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25i-NBOME, What happened to me?

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Michell

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Hey all! The reason why I registered here is that I need to get some answers to what happened to me last night.

I had tripped 2 weeks ago 25i with 400 ug insuffled. Now yesterday I invited my friend over and we both Insufflated 500 ug. 2 week ago it took about 60-90 minutes to start kick in but yesterday was different:

0.00 - Insufflated 500 ug. Started to to THC e-liquid consumption.
0.02 - The 25i was starting to kick in really hard. I had to give over all my e-liquid equipment to my friend and ask him to do it for me while I have to go lay down to bed.
0.03 - I asked my friend to turn off a psychedelic movie we were watching because it was really starting to get scary. My friend switched it to a children comic serie but I had to ask him to stop it also.
0.05 - It had been 5 minutes since I took this drug. I couldn't focus anything anymore. The walls started to crumble before me. I asked my friend that does he feel anything but he was okay.
0.06 - I started to feel hard to breath. I couldn't hold any of my thoughts longer than 10 second in my mind. I started to panic because last time it had too 90 minute to start (with 400 ug) and now it had been 6 minutes (500ug) and I was losing it.
0.08-0.10 - I asked my friend to hand over the 100 mg ketipinor. I had to get passed out. My friend was confused and took the pills but said that hold on a minute it will pass.
0.15 - 5 minutes I tried to calm my friend but I was starting to feel how the psychosis was starting to take over me. I couldn't breath, all felt like shit around me, it felt like my arms would have started to fall off and I felt like I was covered in blood. My friend said to me when I started to act panicky that whats happening that I breath just fine and there is nothing to be scared of.
0.16 - My friend now came next to me to bed and looked me into the eys and said that "My friend you are not okay anymore. I can see that you are not enjoying this at all." He looked really concerned. I dropped first 100 mg ketipinor in my mouth.
0.20 - I was beginning to lose it. It would have seem like I have had a epilepsy seizure and my friend turned of computer and music. He came sit next to me and said that its okay, we will get you unconscious before he would go home as well. He was tripping mild but was enjoying hes own trip but was really concerned about me.
0.25 - I lost it. I lost everything. I couldn't remember how to breath. I could remember how to do anything. My friend tried to ask questions about my state of mind but all I could say was that "i'm scared. I'm scared, please get me unconscious, don't let me die. I'm scared"
0.30 - Took another 100 mg ketipinor. I had very intense closed - and open eyes visuals. I wasn't able to do anything. All I tried to focus on was how to breath.
0.30-1.00 - For the next 30 minutes I don't remember that much. I just remember I was so fucked up. I had trouble to breath, I was 100% sure that I was going to die. I lied on my bed trying to calm myself.
1.00 - Took third 100 mg ketipinor because I was sill conscious. The next 30 minutes was just like the lasts ones. I just tried to keep my airflow running.
1.30 - It was starting to pass me a little. I was able to stand. I felt like shit. My friend turned on the computer and we started to watch South Park. I was really dizzy because I had 300 mg ketipinor in my blood. I also still couldn't think anything brightly.
2.00 - First episode of South Park passes. I feel little bit better but still really bad. Like there would be something broke inside me. I go back to bed and the next 30 minutes I dont know what happenes.
2.30 - My friend shakes me. I think I might have had fell to sleep. He says me that he is leaving and going to home. I didn't understand hes words very well.
2.35 - I now realize i'm alone. The feelings from the beginning of this trip were coming back. Trouble breathing. Panicking. I was ready to shit myself.
2.45 - Drop 200 mg ketipinor in my mouth. I need to end this trip now.
3.00 - I believe I passed out at this time.


The times below aren't accurate. I was in really bad shape and still cant remember almost anything. Those are just the main thing I remember. 500 ug 25i and 500 mg ketipinor in my blood. I remember how I panicked when I realized that 25i prevents you from falling sleep. Thank good the 500 mg dose of ketipinor dropped me after all. I am still shaking. I have this 25i drug still 18 mg. (mixed in water) 1 drop equals 100 ug. The first time I took this drug was almost life changing. I haven't ever seen anything so beautiful. The dose to that was 400 ug. Now I took 500 ug and here is the result. What happened? How can I prevent this to happen again? Also how do I get myself unconscious while tripping in 25i? Also while tripping in 25i, does it only feel like that you cannot breath or is it really a possible danger? Do I need to even pay attention to breathing or does my body do it for me?

But the main question is. It takes about an hour to start to kick in. How is it possible that with 500 ug doese it takes 2 minutes and my rooms walls are starting to crumble and fall over me? The whole world just morphed after 2 minutes of taking this drug.

If I remember anything new about this last night trip I will update it here.

I apologize that my English isn't 100% accurate.
 
Wow, sounds wonderful! You are okay now Michel, you had bad trip, you suffered, you came out the other side & now you're fine mate! I can see by your writing & by the things you write that you have not got any after-effects to worry about.

So what caused this?

Most likely cause is that of overdose. Is it at all possible that your 25i didnt dissolve in liquid properly, maybe you ate a teeny piece of drug, perhaps 1mg or 2mg that didnt dissolve?

Another psossibility is perhaps the 25i is STILL in your system from last time? The NBOMe family is a band new class of drug & many peculiarities may still come to light regarding their use in humans.

Finally perhaps you simply freaked out & maybe you freaked even before the drug has time to hit you. Some people can feel a drug within 2 mins of taking. This is a Placebo effect. I s'pose it's possible you have a placebo freak-out. Perhaps you have some serious, personal issues in your mind when you took the drug or perhaps the freak-out is for some subconcious reason.

Either way, I hope you will give the Psyches a miss for awhile, until you are sure you are safe to trip again. Also, when you are ready, maybe try something a bit shorter acting, & with a greater safetly margin, such as 2c-c or a 4 Substituted Tryptamine or mushrooms themselves.

Keep well & please return to tell us how you are doing!
 
Several issues here:
How did you insufflate your 25I? Eyedropper? So you took 5 drops, right? all in the same nostril?

Also, drops are not a very accurate way to measure dosages. so your estimation might be severely off.

Finally, as far as I understand, the nasal mucosa is uneven, and it might be possible that certain regions (the olfactory bulb?) allow a compound to freely bypass the blood-brain-barrier. This is very unexplored territory, but it might explain what happened to you, if for some reason a drop entered that region of the nasal cavity. If that is the case, you might rethink about your own physical position when you insufflate the 25I. Were there differences between the 2 times you had it?
 
Thank you for you answets this far.

So first point. My supplier had dissolved 10 mg of NBOME to 5 ml consumption. So I took the same consuption at first time and now at second time. It cannot be caused because of it then. The second of all is that my position was different this time than before. This second time the drop got much more deeper in nose. Also yes I used eyedropper.

It might have been placebo effect I quess but I dont think its the reason. I am very familiar user of psychedelics and I have never ever even got uncomfortable no matter how much I had taken or smoked. Maybe the bloodbarrier thing could explain this? Its because I couldn"t focuse anything, it seemed like my screen turned my room into strobdisko and my body stopped working properly. I haven't felt anything so intense.

Also there is one note I now remember. The one thing that was really disturbing. I felt like I got out of my body, I got list in my mind. I couldn't breath and I didn't know how to get back to my body and start breathing again. My friend yet told me that I didn't stop breathing at any time.
 
You could've juist gone ++++ (mystical experience) and just weren't ready for it. Hell, if I got to that point I wouldn't know what to do, and I feel right at ease with psychedelics nowadays. The fact that NBOMes are mostly recreational probably makes it (the +4) a very uneasy state to be in, it lacks the awe; deep and childlike curiosity of the classics. Thus you are "lost" in there and experienced your freak out, in contrast to gaining a understanding of what you're going through.
 
The biggest thing here is the speed with which the drug hit. Other than the nasal blood/brain thingy, I really cannot see any obvious explanation for this other than dosage! Michell discounts dosage issue because the same mixture was used & in only a 100ug increment.

Odd & interesting!

Hope you're alright Michell!
 
Expect the part about extreme visuals this all sounds like a panic attack.
 
25i and 25c always hit me in 5 mins when i administer nasally.
you just wernt ready for the intense come up. i usually am not either, shit surprises me every time.
 
The only time I even did an nasal dose I was already an hour in to 1 mg sublingual dose and in a good comfort zone. Sublingually it hits me within 15 to 20 minutes of the initial rinse and spit (so 40 minutes from time it touches the underside of my tounge.

I kept it very minimal doing .200 mg per nostril ( probably a bit under ) at a time, and I gotta say it hits very quickly. I was very careful to figure out my drops ahead of time with my liquid syringe to avoid doing too much. The visuals that were appearing in that first hour were intensified within minutes of administration. Basically as the stinging fades the reds blue and greens intensified with vibrance and movement in the OEV's I could not imagine coming in to that from baseline.

Initially there is that desire to redose right away , to see just how far one can push it.... but then you keep in the back of your mind that this is an NBOMe.... this is not to be toyed with...... no need to push anything further.


Apparently according to my wife rectal ROA hits the body high in a rapid sequence as well, with visuals to blend in within the 10 minutes
 
The reason you thought you couldn't breath is simple a panic attack. Also when ive had panic attacks in the past usually due to meth & sleep deprivation, they say they can't kill you, i felt like i was going to die everytime. Couldn't imagine whilst tripping. I agree with si ingwe, try a different psychedelic.
 
yeah i can relate only i had 25-i blotter of an unknown strength and i took 5 hits:/ i posted a trip report also
 
Thank you all for your answers. You really have been helpful and helped me to picture that what happened exactly. I wasn't mentally ready for the trip, trip was dosage too high and I might have token it in wrong position.

So the supplies told me that 1 drop equals 100 ug (not sure if I mentioned this earlier) but I now realize that that aint even close accurate way to measure it. The drop can be tiny small or huge bulb, 50ug-200ug.

I plan to do as you advice me and I shall take a long brake (To be honest 1-2 month, 2 month probably) and on the mealtime I will just consume DMT as it is my favorite psychedelic and just meditate the next couple months.

But what lead me to this choice to take this meditate brake now?

Well it might have been the most stupidest, pretty brave but thank godly it paid me out. To be honest I was just freaking idiot and went with my friend again with this one: (This happened me last night ... I know much a brake eh?)

0.00 - I go to my friend house. I am still a bit shaken from the experience of last 25i but the answers I received from Bluelight had make me feel more comfortable about it and more aware what really happened. We both eat 3 grams of magic mushrooms.
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0.05 - I dont have any feeling yet. I start to think that was this after all so great idea after so bad experience and what 1,2 day break? Well very close friend told me that there would be no danger in shrooms, cause they are from nature. I paid my trust onto this statement and it was correct. I started to smoke/inhale my pretty potent THC e-cig liquid solution.
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0.30 - I start to calm down. The THC clearly helps you to calm down for the trip of DMT.
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0.45 - We are now both laying on the couch. I am having mild visuals and my head feels light but it might have been THC probably. My friend isn't feeling anything and as usual he grows inpatiente of the reasons why I am feeling the drug when hes not.
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1.00 - Hour has passed and for this on. Well as you all know. You cant really describe accurately trip of shrooms if you don't keep a diary with you. The night still went like some about this ..
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1.00-3.00 - The psychedelics waves took us with them to a magical, gently trip of DMT as usual. We talked about our inner feelings a bit, went sauna, just walking outside and doing all sorts of interesting stuff when you are on shrooms. It was again very calming experience. I understood that you don't need to be so f*cking stone of acid to enjoy the trip. Couple grams of shrooms takes you to a calm, beautiful place where you see joy and calm all around you. It stops the clock. You can literally grasp the moment. I also remember that I might have called many of my relatives just to tell how much I acpreciar them. It was as magical as the trip of MDMA. But no more of the trip of shrooms. We all know it, you can't really explain it to anyone else because its always difference. The reason why I posted this second trip report is the what happened next.
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3.00-3.30 - We are starting to be tired. The visuals are starting to fade gently away when we get this most stupid idea ever. "Hey what if we don't college and work tomorrow but lets go get the 5,1 mg of DOC from your places?" We thought this idea about 5 mins but I don't know. All I can say that people are irresponsible of shrooms because we went and did it. I went home, get all my acid's with me and we returned to my friend house.
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3.30 - We split the DOC's and we both consume 2.55 mg of DOC on blotters. We let them dissolve in our moth and start to watch the one and only "Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas".
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3.50 - Its past the midnight. My friend grows impatience of lacking of experiences. He tries to play hes computer came called "LoL - League Of Legends". I don't find that much joy in virtyal games so I go wandering around the house, watching windows, plants, walls, floors, laying on carpenters and just relaxing.
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4.10 - Its odd, the shrooms are starting to fade away and I don't feel that much of DOC effects either. My friend ditches me and goes to sleep as disappointment of DOC effects. I go back to the room where the musics are and I go lie down as well.
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4.10-5.00 - I lie a little bit under hour in bed. I can't fall asleep. The Armin Van Buuren sounds magical and I start to feel the energy of DOC flowing through me. Then it strikes again. The same almost that hit on 25i. I get really bad vibes. And I mean really uncomfortable. The world doesn't collapse this time. The joy of live does. It start to think that is this where it has gone? I studied, went to work and got a life and this is all I got in my hand? Sadness and only thing bringing interest to my live are these dangerous research chemicals? It is the most worst depression wave I have ever comforted. I got stumbled before it. But then the magical effect of DOC takes places. I became to see that my defense-mechanism has been removed and all the sorrows of my live has comforted me. But as inspired as DOC I began to think about it. I go deeper and deeper back to my history and not to tell that much more about it I got through it. It feels good. I got all, I mean all the things on my mind cleared just by thinking them through clearly with the aid of DOC. And this all took place under an hour. It seemed like 2-3 hour that time and was really uncomfortable state but I was proud that I got through it just by the power of my own mind.
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5.00-7.00 - I leave the room. The house looks different. I go back to computer and find out that onset of DOC can be really long (1-3 hour). The trip is just starting. I got sitting front of pool, with calm Asian classical music on behind. I just meditate. I just think life, its purposes etc. through for entirely 2 hour. Well what did I figured out? Well I can say that I didn't figure out purpose of live. Expect that to be happy and joy it. I begin to realize how important it is to human being and for its mind to take a day or two to just calm itself down from the reality and just chill couple days like loading battery's back.
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7.00-9.00 - Can't really much remember anything about this time. I stumbled around house and took a staring contest with a dog. It is pretty intense in DOC I can say. The world if magical. I go to watch South Park. I watch 3 episodes it and enjoyed every second.
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9.00-10.00 - 10 hours I have been on psychedelic trip and there is no end to it yet soon. Well the next idea is maybe not the wisest one. I decide to go hiking out. It was pretty beautiful journey. All the snow and lamps. But it came out that I had been following a granny over 20 minutes with this super active freaky acid smile on my face and he had been just trying to walk faster and faster away from me when I suddenly saw that he started to scream and run panicky away. I stand stumbled and just said out loud that "I was trying to admire the beautiful of this world, why it it so darn scary to the rest of you people? Can't a man take a nice walk and just relax?" Well it came out that he can't . Not 5 am morning chasing a freaked out granny. I do fell really sorry about this and I can assure that it wasn't the purpose of my hiking trip.
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10.00-10.30 - I come back to my friend house and watch one more South Park episode. I ran back because I really didn't want to stay outside waiting for police patrol to come and ask me to explain my behavior.
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10.30-11.00 - It morning. The times of this trip report might have gone a little bit wrong but as you can imagine it isn't that a surprise when I am writing this out of my memory just about 20 hours of starting this trip. This 30 minutes I spent to something really risky. Now when I think about it this is the only part I remorse. I decide to take 1 mg of 25i-NBOME. I dropped about 4 drops on glass table and sniffed, 4 other on my nose and the last 2 I managed to get inside my nose somehow. It might have been a bit over or under 1 mg. The reason why I took the big dose was the high tolerance of NBOME.
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11.00 - Right here where I am typing this (about 20.00) - The 1 mg of NBOME hits fast. Not so intense because of the tolerance. I keep wathing South Park. I see how the NBOME brakes the reality. I can't seem to figure out about anything anymore. I don't get that intense visuals and I suffer a mild unsettling of this drug. It has been said that his is really hard drug to calm in. I just crawl all around the rooms just trying to find the good spot to watch the South Park. This goes on for an hour or two. My friends wake up. He comes to room and because he skipped the whole acid trip he seems to be pretty overwhelmed when he find his friend just crawling a hole to wall and talking about how you need to calm down and life is brilliant. I can't really remember what I meant by them. He leaves the house and hoes to work. I stay home and watch the next 4-5 hour of South Park and movies just trying to find a piece of mind in this lousy world. It its still pretty nice trip. Only thing that has come to concern me is that I had been tripping about 16-20 hours row and I really needed some reality from instance. Well the time passes, I walk home and come to computer and write this, still inspired as NBOME. Or maybe just because it is really energetic psychedelic.

So a tight packing of night chemicals:

3 mg DMT
2.55 mg DOC
1 mg NBOME
and THC whole time until NBOME when it let it rest stand.


Well what is my conclusion of this almost 24 hour of trip? It is that anyone who claims to have found a answer to live in acid, or got a touch in god is just fool. Most people forget that most psychedelics mimics the effect of psychosis. Yes you might have got all sort of stuff figured out. But when you next day think about it. You found god and answers to your live, in reality you found out at a god dam doorknob can open a door and it consolidate 2 rooms together for a moment when the door is open.
But what can you really learn on psychedelics on my opinion? Its not answers to live or anything that kind, it reminds you to appreciate the life around you, to appreciate the moment where you are with your current state of life and just take a long inhale of oxygen and just calm the darn down form the business of this world and laugh.



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I know this wasn't the best plan. But I must give it to myself. It could have got much worse. This was pretty in lighting experience of just relaxing and now I can take a long break from psychedelics (expect shrooms maybe!) with a good state of mind.
Not sure did anyone reading this understand anything. I am still party on NBOME and this screen is waving damn too much. I thank god the Bluelights auto correct. But to be honest. This was so stunning experience that it might take a while for me to even understand it myself.
 
I didn't read the full thread, but it's clear that what happened was because of the route of administration.

drops from an eye dropper greatly varies in size. It's a totally reckless way of dosing and at least one death has been caused by this ROA before.

You're lucky you didn't die.
 
Fagott said:
I didn't read the full thread, but it's clear that what happened was because of the route of administration.

drops from an eye dropper greatly varies in size. It's a totally reckless way of dosing and at least one death has been caused by this ROA before.

You're lucky you didn't die.
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Shit, I often dilute powerful chems using the drop method & have done so on a number of ocassions without problem! Was this fatality due to a liquid mixture of an NBOMe? Do you have a link or citation to back this up, I'm just curious, not nit-picking.

I think one of the problems with drop measurements is that people don't dilute their compound enough, meaning it takes only one or two drops for an active dose. When I've done this I make certain that I'm getting approx 50ug per drop & once you've used say 20 drops, any difference in drop size is evened out. I'm sure the ml method of dilution is more accurate & I'll use that next time I dilute anything into a mixture.
 
It could very well have been an overdose, and apparently some people are sensitive to 25X compounds in a way that can kill them while others are fine taking much larger doses.

Personally I don't trust the rapid onset of insufflating compounds like this and if I ever do them again I will only do sublingual.

This sunday I did LSD and had breathing problems a bit similar to this but much less intense, it was when I tried to meditate and soon the effects would grow overwhelming. I am unwilling to call it a ++++ what I as working towards but let's leave it at transcendental. It was hard to let go and prepare for something like that and the conflict in myself made my breathing uneven.
An uneven breathing tempo can be directly associated with a panic state. From all sounds of it you panicked because the effects were considerably stronger than you were expecting. An extra reason for that can be that you did not actually absorb all the 400 ug the previous time you tried it.

Who of us can say if you are one of the sensitive people or not. If you are, it could possibly have been threatening, but it is also quite possible you just got stuck in panic mode. It happens.

Either don't take a 25X again or if you must, do a much lower dose and start working your way up again from the bottom. You can consider sublingual dosing and making larger volumes per dose than drops (which are indeed not consistent but I don't think the variance is HUGE either), but the downside is that sublingual dosing can make you lose an unknown amount by swallowing so it is difficult to know for sure how much you absorbed and how far along you are working your way up with dosages.
You could throw in HPBCD or another surfactant to speed up absorption. But lower the doses even more just to be sure ("more" sure).

On the one hand I am tempted by the amazing effects ascribed to 25I-NBOMe but on the other hand I don't really trust NBOMe compounds a whole lot.
 
I think the issue with 25i is that it last so long for many people and shorter for others. Which makes me believe that the their must be a lot of batches that more potent than others. My one experience last 14 hours and went from mystical to overwhelming. I still have mixed memories of it. My wife didn't get the negative effects like I did so it may also just be a body type thing as well.
 
tomdpimp said:
I think the issue with 25i is that it last so long for many people and shorter for others. Which makes me believe that the their must be a lot of batches that more potent than others. My one experience last 14 hours and went from mystical to overwhelming.
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14 hours? That doesn't sound right at all; that sounds rather like a member of the DOx series. 25I's duration is closer to 6-10 hours, and that's being generous; if the experience lasted longer than 10 hours I'd be very concerned that the product received wasn't as advertised.

To the OP: I'd have to agree with the others about having a panic attack due to the abrupt come-up. I would also recommend finding a more accurate way to dose; if you know exactly how much you're dosing, you'll be less likely to panic.
 
6 to 10 sounds dead on target to me, 14 hours sounds like you may have consumed too much. each time I did 1mg the trip itself lasted a good 8, with me being back 100% to baseline in 10.. or asleep before then. Last time I did it my wife and I skipped dinner, wound up pretty famished and got some food late and then crashed.

-that was the way to go for us anyway.
 
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