 would probably have been the sweet spot for me, but never ventured that far, since the second time I sampled the material, though it was from the same vial, I found 22 mgs to be about as much as I could stand, complete with 'psychedelic soup'. Go figure. T7 just seems a bit too unpredictable and I have never done it again.
I found 2C-T-2 to be generally satisfactory, though a bit edgy at the peak of a 20 mg experience.
Everyone waxes euphoric about the gentleness of 2C-C, but I had a rather difficult experience on 35 mgs, though a friend who imbibed the same amount from the same container reported a typical 2C-C experience. A later experiment with 15 mg of 2C-C combined with a 'stacker' (an OTC ephedra pill, added in an attempt to counteract the annoying sedative effects of 2C-C) provided an unexpectedly profound euphoria- a near perfect experience.
On another occasion, I took what was supposed to have been 15 mgs of 2C-I, though it looked suspiciously volumnous for 15 mg. It was measured using a cheap plastic scale, and looked more like 50 mg. It certainly felt like 50 mg. I tripped for approximately 10 hours and it was far too intense to be enjoyed. My experience was more akin to what I might have expected from say, 20 mgs of 2C-E, yet I am confident in my source, and the same batch was enjoyed as 'typical 2C-I' by fellow psychonauts at the same time I dosed.
There is a strange head space that I often find myself in at the peak of a heavy 2C-X experience. It is an extremely interesting but difficult place, in which there always seems to be, at first, what might be described as a sort of 'sci-fi' or 'pseudo-futuristic' atmosphere. This morphs into an increasingly mechanical and strangely 'lifeless' vision of the universe. It's creepy, but fascinating. It similar to that 'Zen-like' experience that may be provoked with high doses of certain tryptamines, but instead of feeling as though you are experiencing some sort of 'mystical unity of being', it's more like someone has raised the curtain up on the Wizard of Oz, revealing the clanging machinery of an utterly mechanical universe. Where high dose tryptamines tend to provide me with a sense that "it's all one, and it's all alive", high dose phenethylamines have on several occcasions provided me with the sense that "yes, it's all one- but none of it is 'really' alive".
But I digress...........
In any event, the 2C-X world always seems to be very unpredictable for me. As such, I approach 2C-D with caution. I certainly would not start with 40 mgs. Rather, I intend to start with perhaps 10 mgs and work my way up, if deemed necessary, over subsequent voyages.
I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks they might share this apparent sensitivity to the 2C-X's......
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Re: 2C-X's
Thank you so much for the kind words. I very much appreciate them.
The 2C-X world isn't just inconsistent for you. Inconsistency seems to be about the only consistent property of the 2Cs! Even with the inconsistency of dosage and effects experienced by those who try members of the 2C series; set and setting have just as much an influence as the dosage with a psychedelic trip. So I really can't make any informed guesses as to why your experiences were as they were without knowing more.
As far as any apparent sensitivity to the 2Cs, barring 2C-B and 2C-T-7, I seem to be very sensitive to the 2Cs I've tried (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-4, and 2C-T-7) and generally require very small dosages to get a full plus-three. Just 16mg of 2C-E had the same potency of 250ug of LSD. For some reason though, it takes me at least 24mg of 2C-B to really trip hard. And I need 35mg or more to really trip hard on 2C-T-7.
But I've never experienced variable effects from the same dosage of a phenethylamine. The only psychedelics I've taken which had very inconsistent effects at the same or similar dosages were ethocin and iprocin.
I have always taken around 16mg of ethocin. Yet at the 16mg level I've had gentle, mellow plus-two trips; as well as powerful, ass-kicking plus-three level trips. In fact I have three trip reports on ethocin at Erowid and I believe that are with 16mg. Yet one of those trips was a fairly mild and unmemorable plus-two, another was an ass-kicking plus-three that really shook me up for some time, and the third was somewhere between the others as far as strength. In my opinion, it was both set and setting that influenced these differences/inconsistencies with the dosage. All trips were from the same batch. I know my scale is accurate, and the drug was tested with GC/MS analysis and shown to be very pure.
With iprocin it is even a little weirder. I've taken 24mg and had blissful, spiritual, out-of-body trips of such beauty and power. Then another time, I took just 14mg and this dosage kicked my ass in a very unpleasant way and was every bit as powerful as my >20mg trips. I know that set was the issue here, as I was experiencing some difficult personal issues at the time. Also, iprocin usually hits me strong within one-hour and I peak shortly after. Effects last four-hours or so at most. But at the highest dosage I've yet taken (26mg), I felt a tiny bit in twenty-minutes but the real effects did not even begin until about 1 1/2 hours after I took it. The peak was not experienced until the three-hour point and it did not really end until about the eight-hour. I had little food in my stomach (I think I ate an apple) so that was not an issue. And again, this was all from the same batch. And I use a very accurate scale and weighing techniques.
So I don't know if I was any help but weird inconsistencies in dosages/effects are not uncommon with psychedelics. I think some of it is the nature of the drug. But I also believe a lot has to do with set and setting; and even things like what you had for breakfast and your current "body chemistry" for the day. All of these factor in to what happens in the end.
While I started with 40mg of 2C-D after consulting with a few folks I've tripped with and whom we seem to share similar reactions to psychedelics, as well as the fact that there were time constraints pending if I wanted to trip with "J"...starting low (like at 10mg) is the smartest thing one can do. I applaud your caution and lack of the need to "rush into" such things.
Oh, I didn't say 2C-D made 2C-B obsolete. I said it might make it obsolete. I've had 2C-B at least a half-dozen times while I had 2C-D once. So I should have more 2C-D experiences before I make any real conclusions. But so far, I really love this one.
Good luck with any experiments and keep us informed.
MGS
Cogito said:
Thank you so much for the kind words. I very much appreciate them.
The 2C-X world isn't just inconsistent for you. Inconsistency seems to be about the only consistent property of the 2Cs! Even with the inconsistency of dosage and effects experienced by those who try members of the 2C series; set and setting have just as much an influence as the dosage with a psychedelic trip. So I really can't make any informed guesses as to why your experiences were as they were without knowing more.
As far as any apparent sensitivity to the 2Cs, barring 2C-B and 2C-T-7, I seem to be very sensitive to the 2Cs I've tried (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-4, and 2C-T-7) and generally require very small dosages to get a full plus-three. Just 16mg of 2C-E had the same potency of 250ug of LSD. For some reason though, it takes me at least 24mg of 2C-B to really trip hard. And I need 35mg or more to really trip hard on 2C-T-7.
But I've never experienced variable effects from the same dosage of a phenethylamine. The only psychedelics I've taken which had very inconsistent effects at the same or similar dosages were ethocin and iprocin.
I have always taken around 16mg of ethocin. Yet at the 16mg level I've had gentle, mellow plus-two trips; as well as powerful, ass-kicking plus-three level trips. In fact I have three trip reports on ethocin at Erowid and I believe that are with 16mg. Yet one of those trips was a fairly mild and unmemorable plus-two, another was an ass-kicking plus-three that really shook me up for some time, and the third was somewhere between the others as far as strength. In my opinion, it was both set and setting that influenced these differences/inconsistencies with the dosage. All trips were from the same batch. I know my scale is accurate, and the drug was tested with GC/MS analysis and shown to be very pure.
With iprocin it is even a little weirder. I've taken 24mg and had blissful, spiritual, out-of-body trips of such beauty and power. Then another time, I took just 14mg and this dosage kicked my ass in a very unpleasant way and was every bit as powerful as my >20mg trips. I know that set was the issue here, as I was experiencing some difficult personal issues at the time. Also, iprocin usually hits me strong within one-hour and I peak shortly after. Effects last four-hours or so at most. But at the highest dosage I've yet taken (26mg), I felt a tiny bit in twenty-minutes but the real effects did not even begin until about 1 1/2 hours after I took it. The peak was not experienced until the three-hour point and it did not really end until about the eight-hour. I had little food in my stomach (I think I ate an apple) so that was not an issue. And again, this was all from the same batch. And I use a very accurate scale and weighing techniques.
So I don't know if I was any help but weird inconsistencies in dosages/effects are not uncommon with psychedelics. I think some of it is the nature of the drug. But I also believe a lot has to do with set and setting; and even things like what you had for breakfast and your current "body chemistry" for the day. All of these factor in to what happens in the end.
While I started with 40mg of 2C-D after consulting with a few folks I've tripped with and whom we seem to share similar reactions to psychedelics, as well as the fact that there were time constraints pending if I wanted to trip with "J"...starting low (like at 10mg) is the smartest thing one can do. I applaud your caution and lack of the need to "rush into" such things.
Oh, I didn't say 2C-D made 2C-B obsolete. I said it might make it obsolete. I've had 2C-B at least a half-dozen times while I had 2C-D once. So I should have more 2C-D experiences before I make any real conclusions. But so far, I really love this one.
Good luck with any experiments and keep us informed.
MGS
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*TM-321*
Bluelighter
I noticed you had mentioned getting headaches on 2c-i. I got monster migraines after coming down from both 2c-i and 2c-t-21. Despite this I fully enjoyed both experiences and I would love to keep a 2c-x in my 'toolkit'.
So did you experience any of the headache symptoms from this one?
So did you experience any of the headache symptoms from this one?
*TM-321*
Bluelighter
Please explain a little more about why you feel it has efficacy as a 'smart drug'?
TheMMT
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rprp said:
To the contrary, it is not a 'smart drug' nor has any science every even supposed it to be true. Other than one erowid report which reads like an advertisement for the stuff, I have never seen any reference to actual smart-drug effects (compared to actual nootropics, hydergine, piracetam, deprenyl, etc).
Since YOU are the one asserting smart drug potential, the onus is on YOU to prove it - not for anyone else to disprove it
Please provide some insight into your statement.
I'm not a salesman, so actually I don't have to prove anything. I'm actually kind of happy with my existance 
That being said, in the interest of science and shared experiences this is how I would catagorize it:
Ever get that feeling when you sort of step out of your normal perception and things are slightly off center and you can take a good look at yourself? Sort of like the insight effect of may pyschadellics (although that can be an experience which is much more "off center").
2c-d is a substance, where long before it makes you "high", it places you a few degrees off your center point and lets you tackle problems with a slightly different reference point.
Much like putting down a problem, taking a breather, and tackling it from a new direction, 2c-d (IMO) gives you that new direction and as such, I find reading, writing, and art extremely rewarding under the substance.
There's a study you can read about it being used in a clinical trial somewhere or other -- austria I think. Up to you to find it.
If what I just said piques interest, I'll give some specific examples from my personal trip report diary.
That being said, in the interest of science and shared experiences this is how I would catagorize it:
Ever get that feeling when you sort of step out of your normal perception and things are slightly off center and you can take a good look at yourself? Sort of like the insight effect of may pyschadellics (although that can be an experience which is much more "off center").
2c-d is a substance, where long before it makes you "high", it places you a few degrees off your center point and lets you tackle problems with a slightly different reference point.
Much like putting down a problem, taking a breather, and tackling it from a new direction, 2c-d (IMO) gives you that new direction and as such, I find reading, writing, and art extremely rewarding under the substance.
There's a study you can read about it being used in a clinical trial somewhere or other -- austria I think. Up to you to find it.
If what I just said piques interest, I'll give some specific examples from my personal trip report diary.
Oh, and as a side note, if it counts towards my credibility, SWIM has tried every easilly synth'd P aside from 2c-n and 2c-t-4 (next up). I consider myself hyper aware of the effects of thse substances on my sysem.
In my experience, the following are tools I have found useful. If you don't agree with this than maybe you should ignore me
Good:
2c-d
2c-t-2
2c-c
2c-t-7
Bad (pleasurable, but not useful):
IAP
Methylone
MDBD
2c-t-21 (yuck)
2c-i (higher doses)
Individual results may vary
In my experience, the following are tools I have found useful. If you don't agree with this than maybe you should ignore me
Good:
2c-d
2c-t-2
2c-c
2c-t-7
Bad (pleasurable, but not useful):
IAP
Methylone
MDBD
2c-t-21 (yuck)
2c-i (higher doses)
Individual results may vary
kinetic
Bluelighter
what about 2C-E? and I personally think that Methylone is a beautiful chemical, much more useful than MDMA.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
*TM-321* said:
No, none at all. As I said in the report, it only had minor side-effects. There was some mild nausea in the beginning and also some stimulation, which I'd guess some would consider a desirable effect.
It wasn't a really "fun" psychedelic. There was no cosmic ecstacy that I get with 2C-B, 2C-T-7, iprocin, LSD, MDA, MDMA, 5-MeO-DMT, methylone and maybe a few others. It probably would not appeal to either consumer or dealer as a recreational drug. But for those that seek more than amusement (or money) out of such materials, it is (for me) a great intellectual stimulator and insightful tool. And it even had some cool visuals. I was rather surprised as I expected it to be a dud.
Conclusion:
So far, what I can tell from my one trial is that 2C-D is excellent matetial for those who looking for an intellectual and perceptual enhancer with little (no price in my case) to pay for getting there. Pity it was so short of a trip.
I'd have to ditto this one. Both methylone and 2C-E are (for me) high up on my lists. Methylone is very useful, but also very set and setting dependant. I thought it was a dud too until I took it in the desert on some very holy land. Had a classic plus-four.
And 2C-E. What can I say? Shulgin said it best when he commented, "Let is rest as being a difficult and worth-while material. A very much worth-while material."
2C-E is so complex that it is impossible to describe, more than the others anyway.
Meo_dmster
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^^ I agree completely. A couple hours ago I took 10mg for the first time and have had good evening of studying. Its not quite like studying on ADD meds, but it is helping to keep me interested in the subject matter(all math and physics based) as well as improving my comprehesion. I'll write up a full report when I get a chance, but 2c-d has definatly surprised me a good way.
AdInfinitum
Bluelighter
I am a BIG fan of 2C-D, from the two experiences I've had so far...
The first was at 45mg, orally. I went to a concert that I was somewhat *dragged* to by my gf, and figured it would be a decent time to get acquainted with this compound. My intentions were simply to make the evening a bit more interesting, and did I EVER get exactly that. After about an hour, I was overcome by some mild and pleasant euphoria as well as gentle perceptual 'shifts'. After about the 1.5-2 hour mark, some VERY interesting visuals began to surface, as well as some very manageable psychological depth. The word that kept coming to mind during the experience was 'handy' - as this just seemed to sum up 2C-D's effects so well for me. It was never intrusive or intense. It was long enough to cover the duration of the outing and short enough to get me into bed by T +5. It was deep enough to make me genuinly interested without 'kicking my ass' in any way.
I (just 2 days ago) tried a reletively small dose of 2C-D (12mg) orally, just to see where it would get me. I was pleasantly surprised. I was not at all overstimulated, but I was MUCH more interested in everything that I was doing, even though I wasn't doing much at all. My visual field opened up nicely, my thoughts were clear and insightful, and my general mood was elevated in a mild yet sincere way. This sort of dosage of 2C-D was VERY mild for me, but worthwhile nonetheless. I'm planning on experimenting in the 20-25mg range very soon.
I find this material to be excellent - I'm a big fan already. I'll post any additional comments on future experiments as they occur.
Best,
...Ad
The first was at 45mg, orally. I went to a concert that I was somewhat *dragged* to by my gf, and figured it would be a decent time to get acquainted with this compound. My intentions were simply to make the evening a bit more interesting, and did I EVER get exactly that. After about an hour, I was overcome by some mild and pleasant euphoria as well as gentle perceptual 'shifts'. After about the 1.5-2 hour mark, some VERY interesting visuals began to surface, as well as some very manageable psychological depth. The word that kept coming to mind during the experience was 'handy' - as this just seemed to sum up 2C-D's effects so well for me. It was never intrusive or intense. It was long enough to cover the duration of the outing and short enough to get me into bed by T +5. It was deep enough to make me genuinly interested without 'kicking my ass' in any way.
I (just 2 days ago) tried a reletively small dose of 2C-D (12mg) orally, just to see where it would get me. I was pleasantly surprised. I was not at all overstimulated, but I was MUCH more interested in everything that I was doing, even though I wasn't doing much at all. My visual field opened up nicely, my thoughts were clear and insightful, and my general mood was elevated in a mild yet sincere way. This sort of dosage of 2C-D was VERY mild for me, but worthwhile nonetheless. I'm planning on experimenting in the 20-25mg range very soon.
I find this material to be excellent - I'm a big fan already. I'll post any additional comments on future experiments as they occur.
Best,
...Ad
Splatt
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Magic report! Enjoyed the read as always
Does anyone find 2C-D to be a chemical where less is more, after their initial break through? For example.. if you take 45mg or 50mg or something, trip pretty damn nicely.. Then a few weeks later try 20-30mg or even a bit less?? And get an experience simular since you have kind of "learnt" the drug a bit? I have found this with some Phens thats all.
Btw, about 2C-I and headaches, 2C-I is one of the smoothest chemicals I've ever had, no side effects, even after some abuse that was pretty stupid/far out. I never got a headache from it, but I always smoked pot on the trip (which kills any nausea u may get(which i dont really get in 2ci anyway), and also normally adds quite a bit more to the experience, mindstate and visually).. And pot kills headaches for me.. SO i don't know if I ever did get one.
Does anyone find 2C-D to be a chemical where less is more, after their initial break through? For example.. if you take 45mg or 50mg or something, trip pretty damn nicely.. Then a few weeks later try 20-30mg or even a bit less?? And get an experience simular since you have kind of "learnt" the drug a bit? I have found this with some Phens thats all.
Btw, about 2C-I and headaches, 2C-I is one of the smoothest chemicals I've ever had, no side effects, even after some abuse that was pretty stupid/far out. I never got a headache from it, but I always smoked pot on the trip (which kills any nausea u may get(which i dont really get in 2ci anyway), and also normally adds quite a bit more to the experience, mindstate and visually).. And pot kills headaches for me.. SO i don't know if I ever did get one.
Morninggloryseed
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Splatt said:Magic report! Enjoyed the read as always
Does anyone find 2C-D to be a chemical where less is more, after their initial break through? For example.. if you take 45mg or 50mg or something, trip pretty damn nicely.. Then a few weeks later try 20-30mg or even a bit less?? And get an experience simular since you have kind of "learnt" the drug a bit? I have found this with some Phens thats all.
Btw, about 2C-I and headaches, 2C-I is one of the smoothest chemicals I've ever had, no side effects, even after some abuse that was pretty stupid/far out. I never got a headache from it, but I always smoked pot on the trip (which kills any nausea u may get(which i dont really get in 2ci anyway), and also normally adds quite a bit more to the experience, mindstate and visually).. And pot kills headaches for me.. SO i don't know if I ever did get one.
Thanks for the nice words. I've only done 2C-D the one time, but I know exactly what you mean about the "learning thing" as I generally take smaller dosages of any particular psychedelics the more I work with it.
As for the pot...I'm a pot head and never trip without it. But I still got horrible headaches with 2C-I.
Splatt
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It just came to my head.. I respect your patience man ;-)
I am just too excitied too hold back sometimes to delve into a new psychedelic world. SOmetimes even smoking pot during the day gets my thought process going enough to want to explore certain subjects more, and that eggs me on to take a psychedelic.
Do you practise meditation.. breathing, mantras or anything better etc.. ? I wanna delve on certain subjects that pop into my head all the time. but my psychedelic use is too high. ;-)
And about 2C-I.. I have noticed how different it can be to people. One guy had less than 10mg, and in a social setting, had what he called "An Introspective Nightmare". I should get him to report it But yeah back onto topic... 2C-D does sound like a special material. I know we know fuck all about pretty much every RC, but pharmalogically, do you think this would be as safe as MDMA or more safe? I am no chemist, but I always hear people saying how some 2C's or other phenethylamines (pma, meth) and tryptamines (*amt) are toxic because of their structure/placements?
I am just too excitied too hold back sometimes to delve into a new psychedelic world. SOmetimes even smoking pot during the day gets my thought process going enough to want to explore certain subjects more, and that eggs me on to take a psychedelic.
Do you practise meditation.. breathing, mantras or anything better etc.. ? I wanna delve on certain subjects that pop into my head all the time. but my psychedelic use is too high. ;-)
And about 2C-I.. I have noticed how different it can be to people. One guy had less than 10mg, and in a social setting, had what he called "An Introspective Nightmare". I should get him to report it
But yeah back onto topic... 2C-D does sound like a special material. I know we know fuck all about pretty much every RC, but pharmalogically, do you think this would be as safe as MDMA or more safe? I am no chemist, but I always hear people saying how some 2C's or other phenethylamines (pma, meth) and tryptamines (*amt) are toxic because of their structure/placements?
lysergication
Bluelighter
another thing i'd like to ask to mgs : i am under the impression that 2c-x drugs must have (too) much similarities between them (like they will be too close in their chemical structures) to really have to feeling to discover something when you've taken one of these material...but i've only tried the 2c-i so it's surely a stupid impression.
in fact i need that somebody who has tried some differents 2c-x say to me "no, they aren't all the same things you'll be not be disapointed" and i know you can feel like you'll give me the "permission" to me to experience these compounds... but in fact i'm not really interested in these products (aside 2c-e that seem like 2c-i but more deep) since i've this impression it will be worthless. So i just wouls like to have your opinion... (even if i know in advance that you'll say to me that they are really differents compounds )
in fact i need that somebody who has tried some differents 2c-x say to me "no, they aren't all the same things you'll be not be disapointed" and i know you can feel like you'll give me the "permission" to me to experience these compounds... but in fact i'm not really interested in these products (aside 2c-e that seem like 2c-i but more deep) since i've this impression it will be worthless. So i just wouls like to have your opinion... (even if i know in advance that you'll say to me that they are really differents compounds
)
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Splatt said:
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It's not easy. Ironically (and sadly) enough, I do have an addictive personality, but have never had a problem controlling my use of indole and phenethylamine psychedelics. I never really believed it until BL got really popular, and more and more "subcultures" started posting in greater numbers...but some people really do seem to exibit addictive behaviors with things like the 2Cs and other psychedelics. I guess there really were acid heads that took it every day that I always heard about. I thought I was "way out" when I was dosing LSD or mushrooms every weekend. I can't fathom binging on 2C-I for days at a time, but taking 50mg twice a night, three times a week, and then writing a post at bluelight asking "why I feel a tolerance to 2C-I" is the fad of the week it seems. So many are. I would have just dismissed such a thing as an isolated incident. But I've seen more than one post about such behavior. And for every one who posts, I'm sure five or more people are represented. Roughly, but I'm obviously pulling that out of my ass. While completely unscientific and far from a true representation of any particular group of people, BL and other boards are great tools for looking at subcultures and their habits.But anyway, I've been waiting so long for warmer weather to come to try out new compounds "buring a hole in my pocket." 2C-N, 2C-P, 2C-T-21, 5-MeO-alpha-ET, 5-MeO-DET, 5-MeO-DPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, MiPT (vaporized, not orally), PMEA, and prolly one or two I'm missing, are all on the list for the summer to be tasted. Sadly I doubt I'll get to try each more than once, but I'll at least have some impression of what they do.
I also want to revisit 2C-E and 2C-T-4, but take them at much lower dosages than I did before. 2C-T-4 was only taken once, and the dose (18mg) was way to high for me to make any sense of it all, if that makes any sense.
I was just floored. I feel at a lower level I can get a good feeling if 2C-T-4 is worth messing around with. For me anyway.I've had 2C-E three times and I know that one is worthwhile, but all experience were with (for me) extreme dosages. I'd like to try a level where I can take a hike and really enjoy it. I did take a long walk the first time (at 16mg) but it was a heavily-traveled bike path and I was tripping so hard, I felt it best to just walk instead of stopping to smell the roses. That's why I like the mountains better; you don't see people if you know where to go.
I've learned in my almost 14 years of tripping that these things are best experienced at the right time and in the right place. So I wait for when it's right. If it's something like 2C-P that I'm only gonna take once or twice, no matter how good it is (because of the 16-hour part), then I want it to be as good a time as possible. And I know I would not enjoy it sitting in my apartment, restless, looking only at my walls wishing I was outside in the warm mountain sun. My chances for having a trip to remember are much higher if I save it for summer and take it in the endless wilderness of my backyard...the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains. You go to one of the many National Forests, you can camp anywhere and basically do anything. So that's how/why I wait.
Plus, I did my "heavy" psychedelic use when I was a teen. Although "heavy" is defined differently by different people I guess. I don't see any use in tripping every weekend now and I did that when I was 17 and it lasted nearly a year. I'm just glad I did it with safe-as-milk Delysid and mushrooms, and not something like 2C-I. Something where no one knows what it could do for those who do more than just "try it once or twice."
Well cannabis is a psychedelic too, so no surprise. I get so tripped out on it, I ramble on like a mad fool as my mind goes from one topic to another, making the strangest associations. Just like this post (I just exhaled.
) It seems the older I get, the more cannabis effects me. I used to smoke and drive and be a typic idiot teen. I can't even think of that now. I hate driving stoned now and avoid it at all costs.Not really.
I'd love some formal instructions on meditation though. I know I need to learn to meditate, practice, and learn to control. Not just so I can "expand my mind" without psychedelics, but because I believe many of my problems with stress and dealing with the surprises life bring can be controlled if I became really proficient at controlling my body with my mind. Or learning how to relax without lighting a bowl of cannabis. I do use some basic breathing excercises to help me sleep, and to help me calm down during difficult trips. Other than that...no. I can't say I do any kind of meditation. Actually I really want to learn Yoga, and learn to relax without having to use cannabis or worse things.And about 2C-I.. I have noticed how different it can be to people. One guy had less than 10mg, and in a social setting, had what he called "An Introspective Nightmare". I should get him to report it
If I'd not seen it with my own eyes, that is years ago when my best friend was wigging out on just 8mg of 2C-I, I never would have believed it. This was 2C-I weighed out on a very accurate scale using good weighing technique.
Now, 2C-I comes from so many places...often from various chemists in China or Asia. So quality is always unknown. And few people use a scale, so who knows how much they are taking? Not them. Not us. I take the dosages listed with a grain of salt unless I know the person and what they did. There are so many variables that trip reports are becomming less and less of an accurate means of gaguing what these psychedelics do as more people, besides the "psychonauts", use them as they make the rounds in the black market.
Who says MDMA is safe? I know the major study touted saying why you should not take MDMA turned out to be bunk, as a lab "accidently" sent N-methyl-A so the wrong substance was tested. But still, we don't know one way or another. Maybe MDMA is safe. Maybe it isn't. I'm sure though, MDMA or MDA once or twice a year is safer than drinking. Alcohol is a known carcinogen. But which is worse? Right now that is all opinion there. I will say though that I know alcohol is bad for the body. And my body rejects alcohol and I can not ever drink it. And the one time I tried 1,4-BDO, I got so sick I nearly had someone take me to the hospital. These are things we know are bad.
I felt 2C-D to be completely non-toxic. What does that mean? Jack shit. But many of the "studies" and surveys touted by NIDA and such on cannabis and MDMA are bad science, and done with little regard for the scientific method and uncontrolable variables. Anyone who studies this knows, surveys are completely worthless for gaguing what a drug does, as there is no control. Yet surveys, on people that abuse multiple drugs, are what is usually sold by anti-drug organizations on why such and such is "bad."
So the fact that 2C-D "felt safe" to me is just as valid in my opinion as the surveys used by NIDA to show MDMA is "bad" for you. The answer is not known, but I felt 2C-D to be non-toxic in nature. No worse than LSD or psilocybin anyway.
What people? Serotonin, melatonin, DMT, 5-MeO-DMT are all tryptamines that the body makes and they are not in any way toxic. Adrenalin, noradrenalin, dopamine are all PEAs (I think
) produced by the body and vital to life.5-MeO-T protects the body from radiation. High dosages of 5-MeO-DET may be very toxic and possibly poisonous/deadly going by what TIHKAL suggests. In the least, 10mg of 5-MeO-DET would be a means of torturing someone. Yet, both are very close in structure.
MPPP is a very powerful narcotic. However, if you are cooking it and the pH is too low or the temperature is too high, the closely related MPTP is produced which causes instant and unreversable Parkinsonian-like action and the person's life is effectively over.
You can not tell if a molecule is toxic or not by just looking at it.
lysergication[/i] [B]another thing i'd like to ask to mgs : i am under the impression that 2c-x drugs must have (too) much similarities between them (like they will be too close in their chemical structures) to really have to feeling to discover something when you've taken one of these material...but i've only tried the 2c-i so it's surely a stupid impression. in fact i need that somebody who has tried some differents 2c-x say to me "no said:
Not in my experience. I found it stimulating, though not annoyingly so. And it promoted an incredible state of intellectual lucidity. I had such a deep and insightful talk with my friend when I tried it. The dose was 40mg.
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