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2C-C - First time - My, What a Slow and Shapely Triangle, but Oh My Legs!

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My first trip report here, this, as well as being my first time with 2C-C. I'm sure I've given too little or too much detail on various aspects. Please do ask questions, if anything needs fleshing out. :)

Dose, substance, route

I took 36 mg (+/- 1 mg) of 2C-C, orally.


Circumstances

I took the 2C-C alone in my flat at 10.15 pm on a Saturday evening, having been awake since 08.00 am and having spent a mostly pleasant day with my girlfriend, and with the prospect of not having to worry much about getting up the next day, since I wouldn't be seeing her again till Sunday evening. A small amount of (not hugely urgent) academic work hovered over me: I hoped to get some work done on Sunday, but it wouldn't have been disastrous if I hadn't been up to it.

So the circumstances weren't ideal for tripping: some responsibilities existed in the next 24 hours, and I was relatively tired; but I've had much worse circumstances in the past - I was basically feeling quite relaxed and positive about the experience. I was prepared to be up all night, and happy to see where the trip took me.


Expectations

Based on my reading, I anticipated an experience not unlike 2C-B or 2C-E, but perhaps with less stimulation, and maybe even some sedation, and with a longer come-up. I didn't know what to expect from the dose, as reports are rather inconsistent, with similar doses producing everything from nothing to fairly intense effects in different observers. However, it seemed to me that - possible, but unlikely, idiosyncratic reactions aside - this should be a dose that wouldn't be excessive, given I was ready and willing for an intense and long trip, should one present itself.


Commentary

Wonderful

Two possibly related things delighted me about this trip: the extraordinarily slow but steady come-up (effects growing and changing and developing and peaking at over three hours after dosing, despite relatively empty stomach (three hours empty)), and the entactogenesis/empathogenesis noted during the early and late stages of the trip.

I say that these may be related, because I have read others saying that any (or most) psychedelic can be entactogenic/empathogenic at low doses, but it is something I have never really noted, myself. Perhaps I have too rarely attempted low doses, and the low doses I've had haven't been low enough. But 2C-C's slow and steady come-up allowed me time (about 30 minutes) to explore that low-dose effect before the effects increased enough to obscure the empathogenesis with true psychedelia.

I should also note that current issues in my life may have inclined me more to empathic insights under any circumstance, but it is interesting that this effect was noted only at two symmetrical points on the triangular trajectory of effects of 2C-C. This seems to suggest the effect was 2C-C-related.

The slow come-up was great. A really friendly, gentle way to enter a trip (aside from the physical/motor issues discussed below), although I have to say that the 2C-C did wrestle me to the sofa in much the way that 2C-E tends to do to me (at around the time the physical/motor issues were at their height). But it was much less of a leap from the nonpsychedelic to the psychedelic mindset.

Ah well

Two other, again possibly related, things mildly disappointed me about it: the relative mildness of the peak (a mere taster of the full psychedelia I expect this substance can offer), and the brevity of the peak. The slow come-up was leading me wrongly to expect a good few hours at or near peak before coming down, whereas in fact the trajectory of the experience seemed to head downwards pretty much as soon as it had stopped rising.

I'd guess that a larger dose would make the triangular nature of the trajectory less disappointing, since more of the triangle would be at a satisfyingly high level. However, a higher dose would also likely make the empathic phase even briefer than it was on this occasion, and might exacerbate the one thing I really didn't like about this trip...

Oooh, not so nice!

I don't know whether it is mere stimulation, or a toxic side-effect or a result of actual (not just perceived) temperature change, or whether it is a sort of motor psychedelia (with neurons in the motor cortex being activated in similarly weird ways to those in the sensory cortex), but the jitteriness in my legs was quite disturbing. I've had it on 2C-E and DiPT to an extent, but this was the worse I've ever had it (despite being more cautious than usual with caffeine). Likewise, I don't know if the temperature changes were real or were thermoreceptor psychedelia. But they too were fairly disturbing. I would be interested to know if these effects scale with dose, or if they don't get much worse.


Chronology of effects

t+/-0.00 36 mg 2C-C taken orally.

t+0.30 Mild euphoric relaxation

t+1.00 Feeling cold

t+1.30 Subtle, controllable psychedelic mental state

t+1.45 Auditory enhancement, controlled psychedelia, tactile enhancement, empathic and entactogenic insight.

t+2.00 Brief stimulation, perceived temperature fluctuation

t+2.15 Visual disturbances begin. Breathing, shiftiness.

t+2.15 - t+2.45 Stimulation, jitteriness in legs, bed seemed necessary.

t+2.45 Relaxation returns, but visual distortion is increased, with haloing, and skipping about. Quite 2C-Eish feel arriving.

t+3.00 Tracers become fairly common

t+3.15 Peaking now. Very shroomy dry facefeel, stimulated but in the psychedelic way. Previous visuals persist.

t+4.00 Visuals are reduced, and trip is returned to mostly controlled state.

t+4.15 While visuals remain present to a degree, trip is 100% controlled now. Food begins to be eaten.

t+4.45 Calm, moral empathogen/entactogen state accessed earlier returns. Visuals almost entirely gone.

t+5.00 Ate well. Exceedingly close to baseline, but disinclined to sleep.

t+5.45 At baseline, essentially, and inclined to sleep.


Reinterpretation of effects as consisting of stages

I seemed to pass through several distinct psychedelic stages, generally with intervening bodyload heralding a new stage on the way up; and then passed through the same stages in reverse at a similar rate, but without the bodyload:

-1. ----- t - 0.00 36 mg 2C-C taken orally.

0. t + 0.00 Baseline 30 minutes

1. t + 0.30 Subtle euphoric relaxation 60 minutes

------ t + 1.30 i. Perceived temperature fluctuation (for first 10 minutes of 2)

2. t + 1.30 Tactile and auditory enhancement; Calm, clear entactogenesis/empathogenesis. 30 minutes

------ t + 2.00 ii. Perceived temperature fluctuation; mild stimulation (for first 10 minutes of 3)

3. t + 2.00 Auditory enhancement, mild visuals of shifting and breathing; controllable psychedelia 30 minutes

------ t + 2.20 iii. Stimulation, uncontrollable jitteriness (overlapping perhaps last 10 minutes of 3 and first 20 minutes of 4

4. t + 2.30 2C-typical haloing and skipping about of vision; psychedelia sometimes unavoidable, sometimes near-avoidable 45 minutes

5. t + 3.15 Psychedelically stimulated; psychedelia unavoidable; tracers added to visual mix 30 minutes

4. t + 3.45 Visuals reduced, more controllable.

3. t + 4.15 Quite controllable, but still altered.

2. t + 4.45 Empathogenesis revisited.

1. t + 5.30 No longer in a psychedelic state, but sufficient enhancement not to want to sleep.

0. t + 5.45 Baseline, and ready to sleep.

-1. ----- t + 6.15 Slept.


Experience

This was my first dose of 2C-C. Previous experience with other psychedelics (including a few debatable psychedelics) includes:

2C-B (twice at 25 mg, once at c. 15 mg),
2C-E (half a dozen times, at 18 to 25 mg),
LSD (a few times, a long time ago, mostly fairly low - but not precisely known - doses),
4-HO-DMT and 4-PO DMT (both in the form of mushrooms, at a wide range of not precisely known doses, on many occasions, ranging from threshhold to intense trips),
4-AcO-DMT (four occasions, ranging from 10 mg to 30 mg),
DiPT (about a dozen occasions, ranging from 60 mg to 100 mg),
pFPP (one occasion, 60 mg)
Salvinorin A (in the form of smoked Salvia divinorum perhaps a dozen times, range of not very precise doses, from threshold to intense in effects)
THC (in the form of smoked cannabis, innumerable times, wide range of doses)
MDMA (perhaps three times a long time ago, at 120 mg to 150 mg doses, I'd guess, and more recently one 80 mg dose)
MDMC (more than a dozen times, at doses mostly between 180 mg and 240 mg)

My apologies if this is too much info for a trip report, but I figured this would be relevant to how people interpret how I felt about 2C-C. I suppose it may also be relevant to know what my current taste in psychedelics is, to compare my assessment of 2C-C with. Essentially, I am finding that, of those I have experience with, the phenethylamine psychedelics are my drugs of choice, both for the nature of the visual effects and for the more positive and reflective head-space I find they tend to bring me to, but with a notable exception for DiPT, whose auditory and psychedelic effects have not yet failed to delight and intrigue me. (If I had access to LSD, I imagine that might be favourite, based on my loose memories of long-ago trips.) I also use cannabis regularly, though I think sometimes there is an element of psychological dependency, as well as genuine preference, in that.


What else passed my lips that day?

Last food eaten: 1 pizza, at t - 3.00

Other drugs taken: caffeine (in the form of tea and coffee) during the day, but at a reduced level (perhaps a cup of tea and one of coffee in the last 5 hours before dosing); nicotine (in the form of smoked cigarettes) during the day (perhaps 10 roll-ups). Tobacco, cannabis and tea were attempted on a few occasions during the trip. On each occasion that they were taken on the way up, they appeared to enhance stimulation uncomfortably. On the way down from the peak, however, they were enjoyed fairly normally.


What other drugs had I used recently?

Most recent was a combination of 80 mg MDMA and 15 mg 2C-B oral, followed by an unknown (probably no more than 180 mg over an hour) quantity of insufflated methylone, 7 days prior to the current dose. No other psychedelic, empathogenic, or stimulant use (other than cannabis, tobacco, and caffeine) in the past month.


Would I do this again?

Oh certainly, it has so much to offer, as discussed above. Until the jitteriness arrived, I was thinking I might try doubling the dose next time, but in fact I shall increment much more slowly. I don't think it'd take much more to produce a fully satisfying trip, and I'm concerned the jitteriness will get worse at higher levels. It's almost like a 36 mg dose of 2C-C gives me the body load of a 36 mg dose of 2C-E (or what I imagine that might be like... I've not taken such a dose) but with the intensity of psychedelia of a much lower dose.

I think, in future, I will try to limit further my use of caffeine, nicotine, and cannabis on a day when taking 2C-C, to see if this reduces the uncomfortable aspects of the trip. I'm also considering getting a thermometer and bp/pulse monitor, to check the objective counterparts of the subjective bodyload.


After effects

For at least 5 days after the trip, tracers (temporal blurring of visual motion) are occasionally observed.

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very well written report! I wish all of them were formulated this way. Thanks for submitting I have been wanting to try 2C-C ever since I did 2C-B it seems the most intriguing. However what caught my attention was the reported sedative effects but from what I gathered here you experienced none and actually experienced some stimulation. Was the stimulation pronounced and completely fused with the psychedelic aspects in a way similar to tryptamines or did it seem to be more like the stimulation experienced on LSD where it manifested more as a side effect.
 
neverstop said:
very well written report! I wish all of them were formulated this way. Thanks for submitting I have been wanting to try 2C-C ever since I did 2C-B it seems the most intriguing. However what caught my attention was the reported sedative effects but from what I gathered here you experienced none and actually experienced some stimulation. Was the stimulation pronounced and completely fused with the psychedelic aspects in a way similar to tryptamines or did it seem to be more like the stimulation experienced on LSD where it manifested more as a side effect.
Thanks! Indeed, it was the reported sedation that drew me to it too (although I had seen, from the user survey, that on average it was reported mildly stimulating). I wouldn't say I experienced no sedation. During the first stage (which I described as 'euphoric relaxation'), I definitely felt sedate, and quite lovely, like very low dose MDMA or MDMC perhaps. It's conceivable that this was placebo, or cannabis-related; but I'm quite confident it wasn't. However, it did precede the psychedelic effects, rather than coinciding with them. I also felt quite tranquil and still and calm during the perceived entactogenic/empathogenic phase. ETA: I wonder whether a low dose of 2C-C (sufficient to bring about this relaxed phase - if it were indeed an effect of the 2C-C - but no more than that) would combine with a lowish dose of another 2Cx to bring about a chilled but effective 2Cx of the sort we both seek/sought in 2C-C alone?

The stimulation was quite pronounced, if the excessive motor activity I experienced was due to stimulation. I was continuously and uncontrollably shaking and jerking in my legs (and, less so, the rest of my body) for at least 15 minutes. It felt separate from any psychedelic effects really, but it's hard to say.

At the (brief) peak of the trip, however, I did experience fused psychedelistimulation, as it were, and yes, this is most familiar to me from decent doses of tryptamines (and especially mushrooms). This was a whole different kettle of fish from the shaking in the earlier stages of the come-up.
 
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Great report!

I must say, 36mgs orally is a decent dose. I probably wouldn't take a higher one. I've taken it up to 35mgs, and that seems to be the point where any more would just increase unwanted side effects rather than provide a decent, strong trip. 2C-C just isn't that type of drug, in general. I did have one surprising experience with it at 35mgs mixed with a few P. caerulipes mushrooms.

The first time I used 2C-C, I took an oral dose of 20mgs, and that proved to be a very relaxed, yet visually enticing trip. To sum that up, I seemed to have the feeling that I was too relaxed to be seeing quite intense visuals, which in my opinion, are better than 2C-B's. I

I also like the fact that you can easily maintain complete control of yourself during the experience. It would be great to use in public if desired, like say, at an art museum for an example or even a theme park. Of course caution should be taken if I planned to do that, as if I attempted that with 2C-E, I would likely get arrested depending on the dose, but as I said, 2C-C can creep up on you sometimes.

A couple points I completely agree with you on. The "coming up" phase is slow and gently enjoyable. However, the peak doesn't last quite as long as the other compounds of its class that I've used (2C-B, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, and 2C-T-7; you could also include Mescaline Cacti, DOM, DOC, MDMA, MDA, MDE, and Methylone). The peak is very peaceful and vibrant, though you are right. It just doesn't last as long.

One thing I noticed about it is the ability to manipulate the effects it has on your psychological being. If you want to feel sober (maybe the Pastor or Priest just walked by :)), you can "turn it off," and likewise, you can influence and intensify the effects with your own mind.

Playing with the visuals is neat. It always seemed to put a silver tone to things, though the patterns were intricate in design and of a unique color, probably as close to MDA visuals as you'd get (this is judging by my mixture of 2C-C and mushrooms).

However, nothing really does justice when it comes to MDA visuals/visions for those who have experienced a full array of them. The unique design is utterly unexplainable, and the colors give off the perception that you are seeing color for the first time. Rich, deep, and wonderfully textured.

Anyway, I got off track. Sorry. I am still intoxicated from a Methylone experience that started last night. As far as the empathogenic qualities, I can see where you are coming from. The mindset more than anything during the initial phase of the trip is empathogen-like, but for me, my body never felt the euphoria in the way I do with MDMA, MDA, or Methylone. It is euphoric, but it is almost like a psychedelic Valium. I have felt waves of a calming "energy" if that makes any sense.

The only other drug that gives me that feeling people like to call "rolling" :) other than those closest to its class obviously including MDMA, is 2C-B. My best friend seems to think that 2C-C and 2C-I both did as well, but I noticed a very distinct, though mild MDMA-like effect with 2C-B as well as a well pronounced trip similar to Psilocybin or LSD, but again, quite mild.

A gentle balance of two things I call it, and as Erowid says, "It has the effect of MDMA but is much less direct, and it has the effect of LSD or Psilocybian mushrooms but is far less dissociating, though it is nothing like the combination of MDMA and LSD."

The subtle nature of 2C-C took me a little off gaurd when I first used it at 20mgs. I had 20mgs of oxycodone and 1mg of alprazolam in my system that day, so I didn't notice the "coming on" effects. It was just like, all of a sudden, the living room started to swirl and the patterning on the walls, seats, and carpet were alive.

I went outside at this point and discovered that it was just dawn. There was dew all over the grass and the woods behind the friend's house I was staying at, and I walked down to the woods. I almost felt as though I was in a jungle. Sounds are greatly intensified with 2C-C.

I have never had a problem with the "body load" on any RC's except for 2C-I's very stimulating nature causing pent up energy and 4-HO-DiPT was a slight bit unnerving just at the "coming up" stage. After that, everything was grand.

Now that I think of it, 2C-B had a weird, uncomfortable feeling during the onset. It wasn't that of excessive stimulation or pain in any manner, it just seemed very depressing. The only music I could enjoy was Tom Petty, and believe me, I like Tom Petty, but it isn't any where close to my mind when I experiment with Entheogens.

Well, I've talked your "eyes" out. I think you could understand. I used Methylone all alone last night and into the morning. If you could PM me, I'd appreciate it. I would like to know your thoughts and feelings on DiPT.
 
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Great Report!

I've done 2ce twice and loved it. It is probably my favorite psychedelic. I really enjoyed the slow mescaline like come up and the intense visuals. The come down is fun too I feel wise and awake. I also really want to do DMT some day. What have your DMT experiences been like? Is it similar to a breakthrough salvia trip?
 
Piper methysticum said:
Great report!
Thank you!

I must say, 36mgs orally is a decent dose. I probably wouldn't take a higher one. I've taken it up to 35mgs, and that seems to be the point where any more would just increase unwanted side effects rather than provide a decent, strong trip. 2C-C just isn't that type of drug, in general. I did have one surprising experience with it at 35mgs mixed with a few P. caerulipes mushrooms.
Ah, interesting, and a shame. I want 2C-C to deliver me a full trip singlehanded, but maybe combinations will have to be the way to go. I guess I'll push the 2C-C dose cautiously upwards and see what happens with the jitters/motor psychedelia/stimulation thing.

The first time I used 2C-C, I took an oral dose of 20mgs, and that proved to be a very relaxed, yet visually enticing trip. To sum that up, I seemed to have the feeling that I was too relaxed to be seeing quite intense visuals, which in my opinion, are better than 2C-B's. I

I also like the fact that you can easily maintain complete control of yourself during the experience. It would be great to use in public if desired, like say, at an art museum for an example or even a theme park. Of course caution should be taken if I planned to do that, as if I attempted that with 2C-E, I would likely get arrested depending on the dose, but as I said, 2C-C can creep up on you sometimes.

A couple points I completely agree with you on. The "coming up" phase is slow and gently enjoyable. However, the peak doesn't last quite as long as the other compounds of its class that I've used (2C-B, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-I, and 2C-T-7; you could also include Mescaline Cacti, DOM, DOC, MDMA, MDA, MDE, and Methylone). The peak is very peaceful and vibrant, though you are right. It just doesn't last as long.

One thing I noticed about it is the ability to manipulate the effects it has on your psychological being. If you want to feel sober (maybe the Pastor or Priest just walked by :)), you can "turn it off," and likewise, you can influence and intensify the effects with your own mind.

Playing with the visuals is neat. It always seemed to put a silver tone to things, though the patterns were intricate in design and of a unique color, probably as close to MDA visuals as you'd get (this is judging by my mixture of 2C-C and mushrooms).

However, nothing really does justice when it comes to MDA visuals/visions for those who have experienced a full array of them. The unique design is utterly unexplainable, and the colors give off the perception that you are seeing color for the first time. Rich, deep, and wonderfully textured.

Anyway, I got off track. Sorry. I am still intoxicated from a Methylone experience that started last night. As far as the empathogenic qualities, I can see where you are coming from. The mindset more than anything during the initial phase of the trip is empathogen-like, but for me, my body never felt the euphoria in the way I do with MDMA, MDA, or Methylone. It is euphoric, but it is almost like a psychedelic Valium. I have felt waves of a calming "energy" if that makes any sense.
Absolutely, that describes the empathogenic phase of my 2C-C experience very well. There was a clarity and stillness not so typical of an MDMA or MDMC experience; and no big body euphoria.

The only other drug that gives me that feeling people like to call "rolling" :) other than those closest to its class obviously including MDMA, is 2C-B. My best friend seems to think that 2C-C and 2C-I both did as well, but I noticed a very distinct, though mild MDMA-like effect with 2C-B as well as a well pronounced trip similar to Psilocybin or LSD, but again, quite mild.

A gentle balance of two things I call it, and as Erowid says, "It has the effect of MDMA but is much less direct, and it has the effect of LSD or Psilocybian mushrooms but is far less dissociating, though it is nothing like the combination of MDMA and LSD."

The subtle nature of 2C-C took me a little off gaurd when I first used it at 20mgs. I had 20mgs of oxycodone and 1mg of alprazolam in my system that day, so I didn't notice the "coming on" effects. It was just like, all of a sudden, the living room started to swirl and the patterning on the walls, seats, and carpet were alive.

I went outside at this point and discovered that it was just dawn. There was dew all over the grass and the woods behind the friend's house I was staying at, and I walked down to the woods. I almost felt as though I was in a jungle. Sounds are greatly intensified with 2C-C.

I have never had a problem with the "body load" on any RC's except for 2C-I's very stimulating nature causing pent up energy and 4-HO-DiPT was a slight bit unnerving just at the "coming up" stage. After that, everything was grand.

Now that I think of it, 2C-B had a weird, uncomfortable feeling during the onset. It wasn't that of excessive stimulation or pain in any manner, it just seemed very depressing. The only music I could enjoy was Tom Petty, and believe me, I like Tom Petty, but it isn't any where close to my mind when I experiment with Entheogens.

Well, I've talked your "eyes" out. I think you could understand. I used Methylone all alone last night and into the morning. If you could PM me, I'd appreciate it. I would like to know your thoughts and feelings on DiPT.
Many thanks for all that... a very interesting read. :) I've posted a summary of my DiPT experiences in the Big and Dandy DiPT thread in PD, but feel free to PM me if you want to discuss DiPT or whatever. :)

Hillbilly Dan said:
Great Report!

I've done 2ce twice and loved it. It is probably my favorite psychedelic. I really enjoyed the slow mescaline like come up and the intense visuals. The come down is fun too I feel wise and awake. I also really want to do DMT some day. What have your DMT experiences been like? Is it similar to a breakthrough salvia trip?
Thanks... Um, are you asking me about DMT? I've not done DMT at all. 4-HO-DMT, 4-PO-DMT, and 4-AcO-DMT, yes, but DMT no. :) I've never experienced a salvia-like state on any phenethylamine or tryptamine I've tried (thankfully! =D ). (ETA: Oh, well, except for when I took salvia on a mushroom trip, which was quite fun, more easy to enjoy than salvia alone, perhaps because the mushrooms eased the transition.)
 
i liked the way you formatted this report. it's well written, easy to read and it contains lots of pertinent information. thanks for sharing.

if you're interested in a sedating psychedelic, i would recommend LSA containing seeds. i have had trips on morning glory where i was literally floored. i couldn't muster the will to move from the spot where i was laying for several hours. be forewarned though, the nausea and muscle cramps can really ruin the direction of the trip for some people. i would still say it's worthwhile to try though.
 
I'd love to feed your monkey some 2C-D, to elicit a similarly well-written report...
 
stirfry said:
i liked the way you formatted this report. it's well written, easy to read and it contains lots of pertinent information. thanks for sharing.

if you're interested in a sedating psychedelic, i would recommend LSA containing seeds. i have had trips on morning glory where i was literally floored. i couldn't muster the will to move from the spot where i was laying for several hours. be forewarned though, the nausea and muscle cramps can really ruin the direction of the trip for some people. i would still say it's worthwhile to try though.
Thanks, I'd forgotten actually, I took LSA-containing HBWR seeds once, but the experience was threshold at best... I guess I didn't take enough. Muscle cramps doesn't sound so great though... is this (and the nausea) just a on-the-way-up thing? Or do they persist throughout the trip?

djfriendly said:
I'd love to feed your monkey some 2C-D, to elicit a similarly well-written report...
Heh, bless you. Budgetary considerations mean I'll not be buying any new materials this quarter (just DiPT, 2C-C and 2C-B trips - and combinations thereof - for the next couple of months - can't complain, really ;)), but I'll happily get some 2C-D next time I make a purchase. I did consider getting 2C-D recently, but plumped for 2C-C as seeming more uniquely interesting. May I ask what interests you in 2C-D particularly?
 
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invert said:
Thanks, I'd forgotten actually, I took LSA-containing HBWR seeds once, but the experience was threshold at best... I guess I didn't take enough. Muscle cramps doesn't sound so great though... is this (and the nausea) just a on-the-way-up thing? Or do they persist throughout the trip?
mostly during the come up IME. morning glory seed trips develop very slowly for me. typically, i will feel kinda nauseous about 20-30mins after swallowing the seeds. the nausea remains for an hour or two, then usually culminates in vomiting. thats about when the trip begins. i don't stay nauseas once it starts. it lasts a good 8-10 hours for me, and dose varies a lot from batch to batch, so i can't really recommend a starting dosage. i have had similarly intense trips off of 4 grams of seeds verses 10 grams from another batch.

i only experienced muscle cramping one time while using the seeds, and it was transient and not too annoying. i just threw the warning out there because it's a common side effect. some people get it more than others i guess.
 
really good report! your description makes me want to try it very badly... something tells me I will be soon :) I like that 2c-c has a shorter duration than other psychs., seems like something you can make an evening of rather than an entire day, similar to 2c-b... again, great report :)

<3 Karma
 
Thanks... Um, are you asking me about DMT? I've not done DMT at all. 4-HO-DMT, 4-PO-DMT, and 4-AcO-DMT, yes, but DMT no. I've never experienced a salvia-like state on any phenethylamine or tryptamine I've tried (thankfully! ). (ETA: Oh, well, except for when I took salvia on a mushroom trip, which was quite fun, more easy to enjoy than salvia alone, perhaps because the mushrooms eased the transition.)

Yeah the transition is what always scares me on salvia. There's no come up your in reality, then your not simple as that8o
 
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