25t2-NBOMe & 25t7-NBOMe

[Anon0631]

I have never seen these in the wild and there appears to be no B&D threads for them. Why is this? They are almost certainly active and highly likely to be a unique experience.

 

[Pietttaimf]

25T7-NBOMe was very active/strong at ~2mg insufflated. Onset was within 10 minutes, at T+45min peak was reached.
I can't remember how long the peak lasted exactly but the whole experience lasted about 10-12h. It was very visual with slight audio distortions.
As with other NBOMe-PEAs (except 25G-NBOMe and Mescaline-NBOMe) muscle tension was very present during the last third of the experience.
25T7-NBOMe is comparable to 25B- and 25I-NBOMe in both duration and effects.

 

[Solipsis]

Can I somehow persuade you to write a modest report here on 25T7-NBOMe? Doesn't need to be the whole story but it can be helpful for people who might be looking on any and all available - but scarce - info.

It is fine posted here, it can be split off as a centralized thread on each substance we have info on, in due course.

I hope you can help.

 

[JBrandon]

I have never seen these in the wild and there appears to be no B&D threads for them. Why is this? They are almost certainly active and highly likely to be a unique experience.

They have certainly been tried by a few people and I definitely saw 25T-4-NBOMe for sale once. I would assume the reason they don't show up is because T-2 and T-7 are harder to synth than B/C/I. I mean just look how rare the alkylated 25x series is comparatively, you hardly ever see 25D or E compared to the halogens.

I think a lot of vendors just took their excess 2C-X inventory and converted for a quick buck. Rather than drive the market to innovative or obscure chems they went for max profitability and return on investment in existing stock.

If you have the cash I'm sure someone would do a custom synth or convert your existing T-4/7, but I wouldn't be surprised if the parent compound was superior to the NBOMe.

 

[2002Tii]

Does anyone know if the NBOMe of T-7 carries any of the same health issues as the 2C counterpart?

 

[Anon0631]

What health issues? The possibility of overdose? Yes. Pretty much every drug in the phenethylamine class can maim or kill if taken at orders of magnitude above the active dose.

200mg of 2c-b would most likely be as risky as 4.5mg of 25c-NBOMe.

 

[Solipsis]

I think what is meant is the extra potential for side-effects or complications seen with the 2C-T compounds when they are taken via certain ROAs (e.g. insufflated) or combined with other drugs. And the therapeutic index seems smaller with these than with the halogenated or alkylated 2C-X.

It is probably that these are seen with the NBOMe compounds as well, because in the ALEPH series (DOT, DOT-2,4,7 etc) Shulgin says as well that there is a "suggestion of body toxicity", and I do not think that the NBOMe moiety in their analogues would be different enough to change that.

For me personally this is a significant reason why I am not really interested in the 25T4 I have, at least less than in the other NBOMe's available. These compounds are tricky enough without these sulfuric issues.

 

[2002Tii]

I think what is meant is the extra potential for side-effects or complications seen with the 2C-T compounds when they are taken via certain ROAs (e.g. insufflated) or combined with other drugs. And the therapeutic index seems smaller with these than with the halogenated or alkylated 2C-X.

Exactly what I meant and was looking for, thank you.

 

[ebola?]

Does anyone know if the NBOMe of T-7 carries any of the same health issues as the 2C counterpart?

It's safe to say that no one knows, especially given that the particular mechanism responsible for 2ct7's unique toxicity was never fully discerned (there are a few indications that it didn't end up being a particularly potent MAOI).

It is probably that these are seen with the NBOMe compounds as well, because in the ALEPH series (DOT, DOT-2,4,7 etc) Shulgin says as well that there is a "suggestion of body toxicity", and I do not think that the NBOMe moiety in their analogues would be different enough to change that.

I'm not sure if this inference is entirely warranted, as we can only glean so much from intuitions from a limited number of trip reports. Patterns in SAR seem to differ drastically between the 2Cs and their n-BOMe substituted counterparts, so I'm not sure if we can expect such a pattern to hold.

ebola

 

[Anon0631]

I don't know that much about the 2c-t's. Is 2c-t7 much more toxic than 2c-t2? If so it might be worth perusing 25t2-NBOMe over 25t7-NBOMe.

 

[Solipsis]

Ebola is right and I was not really saying that I knew, but that I was assuming there to be a chance since the NBOMe compounds can have properties that are related to the DOX counterparts, a bit more than the 2C counterparts. That is why I mentioned the Alephs, but it is true that we just do not know. Point is though, that it could still warrant extra slow titration of doses.

Homology of -D / -E / -P or T-1 / T-2 / T-7 substitution patterns can have a SAR or certainly potency relationship that is the other way around with NBOMe's or at least different from the 2C-X, so it is too hard to compare 25T-2 and 25T-7 like that.
Yes, it seems 2C-T-7 had a number of victims while 2C-T-2 had less (or none?), and most delirium-like incidents I know of with 2C-T's were with T-7, although both these compounds can be upsetting for the body causing things like GI issues. But that last property is not necessarily to be called toxicity.

25T-7 could be less problematic than 25T-2 since it has a longer chain and is quite likely less potent.

Just take it all into account as possibilities but let the choice which one to begin with to remain somewhat arbitrary... and the approach of slow titration with ample time (days or weeks) between trips remains the same.

 

[bloodshed344]

Why worry about 25t2 or 25t7? 25t-nbome sounds like a much better idea to me.

 

[Solipsis]

Which is closer to 25D ... not exactly ideal regarding potential side effects (although I cannot compare to 25E), also it is not really fair to propose since 2C-T is not exactly lying around for grabs.

If it was, the 2C-T itself is what I'd want to take.

 

[bloodshed344]

A vendor I am friends with has told me he will have 2C-T soon. I am trying to convince him that 25T-NBOME would be a good venture, but he is scared of possible MAOI activity.