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Since my last thread was closed before I was even able to make a single reply I'm going to post back up about this topic as I have new information.

I recently asked if anybody had ever heard of a chem that was given to me as "2C-5I" and was pretty much berated by the community for being ignorant which I am not. I have gotten further information on the blotters I was given and am wondering if anybody has any idea if there is a grain of truth to what was told to me or not.

I received this text in relation to my questioning. "I got a reply on tht paper. Its made from bakers yeast and a protein called tsnare. Somehow it crystallizes and turns into a fungus and then can be broke down an layed on paper. Still called 2c5i supposedly. He said its new an real close to the L. Even in the process of makin it"

So that's my more recent information. Anybody ever hear of a process like this or is my friends connect pulling his leg. I'm inclined to believe still that its complexed 25I but I couldn't say as I haven't eaten one because I'm trying to get information on the above process.

Again this is not an ID thread. Responses trying to ID the chemical on the blotter I have will only lead to this thread being closed prematurely as the last one was and I would rather that not happen as there could be some very pertinent information out there that someone can share. I know that T-SNARE proteins are a pretty new thing and something I'm pretty unversed in. I've never heard of them having or leading to a psychadelic product and my question is not "What is on my blotter" but rather can something psychadelic be created from these proteins and if so is it safe to consume and stable enough to maintain molecular structure for a prolonged period of time.

We all know that fungi of all types can have pretty interesting properties. The chemical may be misleadingly named as I'm assuming it would be a tryptamine and not a phenylthalamine but a phen producing fungus may not be as bizarre as I once thought, after all this is a new age of psychadelic exploration where we're seeing a lot of people do a lot of neat things with our advancements in technology and the newfound "back to our roots" culture that has psychadelic explorers using these advancements in combination with more traditional and "natural" compounds (plants, fungus, animals etc.)

I ask that moderators leave this thread up for at least a few weeks to see if anybody has anything to share or any insight to give in relation to the creation of a 'new' psychadelic fungus on the horizon.

Much love and respect to you all.
 
There is no known drug by this name and somewhere down the line, someone is being blinded by science and passing it on without bothering to check the facts.

New science is great for confusing people because often those considered well informed don't even understand, as in this case.

I won't pretend to understand the intricacies of tSNARE, but having heard 100 stories just like this in the past to sell DOC, 25I, Br-DFLY and the rest, I can confidently say you are being misinformed.
 
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@ Cannibal

Thank you for the scientific and mature response that added so much to this discussion. You obviously know what a SNARE protein is and know that 100% for a fact it cannot lead to any psychadelic products.

Maybe you shouldn't reply to every thread you see with your baseless and boorish comments just to voice your opinion. Just a thought.
 
@ Transform

I'm inclined to believe you. I just wanted to get this out there to find out once and for all if anybody has any insight to this supposed creation of a new chemical. If there is none that anybody on this site can offer then the ultimate goal is to convince my friend to stop buying from wherever he's getting this. I trust this guy and believe he may be getting misinformed and misled purposefully which is sad to know that people will do but I'm not naive. I didn't pay a dime for these tabs and most likely will throw them away if nobody has heard of some process like this just because of the bad karma associated with them.

Thank you for your intelligent and honest reply.
 
FWIW, a friend of mine has told me about a drug called "2CI-16", that a chemist he knows is producing himself, and which is 16 times as potent as 2C-I, and is administered nasally. To me, it was obvious that this exciting new drug was, in fact, misrepresented 25I-NBOMe. To me, it seems one might draw a parallel between this case and the one you have described.
 
Who's your friend? Is he in any position to understand this type of science? Sounds like he's saying some stuff that could seem plausible, but he's just talking out of his ass. For him to be given an unheard of drug by a chemist... What are the chances? Highly unlikely IMO.

From what your friend said. 2c-5i, sounds like 25i or 25c-nbome. He probably doesn't know which.
 
Sounds like someone came up with their own nomenclature for nBOME drugs. I doubt this is a novel chemical.

You obviously know what a SNARE protein is and know that 100% for a fact it cannot lead to any psychadelic products.
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Can and will are separate concepts. I assure you that no drugs can be made simply by offering a protein supplement to bakers' yeast, as that would be totally ludicrous. Baker's yeast can be used to achieve certain chemical reactions, in particular reductive amination, and, without going into details, I have a decent idea of what you might make with such a process -- in case you're wondering, t-SNARE would probably not be used as a reagent, but rather to prevent the yeast from destroying the product; calcium alginate has been used similarly. However, this is not the place for such speculation, and the list of things that can be made with yeast-mediated reductions is far too large for that to be any sort of useful information.

In any case, if some "chemist" you know claims to be synthesizing something novel, ask for the full IUPAC-standardized name. If he can't give it to you, he's lying, and if he refuses, he probably isn't trustworthy.
 
I think what you have here is a typical case of social engineering. Point is made - Googling it would quickly result in disproving such a thing exists - but then the point is backed by some scientific jargon taken from elsewhere, which confuses you, and also has some basis in reality, leaving you believing the original lie.

Baker's yeast has been used in the process of synthesizing LSA, one of the related ergolines used in the process of LSD manufacture. There have been a few articles about this, and this is probably what your friend's connect read.

The 2c-5i is not the name of any real chemical. As already stated by me and countless others it's almost certainly 25C-NBOMe or 25I-NBOMe. 2C-I is also a possibility and has been present on blotter in the past but very unlikely. The NBOMe series chemicals have just came out, are similar to LSD in many ways, especially duration - and as such, I'd be willing to bet pretty much every one of my possessions that this is either 25I or 25C.

Ask him for a full IUPAC name as atara said, or a drawing of the chemical structure. If he can't give you one, there's absolutely no doubt it's a lie. If he makes up some excuse not to be able to get one from the friend, rather than the friend simply not giving the name - then it's your friend who's lying to you unfortunately, and I wouldn't trust him with drugs in future.

If you get an IUPAC name or a drawing of the structure, post it up here and we'll tell you what the chemical he named is (if you can't find it online).

If you have a few $ you could just send it off to ecstasydata.org or another similar site for lab testing. I don't think there's any point though, it's fairly obvious this is 25C or 25I.

The poor man's test would be to get a hit each of 25C and 25I and compare them. You can also try putting it on your tongue for a bit, if you're ready to potentially trip if it's a strongly laid NBOMe. NBOMes taste bitter and sort of soapy, and can cause some slight numbness of the tongue.
 
Considering that there are no such psychedelics known to be in circulation, and that it would be far easier to use solid state synthesis, I think that's a no too.

Even opiate and nootropic peptides are rare.
 
Occam's razor? Either some kid is selling misrepresented RCs on blotter (happens all the time) or a novel class of psychedelics has made it into general circulation without entering the RC market, the literature, or the collective consciousness of BL first (pretty rare event). Your call.
 
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