2C-B & Anxiety, first time

[spankydoo]

I know there is a big 2C-B thread but I just was hoping people could chime in, Bluelight saves me so much trouble and I really want to be as prepared as possible.
About me: in the psychedelic realm I'm experienced with LSD, psilocybin, numerous 2C-I trips, MDA, and loads of MDMA(I've never understood why MDMA is considered a psych). With psilo, I've had more bad trips than good (due mainly to set and setting I believe, in a bad place in life, uneducated), one bad trip with MDA (got overenthusiastic and took one two many pills). One difficult time with 2C-I, was coming down off some pressies and headspace was already bummed.

Minus the bad trips, I have had some very positive tripping experiences in my day and some of the bad were beneficial, but it has been a while since I have had a bad trip and it's been a few years since I have ventured out further than MDMA. I feel like I am in a better mental place than I was in the dark days when I had the bad trips. I probably had no business doing hard psychs in the first place and I feel like the majority of my bad trips were due to poor research, general disrespect towards drugs, and anxiety. I am also generally sensitive to hard psychedelics, like I ALWAYS get visuals and weird headspaces. Not with MDMA though, MDMA is my bliss.

Anyways, I might get some 2C-B for a festival and think I want to give it a shot at home alone before tripping in public. I would just be doing 2C-B by itself at home but may mix with MDMA at a fest. I have some xanax as well. I am thinking of taking .25-.5 mg of xanax before the 2C-B and starting with 10 mgs of 2C-B and just chilling and working on some of my music. I may redose if 10 mg doesn't do much.

My question is will 2C-B be dulled by that small a dosage of xanax? I don't take xanax every day and don't take more than .5 mgs at a time. I have done a lot of 2C-I, both orally and insuffated and generally thought it was just ok, sometimes were better than others, and was always easy to handle on its own, but always made my tummy feel rumbly, almost like I was hungry without actually being hungry. I got no good body high from 2C-I whatsoever and sex was undesirable. I did like the visuals though. I have never puked off any psych though there have been times (shrooms) where I wanted to.

Should I snort the boosters of 2C-B if at the 10mg peak I am not really anywhere special? Or will oral redoses kick in quicker when already tripping? I generally found snorting 2C-I to be painful but only at first, and not as bad as some have suggested. Sorry for the long post, but I really want to be as prepared as possible.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I might get some 2C-B for a festival and think I want to give it a shot at home alone before tripping in public

A wise decision.

I am thinking of taking .25-.5 mg of xanax before the 2C-B and starting with 10 mgs of 2C-B and just chilling and working on some of my music.

This seems unnecessary, unless you have some severe anxiety disorder and are liable to experience panic attacks while tripping. Also 10mg is a very conservative dose.

My question is will 2C-B be dulled by that small a dosage of xanax?

Yes.

Should I snort the boosters of 2C-B if at the 10mg peak I am not really anywhere special?

You can, I wouldn't bother with oral dosing at peak, if you don't mind the burn snorting should work. 10mg is not going to take you anywhere special, go for 15mg, this isn't as heavy a hitter as 2c-e or 2c-i.

Have fun (I think you will)!

 

[Deinonychus]

^^ Good, solid advice.

I would suggest 15 mg at least orally as your dose. I will however point out that if you choose to use 10 mg orally, and are underwhelmed as you likely will be, snorting 5 mg at the peak will be the only way to boost it up as oral dosing at that point in such a small amount will not do much. The issue is that snorting HCl salts of the 2C series hurts like a bitch. I haven't done it myself but people liken it to sticking a live wire in your nostril. I personally have the HBr salt of 2C-B and prefer to snort it. That does sting, but not too much for myself. Others have found the HBr salt also to hurt too much to sniff.

My point is that while 10 mg may underwhelm as a trip, it will likely make sniffing 5 mg more even more intense that it would be sober. Thus I strongly suggest that you take at least 15 mg orally for best effect. I think that as long as you're doing it alone, and you're preparing yourself beforehand as far as set and setting, you will not experience anxiety even with a full 20 mg. 2C-B is a really, really friendly psychedelic, I haven't ever seen or heard of a bad reaction to it, though I'm absolutely sure it can and may happen to somebody taking it in a very negative setting or with a very negative mindset.

It's very gentle on the psyche, not pushy at all like tryptamines, or even some of the heavier duty PEAs.

So I would suggest eat it, and take 20 mg, but if you want to be extra cautious, which is certainly better than being extra reckless, take 15. Any less will not do much, in that you'll be unlikely to get a feel for the headspace, which is after all the reason for this trial. And I suggest against sniffing it unless you're 100% sure it's the hydrobromide salt.

Have fun, it's great stuff!

 

[spankydoo]

Thanks for the suggestions and input, I have decided to split 50 mg into roughly 3 equal piles and consume. I measured out the 50 mg with my milligram scale but anything under 30-40 milligrams doesn't really register, which is why I "eyeballed" the rest. I was very cautious with making sure the piles were equal and have had a lot of experience capping 2C-I so I feel confident with the dose sizes. I also took a tiny bit more off each pile to make a little bump if needed.

 

[xx001]

2c-b is gentle and very emotionally positive compared to most other psychedelics so the risk of a bad trip is likely smaller. I would advise you to try it at home first at 15mg. Some people seem to be especially sensitive or tolerant to 2c-b so figuring out the dose beforehand would be the way to go. 10mg would probably be to small if you want to trip. It would probably just end up being a body buzz more than anything else. I would avoid the xanax unless you started feeling bad during the trip, for something mild like 2c-b it would no doubt blunt the experience a good bit. Also, snorting it is probably not the best idea, it really hurts, the dose/response is much more difficult to predict than orally as it is roughly 2x more potent that way, and the rapid comeup can be uncomfortable, especially in a public space.

If your scale doesn't do well under 50mg, I would really suggest you look into volumetric dosing, aka liquid dosing. It is far more reliable than eyeballing, and 2c-b should be perfectly stable in water. It is unusual for a milligram scale to be off at near 50mg. Maybe at <5-10mg. Does it measure down to the milligram or in .01 gram increments?
2c-b

And to Deinonychus, do you think there is much difference is the caustic nature of the HBr salt vs the HCl salt? The HCl might well be more acidic. When I had 2c-b HBr, I never snorted any but it was the roughest thing I have ever taken sublingually. The 2c-e I had was the HCl salt and snorting it was hellish, even in tiny bumps.

 

[Deinonychus]

I suppose I'm not exactly the ideal data source, having never sniffed the HCl salt of a psychedelic, but it certainly is my favorite method of ingestion for 2C-B. I can say that several of my friends made the ill mistake of sniffing 2C-E HCl when I was present, despite suggestions to just eat it, and while they ended up having a good trip it took at least half an hour before they stopped clutching at their faces and exclaiming about the pain. I've never seen such a violently unpleasant reaction to insufflation before.

A while later I brought over some 2C-B hydrobromide, and at this point I had learned to sniff it for *my* personal best effect, though everybody will have a different effect no doubt. I got some really incredulous looks from my friends, but after I showed no signs of unpleasant burn my friends were more receptive and in turn insufflated their portions. They seemed to find it more painful than myself, but not massively so, and have been sniffing it since then.

2C-E dosage was 17 mg per person +/- a milligram, measured with a proper balance, 2C-B dosages have varied but the initial experience I just mentioned was 25 mg. Even taking into account the greater molecular weight of the hydrobromide, that still is more of the HBr on a molecular level, so I would say it is less caustic. It's anecdotal, but probably reasonable data unless somebody here has used both salts and can compare.

I prefer the effects of 2C-B insufflated because of the reduced time period to come up. I don't think that a long come up is a bad thing, but for 2C-B I have gotten into the habit of it and when I have used it orally I find it less intense, less all-encompassing, despite the correspondingly increased dose. And there's nothing wrong with +1 states either, I simply reduce the dosage and insufflate that. I am aware my friends and I tend towards the high end of the dosage scale for most things, but as long as it's not overboard I figure personal preference for ROA adds one more positive to the set and setting. For me the sting is pretty minor, gone within ten minutes usually. I find it helps to get up and move during the come up, to dispose of the building surplus of energy during the come up from insufflation, and that also distracts from any sting.

Originally when I first started learning about certain processes in organic chemistry I was foolish and thought that finding the HBr indicated laziness on the part of the chemist, but some kind folks in this forum dispelled that notion and explained that they found the HBr less painful. Considering that's one step fewer without going into details, unless I was trying for an analytical sample I would recommend leaving it as the hydrobromide, but that's personal preference.

As far as I know, HCl is indeed more caustic, but I'm unfamiliar with anything beyond the most basic biological processes, ATP and citric acid cycle etc, so I don't know for sure if there are any mitigating mechanisms in the sinuses or on mucous membranes in general that could help neutralize acidic conditions. If not my thoughts would be to assume HCl is more caustic to those areas in agreement with the properties of the acids themselves.

Anybody have some more direct, personal experience with both salts that wants to add something to the discussion?

 

[xx001]

The desirability of a fast come-up will depend on the nature of the drug to some extent. 2c-b is pretty gentle but 2c-e tends to be the opposite. After insufflating the 2c-e, I was shaking and vomiting within 5 minutes - not pleasant at all. Once the initial rush subsided, I had a great trip though. This is in contrast to smoking dmt. The come up is rapid and the body load is strong but it caused none of the temporary suffering.

More tasting is required.

 

[spankydoo]

So whoever says 2C-B is a "toy", or a "cross between MDMA and LSD" is oversimplifying or doesn't know what they're talking about or it just has a profoundly different effect on each person (most likely the latter). I would say the body load is pretty uncomfortable at times. Sitting still and just being was difficult. It definitely comes in waves. It kicked n faster than expected, like in 40 minutes I was already feeling tingles all over my body and up my spine. But your thought process is more clear and you are not anywhere near as dissociated as acid or mushrooms. But for me, a hint dissociation was still there for sure, I mean, it is a phen after all.

I found myself trying to stretch a lot and trying to yawn a couple times. I could hear EVERYTHING that was going on outside and could hear cars that I know were far off because of where my house is located in relation to the main roads. I could hear the wind outside, and I could hear any little noise that was going on in my house. When I closed my eyes, auditory hallucinations occurred in almost a digital sense, like there was a skipping CD, but they came quick and out of nowhere and were gone just as fast.

Visuals where pretty fucking cool though, everything was bubbly. Those CEV's...Woah... the closest thing I could compare it to was the CEV's of psilo. Extremely bright, vibrant, and like an Alex Grey painting. When I opened my eyes EVERYTHING was shimmering, like there was a strobe light of supersaturated color flashing everywhere that wasn't in my direct focal point. That was very cool. Walls were breathing like a motherfucker, and patterns were coming out of the textured walls and ceiling. Persian rugs galore. Looking at the granite countertop in my bathroom was very interesting, it is truly a marvel what psychedelics do to your sense of vision, not to mention thought. I would love to know how that works anatomically. Similar to acid in the cartoony sense, but more of 2C-B unique characteristic. Everything was crawling, the carpet fibers were really interesting, not really creepy but I found things that had designs of little dots or whatever really popped out. It was almost like the smallest details in pictures, blankets, wallpaper, etc where more prominent and you were more aware of detail. Shit, you're just more aware of yourself in general. I felt like Ricky Bobby "I don't know what to do with my hands". Things in my periphery would distort and get really big then really small then really big, over and over. The visuals were very connected with the body trip I feel like, which is heavy and wompy haha hard to describe really, sort of like things looked like the way music sounds? Idk how to describe it. I watched King of the Hill for a while and 2C-B made the animation look 100x better than it does in real life, because in King of the Hill it has that old school sort of animation, not a lot of movement in the characters and very simplistic. But nooo 2C-B brought it more to life and patterns would appear on the majority of the surfaces of objects in the show.

I didn't find it at all sensual or an aphrodisiac of any sort. I think sex would be really awkward/uncomfortable. My fingers were trembling like crazy, like they were twitching in a super fast syncopated rhythm. I did find myself thinking a lot about what could possibly be going on in the synapses of my brain, like trying to figure out how a computer works, if that makes any sense.

I did end up taking a little bit of Xanax during the peak, but the Xanax didn't dull any of the visuals or 2C-Bness. It may have actually made my body load heavier, but it was actually pretty beneficial because even though I was still uncomfortable, I was able to trip in peace sort of. I just think I am not a huge fan of the way trippy substances make my body feel. Walking around may have made for a better experience though because the body load wasn't necessarily painful, it was just heavy as shit.

I had some very useful insight into myself, and I have a new feeling of motivation to be more available to my friends and people in general. I tend to become a recluse at times and while I was on 2C-B I couldn't help but think that was not the way I should be living life. I am thankful for that. The thought process of my trip was very prominent, and I could see that at high doses sensitive individuals could be in for a rough ride and people that aren't sensitive and enjoy that sort of trip would have the time of their life. It really is a person by person thing.

I didn't end up taking any more than my initial dose. I think my dose may have been a milligram or two more than what I needed. I would be interested to see how something like 11 or 12 mg's treated me. Like I said, I am pretty sensitive to substances, even weed which I have been smoking for ~10 years only takes me 2-3 hits of good to get me really fuckin high. That's cool with me though, is very easy on the wallet and body I feel.

Anyways, this was a long report and it didn't even cover all of it. Thanks again to the people that have chimed in it was very helpful. I think I might not do this at a festival in the near future, but maybe one further down the line with another 2 or 3 trips under my belt. I don't want to ruin the magic of 2C-B and it definitely for me is not a substance I would want to take very often.

I reached a +++, and dosed at about 10:20 PM, felt the first waves coming on around 10:50 (and 2C-B for me was definitely very cyclical, waves of intensity and troughs of more comfortable relaxed tripping), and by 11:40 I was full blow ripped from my consciousness. It has some serious kick to it, far more kick than 2C-I, in my experience, but 2C-I was a lot more uncomfortable for me physically and much more clear to me mentally. 2C-B has a more organic electricity to it I think. If my trip report sounds difficult, it sort of was but I would not even come close to calling it a "bad trip".

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Sitting still and just being was difficult

If you're not enjoying sitting still, then move around, get up and dance! When you burn yourself on a hot pan you don't keep your hand on it, you move it away.

PEA psychedelics tend to be stimulative, you have to work with that to make the tactile effects pleasant, being stubborn will only make them uncomfortable. It's like directing the energy and removing any blocks (no I am not positing the existence of magical energies, that's just how it feels).

 

[Synaesthesia242]

I like 2C-B at the 10-12mg level. It's a nice background buzz. The higher doses can get uncomfortable sometimes. I agree about the organic electricity "feeling" of it.

 

[The Lone Deranger]

Great write up " Spankydoo " realy enjoyed reading that ! and i myself am on the run up to trying this, just a bit more reading i think, then im gonna open the door ..

Thanks again, realy fired me right up reading your report .

 

[spankydoo]

If you're not enjoying sitting still, then move around, get up and dance! When you burn yourself on a hot pan you don't keep your hand on it, you move it away.

PEA psychedelics tend to be stimulative, you have to work with that to make the tactile effects pleasant, being stubborn will only make them uncomfortable. It's like directing the energy and removing any blocks (no I am not positing the existence of magical energies, that's just how it feels).

Very nicely put, it seems so obvious right now while sober hahah maybe I should consider a sitter next time, 2 heads are better than 1.

Great write up " Spankydoo " realy enjoyed reading that ! and i myself am on the run up to trying this, just a bit more reading i think, then im gonna open the door ..

Thanks again, realy fired me right up reading your report .

Glad I could help, I spent the better part of a week heavily researching 2C-B before ingesting it (although I have known about it for years and have had tons of 2C-I experience), and I think it helped me a great deal to keep it at the forefront of my mind over my research period to really burn things into my brain so I didn't lose it while tripping haha I think a lot. Read the entire "Great Big 2C-B Thread" here in Bluelight, and as many trip reports in Erowid, the Shroomery, Drug-Forum, Reddit, etc. But you won't know until you try! As someone who has had trouble with anxiety and tripping, if I could do it then most any other remotely sound individual could.


Please the edit button to add on to your posts, instead of double posting.

~Never

 

[The Lone Deranger]

Thats cool, and yeh ive been reading about it aswell as other things on and off for a few yrs now ! im gonna have to get a wiggle on and see about getting some picked up.

 

[GreenMachine]

i highly recommend 2C-B! anxiety? prepare but dont count on it. i have only seen one difficult experience with this substance in many, many instances. i find it far gentler than the classic psychedelics.

i DO have experience combining benzos and 2C-B and while it was still fun it REALLY dulled the experience. i would just keep them around in case you really need them, or use them for landing gear. if you have experience with legit L and mushrooms, 2C-B should be a cakewalk. do you know what dose you will be using? 2C-B has a very steep dosage curve; if you can do anything about it i recommend 20-25mg for your first time.

 

[spankydoo]

do you know what dose you will be using? 2C-B has a very steep dosage curve; if you can do anything about it i recommend 20-25mg for your first time.

I posted dosage and report above, took about 16 mgs and it was more than enough for me. Took .5 mgs xanax about 20 minutes into peak and then another .5 at the end of the trip to sleep and though I only have about 40 minutes of pure 2C-B experience to compare it to, I'd still say I tripped really hard. It made my body heavier and slowed my though process, that was about it that I could tell.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

A strong dose of around 25 mg should give you a strong body and mental high with decent visuals.
It is a psychedelic after all, so imo if you aren't getting much for visuals you isn't do enough, unless of course you only wanted a mild high.
When I did 2c-b I found that it seemed like it would be difficult to trip bad on, it's so positively euphoric, it almost seems to put you in the proper mindset for a psychedelic trip

 

[GreenMachine]

A strong dose of around 25 mg should give you a strong body and mental high with decent visuals.
It is a psychedelic after all, so imo if you aren't getting much for visuals you isn't do enough, unless of course you only wanted a mild high.
When I did 2c-b I found that it seemed like it would be difficult to trip bad on, it's so positively euphoric, it almost seems to put you in the proper mindset for a psychedelic trip

i personally enjoy the body high from 2C-B, but not everyone does. i wont do any less than 20mgs with this substance. i think the sweet spot is somewhere between 20-30mg. i feel like at this level you get the visuals of a +++ acid trip, without the confusion; perfect for more recreational purposes.

also 2C-B is a great drug for combinations, of course if done carefully. nothing beats a 2C-B trip with a bit of MDMA/MDA. the empathy i get from ecstasy can feel forced since i have done it quite a bit...with 2C-B the empathy feels deep and genuine, with the two together its a whole new experience.

 

[Deinonychus]

^^ It seems that the body buzz from 2C-B is a polarizing thing: I love it, and a fair proportion of other people also love it, but on the other hand some people just hate it.

I couldn't imagine 2C-B without that feeling, I find it to be very pleasing although intense. I think that body highs from psychedelics in general are not well tolerated by some people. I do think that it takes some getting used to, but as long as you can tell between legitimate physiological distress and the drug-dependent body high it should be enjoyable.