biffhenderson
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I will have the opportunity to try several X-NBOMe compounds with magic mushrooms in the not too distant future which I have "high" hopes for. Boom Flipping anyone?
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[25I-NBOMe Subthread] Combinations
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tregar
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I've been experimenting with this combination for several months...and find it really incredible.
I took 10mg of 4-aco-dmt along with 50mcg (yes, that is only 50 mcg of 25i) and HPBCD complexed 25i-nbome held under tongue for 20minutes...and it does indeed rock at these dosages...it is quite a remarkable trip at this dosage...the 50mcg of 25i-nbome is "just enough" to "light up" the 4-aco-dmt workspace....serotonin firing is still shut down by the 4-aco-dmt (which is what we want)..the intensity of all the colors is quite intense....my favorite thing to do on this combination is just listen to music for hours on end....really very nice indeed. I save 450mg of mescaline for a real deep trip once a month, but this combination is like a small "mini-trip" i can take on a day off inbetween....it is really quite close to acid in all it's effects...i've always thought the visual 5-ht2a agonism of 4-aco-dmt has been quite low, but it can be corrected with just the teeniest tiny dose of 25i-nbome (and this was not a typo, that is 50mcg of 25i, which is less than 100mcg of 25i-nbome!)...this is quite a perfect trip in and of itself....100% mind manifesting, the 25i-nbome adds a euphoric edge, visual intensification, human psychological insight, emotional connectod-ness....there is absolutely no vasoconstriction felt anwhere with this minute dose of 25i-nbome added....the heart or pulse rate could be felt picking up for about 5 minutes when the 25i kicked in at about 45 minutes after laying it down on the tongue...but even this slight pulse elevation quickly died down in no time. Remarkable combination at this dose. reminds me so very much of a 100ug acid dose, these 2 RC's when combined correctly, is truly out of this world mystical mind-manifesting glory, very euphoric as well.
I took 10mg of 4-aco-dmt along with 50mcg (yes, that is only 50 mcg of 25i) and HPBCD complexed 25i-nbome held under tongue for 20minutes...and it does indeed rock at these dosages...it is quite a remarkable trip at this dosage...the 50mcg of 25i-nbome is "just enough" to "light up" the 4-aco-dmt workspace....serotonin firing is still shut down by the 4-aco-dmt (which is what we want)..the intensity of all the colors is quite intense....my favorite thing to do on this combination is just listen to music for hours on end....really very nice indeed. I save 450mg of mescaline for a real deep trip once a month, but this combination is like a small "mini-trip" i can take on a day off inbetween....it is really quite close to acid in all it's effects...i've always thought the visual 5-ht2a agonism of 4-aco-dmt has been quite low, but it can be corrected with just the teeniest tiny dose of 25i-nbome (and this was not a typo, that is 50mcg of 25i, which is less than 100mcg of 25i-nbome!)...this is quite a perfect trip in and of itself....100% mind manifesting, the 25i-nbome adds a euphoric edge, visual intensification, human psychological insight, emotional connectod-ness....there is absolutely no vasoconstriction felt anwhere with this minute dose of 25i-nbome added....the heart or pulse rate could be felt picking up for about 5 minutes when the 25i kicked in at about 45 minutes after laying it down on the tongue...but even this slight pulse elevation quickly died down in no time. Remarkable combination at this dose. reminds me so very much of a 100ug acid dose, these 2 RC's when combined correctly, is truly out of this world mystical mind-manifesting glory, very euphoric as well.
TheArchitect
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did you finish that trip report cryptix ?. id love to hear what it was like. might be trying it at some point
cryptix420
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^ I haven't finished it quite yet. I tried to PM it to you but it was too long so I'll just post it here -
.......We got back to the hotel, this is around 10pm. We each ate what looked like 1/3 of the aMT (so ~10mg each) and stuck 3 of the blotters on our gums ( ~3mg each of 25i). I knew we were in for something hardcore, as I was getting visuals at the half hour mark. Strong visuals. 25i usually takes a good two hours to start manifesting for me, so this was somewhat frightening. Ralph claimed he was bummed and he was having nothing happen yet (lol n00b), but I reassured him and advised he just wait before taking more. The best I could do I suppose after risking both our lives combining a new, extremely potent, unknown psychedelic with a soviet anti-depressant known for having a dark side.
I was feeling the effects coming on uncomfortably hard, so I suggested we go lay down. Once we laid down, ralph realized how hard he was also tripping. VISUALS. Visuals of the like I have never even imagined to be possible for one to experience, this was b.a.l.l.s. o.u.t. tripping. Keep in mind we are not even an hour into the trip at this point. I could see my entire soul/energy/aura being expelled into the room. Vibrant colors of maroon/pink, turquoise, and yellow (concurrent with my past trips with LSD/25i..I always see these colors) all pulsating, no, rippling is a better word. It was like rings emanating from my being, one layer of rings pinkish, then bluish, then yellow, and on and on in that patters. WAVES of energy coming out of me. I had tried to explain this sort of thing to ralph before, how psychedelics enabled one to actually SEE energy, but now he was really getting the point! Here is where things began to take a somewhat sinister turn.
My ex-girlfriend (a recurring thought in this trip) popped into my head. She had always told me that ralph was simply trying to break us up so he could have me all to himself, and I was an idiot for not seeing it. I always whole-heartedly denied it, thinking ralph had only the purest intentions (naive I suppose). I realized at this moment that there might be some truth to it. Here I was, cut off from her, in his hotel room, completely under his…what word do I use? Well, he definitely had me all to himself, and it couldn't be an a more intense way. Once this thought came up, there was no ignoring it. I even saw the energy between ralph and myself, it started very colorful and we were one person at our feet, but then moving up it started to split and we became separate entities where the unsaid things lie. The sexual tension so to speak. I confronted him on this issue, albeit hesitantly, considering all he has helped me with. Despite anything else, he sincerely has offered much wisdom and helped me achieve a huge amount of personal/spiritual growth. He initially denied that there was any truth to what I was saying. This is where shit really started getting sick & twisted. He began putting out negative energy towards me (I don't know if he was whispering negative phrases, I think that's what was happening), and I could see each wave of energy coming from his body and feel it's negative impact. I told him "I know what you are doing. I feel the negative energy you are putting out. I can literally SEE it. and it HURTS." After this, ralph looked around, and compared the waves of negative energy he was putting out to the rest of the energy in the room. He stated "I can't believe you're putting out ALL THIS" somewhat implying the powerful energy of my soul, if I can be so obtuse. We could literally see all this around us, it was as tangible as this keyboard I am typing on. No space, just nothing but pure energy. It was a very intense state of existence.
We thought it might be good to go for a walk at this point. The energy in the room was simply too much to handle. These issues that had come up were extremely sensitive, and we were also in very delicate, near psychotic states of mind. Once outside, we looked about at the visuals for a little, and then the issues represented themselves. I asked him straight up if there was truth to any of what my ex-girlfriend had claimed for so long. He had to walk away and sat in his car after I confronted him with this. After getting out of the car, he walked over to me, and proceeded to lie his ass off. I could not have seen through him more clearly than you can see through sedan wrap on leftover spaghetti. I am very good at reading people, and this sense was heightened to an extreme. All the classic signs of lying (looking to the left, covering the face, etc.) as he told me "There is NOTHING true about ANY of that" I told him to his face I could see right through him. I knew he was lying. He continued to try and lie, and he is a very good liar, but not THAT good. When it came down to it, he simply asked me how I could tell? I tried to describe the micro expressions that were magnified as they made their way through the energy between us and into my eye, I could just pick up on the TINIEST things. I am not trying to sound arrogant, but I don't know how to describe this very well. It reminds of the TV show 'lie to me' if you've ever watched it. Once he knew I could not be fooled, we kind of moved on past talking about my ex. I told him I know I must take responsibility, as I did do the breaking up and our relationship had it's faults (like any) but the issue was definitely not resolved. I had seen a very dark side of ralph come out that I never knew existed. We stood up, and as I looked at him I could see DECADES of stifled energy SCREAMING to get out of every crack and crevice it could possible escape from. You see, ralph is a closeted homosexual, and missed out on his whole youth of sexuality by living lie. Then getting married, trying to do what was right I suppose, just led to a lifetime of the real ralph being suffocated and completely deprived of existing. I cannot describe in words the intensity of this energy coming out of him. The LOOK in his eyes!! My god!! The like I have NEVER seen in a man's eyes. I stated how crazy it was that this whole ex-gf was exploding out of me, and it was only a few months of stifled emotion. I told him I can't imagine years of it. He just looked at me, and his lip was quivering the most utmost sadness and a tear in his eyes. This is still while all this energy is just coming out of him, like one of those surprise jack-in-a-box toys. The energy had found an outlet, and it was not going to stop.
We walked back up to the hotel room, and it was just a completely different air. Our relationship had changed, permanently. Honesty seems to have that effect, whether for better or worse. Even walking up the stairs to the room, I felt some weird vibe, like he knew for sure sex was never going to happen again, and walking behind me up the stairs didn't have quite the same excitement anymore. This could also have just been my tripping brain at work. We got back into the hotel room, and it could not have been more…stale. We had said a lot, but really worked through nothing. Being back in the room was like suffocating. He went to lay down on the bed, and I lingered in the front room for a bit. I felt like being in a different room than him, but I went against it and went into the room after him, perhaps imagining we would have some productive discussion. Things at this point are a bit hazy. There was a very tense air in the room. I almost want to go as far as to say there was some level of non-verbal, psychic communication occurring between us at this point. The details are muddy here, but I will do my best. There was some back and forth thought about ralph snapping, in a psychotic way. He had made several comments about he was just 'ready for it all to end' and other suicidal/end of life sort of statements. First, I feared ralph was, quite literally, giving up on life, and was going to die in front of my eyes. He had a very pale look and I was fucking terrified at what might happen and what I would do if the worst occurred. He seemed very psychotic, for lack of a better word, but who am I to talk? (a little background I forgot to include here…ralph is quite avid about personal firearm possession. Self defense or whatever the fuck he tries to call it. He has made comments since I have known him [in joking or passing or what have you] about being a very good shot with a gun, about all his outings with his wife to the shooting range, just general quips about firearms that are in retrospect quite disturbing) At this point I felt something passed between our mind-connection, something along the lines of how fast he could flip into a killer, that this man was really a fucking KILLER and had this insane personality I had never even been aware of. I swear I remember him saying out loud "silence is deafening" which sent me on a dark thought train thinking of him pulling out a silenced pistol from the dresser drawer and killing me with nobody ever knowing the better. He had taken the one person out of my life who truly loved me, and here I was, in his hotel room, with the 'do not disturb' on the door, and he was going to fucking kill me. The tension was unbelievable. I asked him…"are you going to murder me???" to which he exclaimed "why would i wanna murder you?! I thought YOU were gonna murder ME!!" at this point I felt the insanity was obvious and I had to get the fuck OUT OF THERE. There was a moment of 'the dots connecting' so to speak, and this whole elaborate plot (or so I thought) became obvious to me. I got up, and ran out of the hotel room as fast as I possibly could. I sprinted down the hallway, and heard him opening the door to come after me (later he told me he looked out and only barely saw me as I turned the corner, wondering what he had said/done to make me leave) this furthered scared the shit out of me, and I began running for my life. I think I screamed for help a couple times while running down this flight of stairs (of course we were on the top floor) and eventually made my way to the bottom and outside. I stopped in the lobby to desperately try and call my ex-girlfriend, to no avail, the guy at the desk looked at me like I was a lunatic when I told him someone on the hotel was trying to murder me. I was obviously whacked out of my mind I guess. I sprinted away from the hotel, literally running for my life. I felt so stupid!! Like all this progress in my life had been nothing but a bunch of bullshit, I couldn't believe I had been so naive to believe this man was actually trying to help me, when really it was just a sick plot to murder me and then end his own life. (I know how crazy this must all sound…believe me I still can barely make heads or tails of the experience. These are powerful substances.)
It was probably around 1am at this point. I was putting as much distance between myself and ralph as possible. At first, I thought I had heard a gunshot, and imagined that ralph had killed himself. I live near the coast, so there was a lighthouse in my visibility for several minutes after leaving the hotel. It has a blue and red light that spin around, which sent me into a whole other string of sinister thoughts & hallucinations. I imagined how they had purposefully put those colors of lights on the light house, to keep people in check, as they reminded me of a cop car each time they flashed. I was seeing all of these cops pull up in the businesses and parking lots I was coming towards, I saw a whole line of police lining up in front of, as if I was a hostage being released from a high intensity situation, like you see in the movies. When I came closer though, none of these things were real. My god though, I believed all those police were there. At first I ran into the bushes, trying to sneak past what I thought were all these cops, as I just wanted to get to my ex-girlfriend or a phone to call her and didn't want to be taken in custody (arrested by hallucinations, that would be a new one. I have been arrested a few times for marijuana related offenses, probably a large contributor to the nature of the fear I was experiencing. All of a sudden all these businesses, even the Carls. Jr and the gas station, transformed into what I thought were secret government operations. Ralph has planned it perfectly I thought, so even when I tried to run I would encounter all this resistance, knowing I am fearful of government authority. I stopped at the smaller gas station that had a friendly vibe and asked the guy at the red box to use his cellphone. I called my ex and got her voicemail (understandably..) so I left her a message telling her I loved her, that she was right all along about ralph and that I didn't know what the fuck was going on, but I loved her. I told her I thought I was going to be killed, and I was dead serious. I then left and began my voyage to….well I don't know where I was going. I was just getting away from ralph. I stopped at an ATM to try and withdraw as much money as I could, but the ATM required my ID for the amount I was trying to take out, and as such I could not get any money out.
At this time, I began running again. It frightened me to realize how dependent on ralph I had become. It was some comfort to know I have a good job, but that job alone could not support my current lifestyle. I began running again (also I left the hotel barefoot so I was hobbit style the entire night) and was more or less in a drug-induced, psychotic, frenzied panic. I began shedding everything that reminded me of ralph; the jeans I had on that he had bought me (with my apartment key inside no less), the glasses which I depended on to see properly, even the nice shirt he had gotten em that same day. I was out in the middle of the night, ind the middle of town, in my boxers and a white t-shirt. This seemed somewhat inconsequential at the time, as I was sure I was going to be killed. Realizing that I still had not put enough distance between us, I had the thought 'I must really run for my life right now. How much effort I put forth into this is showing me how much my life is worth to me.' So I ran faster than I ever have in my 22 years of existence. Everything turned to a blur around me, I could hear the wind rushing past my ears and into my mouth which was gasping for air, everything far in the distance became extremely clear and I sprinted like a fucking Olympic athlete. Once I felt I could go no more, I slowed down. I felt I had seriously fucked up my leg, and my body was starting to feel spent. My leg was in so much discomfort I could no longer run, I had to hobble along. I didn't notice until hours later when I finally stopped that I actually had a huge gash in the heel of both of my feet, who knows what the hell I stepped on. Each time a car would drive by, I would hit the deck, fearing it was ralph in his car coming to kill me, sniper-assassin style. I felt I could see the laser pointer coming from his gun every time I would see a red light, each time just waiting for it all to end, wondering what death was going to be like, feeling so sad for all that I hadn't accomplished and knowing I could have done so much more in this life had I simply put forth the effort!! All this time I had everything I needed inside of me to succeed, I'd just been lazing around half-assing everything my whole life, wasting all of this potential, wasting the precious gift of life given to me by the Universe. At one point, I came into an area where I could hear a lot of frogs ribbiting. It reminded me of earlier in the day, when ralph had told me he'd had tons of warts in his lifetime. I joked, asking if he'd kissed too many frogs. I felt I had an epiphany, and knew that frogs were not a friend of ralphs, and I could seek comfort with them. I stopped and crouched down on one knee, and the most beautiful thing happened. I began communicating with nature, I became one with the frogs! When I would consciously put out positive energy from my being, I could hear and feel the ribbiting grow louder, stronger, more melodic, more happy. I realized how much our energy affects everything around us, and how important it is to be positive. I don't feel like I'm doing a great job describing this part, because it was very profound for me. I became a 100% believer in spirituality at this point. I realized the Universe is giving us cues and messages all the time, always talking to us, all we have to do is listen, just pay attention. Whether it's dreams, birds chirping, or simply the beautiful flowers on your walk to work, it all means something. I have never felt so in touch with nature, and I've always considered myself the hippie type who loved the outdoors and all things to do with Mother Earth, but this was a whole new level of realizing how connected we all are. Humans, trees, the sun, the frogs, the grass, ALL of it. We are all one.
After spending some time with the frogs, I began walking again. I started to notice all these ways the Earth was a part of my trip. I swear every emotion I was feeling was in sync with something around me. The street lights flashing or the signs on the crosswalk, all the animal sounds, every little movement took on so much more meaning. I experienced an incredible feeling of absolute love wash over me. As I was walking, something about the way the visuals and everything were coming together made me think of how we have evolved over such an incredibly long period of time to become these sentient, unique, intelligent, imperfect beings having this Earthly experience. It is such a gift!! I thought about all my imperfections in a positive light for the first time ever. I have a nervous tic where I blink my left eye much more than my right (it comes and goes, I'm not quite sure what causes it), and it just causes a lot of distress for me. But at this moment, it was different!! I saw myself as this completely unique human being, this energy force that had punched though the cosmic barrier, just for a little while, to have this human experience. When one punches through this energy barrier, it is bound to be imperfect. We are going to have the weather the storm we call life, and there will be much pain and resistance. Resistance and friction is the nature of the universe, the nature of things to push back, I'm not sure if I'm getting this across well lol so bear with me. There was something in my mind thinking how I had come through this barrier, and that because of the way that it happens, there had to be balance to it. There had to be 'another half'. I don't quite know what got me to thinking this, I just felt that we really all do have a soulmate, that other 50% to us. I wish I remembered it more clearly, but alas, some of the most profound moments of trips are also the most difficult to recall properly.
I had veered off of the main road somehow, and ended up 100% lost. I am very familiar with this whole area I was in, but yet hadn't the slightest clue where I was. It was at this point that I began to believe I had died. I did not when or how it had happened, but I thought I was now a ghost. The visuals I were having did not fit into the category of tripping in my opinion at the time, they were too real. "This.." I thought.. "This is the after-life. The Other. I am a soul walking the Earth." It was incredible cold outside, but I did not realize this. I thought my coldness was due to being dead, I thought "this is what all that cold talk is about when people are dying.." i.e. you know in a movie, you see someone dying, and they're like "its so cold…" I also could not feel my heart beating. I am usually very aware of my body and especially my heart, as a have a generally high level of baseline anxiety. This is what confirmed I was dead in my mind. My heart, that warm, loving, life giving organ was gone, taken from me. I became very depressed and layed down on the pavement. I sprawled out, hoping soon my soul would leave this Earth, as the cold was so painful, and I was in extreme discomfort. I thought maybe I had gone to hell. and that is what hell was really like. Pure sensation, an eternal grating of the nerves..I thought back to laying in my bed, greedily pulling a down comforter over me, not even appreciating the ability to simply BE. To just 'exist' and be warm and alive and comfortable. I had been such a fool in my life, so ungrateful. I felt I was now slowly drifting apart, that I was being slowly disassembled. With each bit of energy I would expend, I would become that much closer to re-integrating into the Universal pool of energy that all things are made of. I felt a sensation that I imagined to be paramedics trying to save my life, using defibrillators. It was a highly electric sensation, I felt with each surge I could see my blood vessels surge momentarily, I thought I could vaguely make out the faces of loved ones all around me; but it was too late. I was too far gone, too close to the white light. I was not coming back, and they had to let me go. It was sad, thinking of all the hardship between my ex-girlfriend and I that would never be resolved, thinking of my mom wondering how her son had gotten involved in prostitution and wasted such a potentially great life, thinking of all my new coworkers in disbelief that the new guy had been killed over the weekend, my new roommates struggling to make rent as I just dropped off the face of the Earth. I mourned all the people I would never get to hug and hold again, the people I should have told so much more that I loved them. Love is so important, it is the most important thing on this Earth. I may be getting a bit sentimental, but really, we must learn to love one another. We have become so disenfranchised from our fellow humans, which isn't being helped at all by the abundance of technology and dehumanizing things like Facebook and twitter. Let's talk to each other face to face again! Hug! Hold hands! Look each other in the eye and say I LOVE YOU!! It makes the world go 'round.
.......We got back to the hotel, this is around 10pm. We each ate what looked like 1/3 of the aMT (so ~10mg each) and stuck 3 of the blotters on our gums ( ~3mg each of 25i). I knew we were in for something hardcore, as I was getting visuals at the half hour mark. Strong visuals. 25i usually takes a good two hours to start manifesting for me, so this was somewhat frightening. Ralph claimed he was bummed and he was having nothing happen yet (lol n00b), but I reassured him and advised he just wait before taking more. The best I could do I suppose after risking both our lives combining a new, extremely potent, unknown psychedelic with a soviet anti-depressant known for having a dark side.
I was feeling the effects coming on uncomfortably hard, so I suggested we go lay down. Once we laid down, ralph realized how hard he was also tripping. VISUALS. Visuals of the like I have never even imagined to be possible for one to experience, this was b.a.l.l.s. o.u.t. tripping. Keep in mind we are not even an hour into the trip at this point. I could see my entire soul/energy/aura being expelled into the room. Vibrant colors of maroon/pink, turquoise, and yellow (concurrent with my past trips with LSD/25i..I always see these colors) all pulsating, no, rippling is a better word. It was like rings emanating from my being, one layer of rings pinkish, then bluish, then yellow, and on and on in that patters. WAVES of energy coming out of me. I had tried to explain this sort of thing to ralph before, how psychedelics enabled one to actually SEE energy, but now he was really getting the point! Here is where things began to take a somewhat sinister turn.
My ex-girlfriend (a recurring thought in this trip) popped into my head. She had always told me that ralph was simply trying to break us up so he could have me all to himself, and I was an idiot for not seeing it. I always whole-heartedly denied it, thinking ralph had only the purest intentions (naive I suppose). I realized at this moment that there might be some truth to it. Here I was, cut off from her, in his hotel room, completely under his…what word do I use? Well, he definitely had me all to himself, and it couldn't be an a more intense way. Once this thought came up, there was no ignoring it. I even saw the energy between ralph and myself, it started very colorful and we were one person at our feet, but then moving up it started to split and we became separate entities where the unsaid things lie. The sexual tension so to speak. I confronted him on this issue, albeit hesitantly, considering all he has helped me with. Despite anything else, he sincerely has offered much wisdom and helped me achieve a huge amount of personal/spiritual growth. He initially denied that there was any truth to what I was saying. This is where shit really started getting sick & twisted. He began putting out negative energy towards me (I don't know if he was whispering negative phrases, I think that's what was happening), and I could see each wave of energy coming from his body and feel it's negative impact. I told him "I know what you are doing. I feel the negative energy you are putting out. I can literally SEE it. and it HURTS." After this, ralph looked around, and compared the waves of negative energy he was putting out to the rest of the energy in the room. He stated "I can't believe you're putting out ALL THIS" somewhat implying the powerful energy of my soul, if I can be so obtuse. We could literally see all this around us, it was as tangible as this keyboard I am typing on. No space, just nothing but pure energy. It was a very intense state of existence.
We thought it might be good to go for a walk at this point. The energy in the room was simply too much to handle. These issues that had come up were extremely sensitive, and we were also in very delicate, near psychotic states of mind. Once outside, we looked about at the visuals for a little, and then the issues represented themselves. I asked him straight up if there was truth to any of what my ex-girlfriend had claimed for so long. He had to walk away and sat in his car after I confronted him with this. After getting out of the car, he walked over to me, and proceeded to lie his ass off. I could not have seen through him more clearly than you can see through sedan wrap on leftover spaghetti. I am very good at reading people, and this sense was heightened to an extreme. All the classic signs of lying (looking to the left, covering the face, etc.) as he told me "There is NOTHING true about ANY of that" I told him to his face I could see right through him. I knew he was lying. He continued to try and lie, and he is a very good liar, but not THAT good. When it came down to it, he simply asked me how I could tell? I tried to describe the micro expressions that were magnified as they made their way through the energy between us and into my eye, I could just pick up on the TINIEST things. I am not trying to sound arrogant, but I don't know how to describe this very well. It reminds of the TV show 'lie to me' if you've ever watched it. Once he knew I could not be fooled, we kind of moved on past talking about my ex. I told him I know I must take responsibility, as I did do the breaking up and our relationship had it's faults (like any) but the issue was definitely not resolved. I had seen a very dark side of ralph come out that I never knew existed. We stood up, and as I looked at him I could see DECADES of stifled energy SCREAMING to get out of every crack and crevice it could possible escape from. You see, ralph is a closeted homosexual, and missed out on his whole youth of sexuality by living lie. Then getting married, trying to do what was right I suppose, just led to a lifetime of the real ralph being suffocated and completely deprived of existing. I cannot describe in words the intensity of this energy coming out of him. The LOOK in his eyes!! My god!! The like I have NEVER seen in a man's eyes. I stated how crazy it was that this whole ex-gf was exploding out of me, and it was only a few months of stifled emotion. I told him I can't imagine years of it. He just looked at me, and his lip was quivering the most utmost sadness and a tear in his eyes. This is still while all this energy is just coming out of him, like one of those surprise jack-in-a-box toys. The energy had found an outlet, and it was not going to stop.
We walked back up to the hotel room, and it was just a completely different air. Our relationship had changed, permanently. Honesty seems to have that effect, whether for better or worse. Even walking up the stairs to the room, I felt some weird vibe, like he knew for sure sex was never going to happen again, and walking behind me up the stairs didn't have quite the same excitement anymore. This could also have just been my tripping brain at work. We got back into the hotel room, and it could not have been more…stale. We had said a lot, but really worked through nothing. Being back in the room was like suffocating. He went to lay down on the bed, and I lingered in the front room for a bit. I felt like being in a different room than him, but I went against it and went into the room after him, perhaps imagining we would have some productive discussion. Things at this point are a bit hazy. There was a very tense air in the room. I almost want to go as far as to say there was some level of non-verbal, psychic communication occurring between us at this point. The details are muddy here, but I will do my best. There was some back and forth thought about ralph snapping, in a psychotic way. He had made several comments about he was just 'ready for it all to end' and other suicidal/end of life sort of statements. First, I feared ralph was, quite literally, giving up on life, and was going to die in front of my eyes. He had a very pale look and I was fucking terrified at what might happen and what I would do if the worst occurred. He seemed very psychotic, for lack of a better word, but who am I to talk? (a little background I forgot to include here…ralph is quite avid about personal firearm possession. Self defense or whatever the fuck he tries to call it. He has made comments since I have known him [in joking or passing or what have you] about being a very good shot with a gun, about all his outings with his wife to the shooting range, just general quips about firearms that are in retrospect quite disturbing) At this point I felt something passed between our mind-connection, something along the lines of how fast he could flip into a killer, that this man was really a fucking KILLER and had this insane personality I had never even been aware of. I swear I remember him saying out loud "silence is deafening" which sent me on a dark thought train thinking of him pulling out a silenced pistol from the dresser drawer and killing me with nobody ever knowing the better. He had taken the one person out of my life who truly loved me, and here I was, in his hotel room, with the 'do not disturb' on the door, and he was going to fucking kill me. The tension was unbelievable. I asked him…"are you going to murder me???" to which he exclaimed "why would i wanna murder you?! I thought YOU were gonna murder ME!!" at this point I felt the insanity was obvious and I had to get the fuck OUT OF THERE. There was a moment of 'the dots connecting' so to speak, and this whole elaborate plot (or so I thought) became obvious to me. I got up, and ran out of the hotel room as fast as I possibly could. I sprinted down the hallway, and heard him opening the door to come after me (later he told me he looked out and only barely saw me as I turned the corner, wondering what he had said/done to make me leave) this furthered scared the shit out of me, and I began running for my life. I think I screamed for help a couple times while running down this flight of stairs (of course we were on the top floor) and eventually made my way to the bottom and outside. I stopped in the lobby to desperately try and call my ex-girlfriend, to no avail, the guy at the desk looked at me like I was a lunatic when I told him someone on the hotel was trying to murder me. I was obviously whacked out of my mind I guess. I sprinted away from the hotel, literally running for my life. I felt so stupid!! Like all this progress in my life had been nothing but a bunch of bullshit, I couldn't believe I had been so naive to believe this man was actually trying to help me, when really it was just a sick plot to murder me and then end his own life. (I know how crazy this must all sound…believe me I still can barely make heads or tails of the experience. These are powerful substances.)
It was probably around 1am at this point. I was putting as much distance between myself and ralph as possible. At first, I thought I had heard a gunshot, and imagined that ralph had killed himself. I live near the coast, so there was a lighthouse in my visibility for several minutes after leaving the hotel. It has a blue and red light that spin around, which sent me into a whole other string of sinister thoughts & hallucinations. I imagined how they had purposefully put those colors of lights on the light house, to keep people in check, as they reminded me of a cop car each time they flashed. I was seeing all of these cops pull up in the businesses and parking lots I was coming towards, I saw a whole line of police lining up in front of, as if I was a hostage being released from a high intensity situation, like you see in the movies. When I came closer though, none of these things were real. My god though, I believed all those police were there. At first I ran into the bushes, trying to sneak past what I thought were all these cops, as I just wanted to get to my ex-girlfriend or a phone to call her and didn't want to be taken in custody (arrested by hallucinations, that would be a new one. I have been arrested a few times for marijuana related offenses, probably a large contributor to the nature of the fear I was experiencing. All of a sudden all these businesses, even the Carls. Jr and the gas station, transformed into what I thought were secret government operations. Ralph has planned it perfectly I thought, so even when I tried to run I would encounter all this resistance, knowing I am fearful of government authority. I stopped at the smaller gas station that had a friendly vibe and asked the guy at the red box to use his cellphone. I called my ex and got her voicemail (understandably..) so I left her a message telling her I loved her, that she was right all along about ralph and that I didn't know what the fuck was going on, but I loved her. I told her I thought I was going to be killed, and I was dead serious. I then left and began my voyage to….well I don't know where I was going. I was just getting away from ralph. I stopped at an ATM to try and withdraw as much money as I could, but the ATM required my ID for the amount I was trying to take out, and as such I could not get any money out.
At this time, I began running again. It frightened me to realize how dependent on ralph I had become. It was some comfort to know I have a good job, but that job alone could not support my current lifestyle. I began running again (also I left the hotel barefoot so I was hobbit style the entire night) and was more or less in a drug-induced, psychotic, frenzied panic. I began shedding everything that reminded me of ralph; the jeans I had on that he had bought me (with my apartment key inside no less), the glasses which I depended on to see properly, even the nice shirt he had gotten em that same day. I was out in the middle of the night, ind the middle of town, in my boxers and a white t-shirt. This seemed somewhat inconsequential at the time, as I was sure I was going to be killed. Realizing that I still had not put enough distance between us, I had the thought 'I must really run for my life right now. How much effort I put forth into this is showing me how much my life is worth to me.' So I ran faster than I ever have in my 22 years of existence. Everything turned to a blur around me, I could hear the wind rushing past my ears and into my mouth which was gasping for air, everything far in the distance became extremely clear and I sprinted like a fucking Olympic athlete. Once I felt I could go no more, I slowed down. I felt I had seriously fucked up my leg, and my body was starting to feel spent. My leg was in so much discomfort I could no longer run, I had to hobble along. I didn't notice until hours later when I finally stopped that I actually had a huge gash in the heel of both of my feet, who knows what the hell I stepped on. Each time a car would drive by, I would hit the deck, fearing it was ralph in his car coming to kill me, sniper-assassin style. I felt I could see the laser pointer coming from his gun every time I would see a red light, each time just waiting for it all to end, wondering what death was going to be like, feeling so sad for all that I hadn't accomplished and knowing I could have done so much more in this life had I simply put forth the effort!! All this time I had everything I needed inside of me to succeed, I'd just been lazing around half-assing everything my whole life, wasting all of this potential, wasting the precious gift of life given to me by the Universe. At one point, I came into an area where I could hear a lot of frogs ribbiting. It reminded me of earlier in the day, when ralph had told me he'd had tons of warts in his lifetime. I joked, asking if he'd kissed too many frogs. I felt I had an epiphany, and knew that frogs were not a friend of ralphs, and I could seek comfort with them. I stopped and crouched down on one knee, and the most beautiful thing happened. I began communicating with nature, I became one with the frogs! When I would consciously put out positive energy from my being, I could hear and feel the ribbiting grow louder, stronger, more melodic, more happy. I realized how much our energy affects everything around us, and how important it is to be positive. I don't feel like I'm doing a great job describing this part, because it was very profound for me. I became a 100% believer in spirituality at this point. I realized the Universe is giving us cues and messages all the time, always talking to us, all we have to do is listen, just pay attention. Whether it's dreams, birds chirping, or simply the beautiful flowers on your walk to work, it all means something. I have never felt so in touch with nature, and I've always considered myself the hippie type who loved the outdoors and all things to do with Mother Earth, but this was a whole new level of realizing how connected we all are. Humans, trees, the sun, the frogs, the grass, ALL of it. We are all one.
After spending some time with the frogs, I began walking again. I started to notice all these ways the Earth was a part of my trip. I swear every emotion I was feeling was in sync with something around me. The street lights flashing or the signs on the crosswalk, all the animal sounds, every little movement took on so much more meaning. I experienced an incredible feeling of absolute love wash over me. As I was walking, something about the way the visuals and everything were coming together made me think of how we have evolved over such an incredibly long period of time to become these sentient, unique, intelligent, imperfect beings having this Earthly experience. It is such a gift!! I thought about all my imperfections in a positive light for the first time ever. I have a nervous tic where I blink my left eye much more than my right (it comes and goes, I'm not quite sure what causes it), and it just causes a lot of distress for me. But at this moment, it was different!! I saw myself as this completely unique human being, this energy force that had punched though the cosmic barrier, just for a little while, to have this human experience. When one punches through this energy barrier, it is bound to be imperfect. We are going to have the weather the storm we call life, and there will be much pain and resistance. Resistance and friction is the nature of the universe, the nature of things to push back, I'm not sure if I'm getting this across well lol so bear with me. There was something in my mind thinking how I had come through this barrier, and that because of the way that it happens, there had to be balance to it. There had to be 'another half'. I don't quite know what got me to thinking this, I just felt that we really all do have a soulmate, that other 50% to us. I wish I remembered it more clearly, but alas, some of the most profound moments of trips are also the most difficult to recall properly.
I had veered off of the main road somehow, and ended up 100% lost. I am very familiar with this whole area I was in, but yet hadn't the slightest clue where I was. It was at this point that I began to believe I had died. I did not when or how it had happened, but I thought I was now a ghost. The visuals I were having did not fit into the category of tripping in my opinion at the time, they were too real. "This.." I thought.. "This is the after-life. The Other. I am a soul walking the Earth." It was incredible cold outside, but I did not realize this. I thought my coldness was due to being dead, I thought "this is what all that cold talk is about when people are dying.." i.e. you know in a movie, you see someone dying, and they're like "its so cold…" I also could not feel my heart beating. I am usually very aware of my body and especially my heart, as a have a generally high level of baseline anxiety. This is what confirmed I was dead in my mind. My heart, that warm, loving, life giving organ was gone, taken from me. I became very depressed and layed down on the pavement. I sprawled out, hoping soon my soul would leave this Earth, as the cold was so painful, and I was in extreme discomfort. I thought maybe I had gone to hell. and that is what hell was really like. Pure sensation, an eternal grating of the nerves..I thought back to laying in my bed, greedily pulling a down comforter over me, not even appreciating the ability to simply BE. To just 'exist' and be warm and alive and comfortable. I had been such a fool in my life, so ungrateful. I felt I was now slowly drifting apart, that I was being slowly disassembled. With each bit of energy I would expend, I would become that much closer to re-integrating into the Universal pool of energy that all things are made of. I felt a sensation that I imagined to be paramedics trying to save my life, using defibrillators. It was a highly electric sensation, I felt with each surge I could see my blood vessels surge momentarily, I thought I could vaguely make out the faces of loved ones all around me; but it was too late. I was too far gone, too close to the white light. I was not coming back, and they had to let me go. It was sad, thinking of all the hardship between my ex-girlfriend and I that would never be resolved, thinking of my mom wondering how her son had gotten involved in prostitution and wasted such a potentially great life, thinking of all my new coworkers in disbelief that the new guy had been killed over the weekend, my new roommates struggling to make rent as I just dropped off the face of the Earth. I mourned all the people I would never get to hug and hold again, the people I should have told so much more that I loved them. Love is so important, it is the most important thing on this Earth. I may be getting a bit sentimental, but really, we must learn to love one another. We have become so disenfranchised from our fellow humans, which isn't being helped at all by the abundance of technology and dehumanizing things like Facebook and twitter. Let's talk to each other face to face again! Hug! Hold hands! Look each other in the eye and say I LOVE YOU!! It makes the world go 'round.
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25C goes well with 4-HO-DMT, DMT, and LSD. Those are the ones i've tried (all seperately with 25C as combo, and some >2 combinations), anyway. I bet it goes well with others, too. In particular, it goes well with DMT; it seems to modulate it, and make it a bit smoother and less intense (but still wonderful). Guess it's competing for binding quite a bit...
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^ Yes, but in a lower dose than I took. Set and setting would be extremely important, as I ended up in the middle of the city streets with no clothes at 3am. Lol. The visuals were nothing of the like I've ever experienced...
I'll post the whole report in the B&D 25i thread when I manage to finish it
I'll post the whole report in the B&D 25i thread when I manage to finish it
TheArchitect
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yeah that's quite an astounding story. I can imagine the high dose of 25i added anxiety. im planning on 30mg amt and two hours later dosing 750ug 25i nbome on blotter. any advice for this combo? :D
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^ I would go waaaaaaaaaaaaay lower on the aMT. I tried this combo again today with ~5mg aMT and ~500ug 25i...it was fucking intense. This is a very potent combo and one you want to be very, very careful with. I feel more that the 25i potentiates the aMT rather than the other way around. So much fucking energy. I biked 15 miles today during the trip. It was unplanned, but very awesome and thought filled. I decided to kick my cannabis habit actually as a result...stuff kills my motivation and makes me a different person.
Really though man be careful.
Really though man be careful.
TheArchitect
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haha wow i can imagine the visuals while riding a bike.in that case i think i will got for around 300ug and 5mg of amt
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^ hell yeah tell us how it goes.
happy tripping
happy tripping
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I combined ~400mcg of 25I with ~30mg of 4-aco-dmt several days ago, to great effect. mixed in a small bump (~15mg?) of MXE and was in a great place of psychedelic mindgames.
however, i stood to go to the washroom, and while having to sit to pee i realized i was rapidly losing balance and consciousness. I got 3/4 the way back to the room, called a friend, and effectively collapsed onto him and got dragged over to the couch as i came back to a little bit.
I first blamed the drugs (esp pot, as ive whited/greened out in this fashion before from being in hotboxed environments, and i had been smoking a little at this time), but i think it was much more strongly related to dehydration and lack of a heartier dinner (this was now about 6hrs since eating McDonalds). Food and water later i felt better, and woke up the next morning feeling great with 9hrs sleep.
Just wanted to share this as both a caution and suggestion. The trip was great, combined the chems wonderfully, but the combo is apparently a very dehydrating one. Id stock up on water and vitamins before trying it again.
however, i stood to go to the washroom, and while having to sit to pee i realized i was rapidly losing balance and consciousness. I got 3/4 the way back to the room, called a friend, and effectively collapsed onto him and got dragged over to the couch as i came back to a little bit.
I first blamed the drugs (esp pot, as ive whited/greened out in this fashion before from being in hotboxed environments, and i had been smoking a little at this time), but i think it was much more strongly related to dehydration and lack of a heartier dinner (this was now about 6hrs since eating McDonalds). Food and water later i felt better, and woke up the next morning feeling great with 9hrs sleep.
Just wanted to share this as both a caution and suggestion. The trip was great, combined the chems wonderfully, but the combo is apparently a very dehydrating one. Id stock up on water and vitamins before trying it again.
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last night I was with some guys that were on mushrooms, 25i, cocaine, MXE, and DMT (and probably alcohol and weed too) 
They seemed fine, although I remember 2 of the guys swallowed their tabs, isn't 25i inactive orally? I really wanted to try 25i but the setting and time wasn't quite right, plus I was already tripping on shrooms and MXE
They seemed fine, although I remember 2 of the guys swallowed their tabs, isn't 25i inactive orally? I really wanted to try 25i but the setting and time wasn't quite right, plus I was already tripping on shrooms and MXE
revolve
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I took 25I-NBOMe, psilocybin, LSD, MDMA and GHB and had no adverse reactions. Had the most awesome time EVER actually. Dosed fairly low with all though. 1 25I tab, 1 large mushroom capsule (about 1 gram), 2 hits of LSD, 1 med-high strength pill and consistent 1.5ml doses of GHB throughout.
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Dude... your receptors must be fried, those are NOT small amounts of the respective drugs given how many you combined. Yeesh 8)
eye_wide_open
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Been there, done that on MXE alone. lol
Don't you love it when that happens?
In one of my trip reports I called it "alien life support". You know, the defibrillator part.
I felt the life energy spirit pool and saw faces or spirits there too.
I combined MXE with 25i-NBOMe also ad didn't have any troubles really.
It was a hole dose of MXE, I do know that. Extremely wild. Colorful and spiritual and all that.
the dose of 25i-NBOME is unknown. the MXe was "just enough to hole".
Anyways, stay safe, and thanks for the report.
You shocked your soul out of your body and got to go on one of the worlds most ultimate roller coaster rides.
lots of drugs out there that can do this like shroomies and LSD and DMT and so on.
Well I don't know man the middle of the city half naked at 3am thing is a bit dodgy to be honest. Good thing the cops didn't pin you down, would have ruined it all. Also glad you didn't get caught up in some crazy troubled state hurting yourself or others. scary man.
try and be safe.
If the 5/0 woulda found you I'm sure they'd have strapped you to the gurney for a ride to the stomach pumper. They love strapping up crazy drug addicts. (or at least that's how you seem to them running around the city at 3am in your undies)
those stomach pumping rides to the hospital cost a couple thousand, too.
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^ actually I ended up calling the police to get a ride home. I could only run so far, once my feet were thrashed I had no other way to get home. I have plenty of fun cop experience lol..
It was dangerous, but it was also life changing and extremely spiritually opening. I do not regret it. Good story to tell the grandkids one day lmao.
I did repeat this combo, albeit in a lower dose and with a low oral dose of DPT with a much more manageable trip.
It was dangerous, but it was also life changing and extremely spiritually opening. I do not regret it. Good story to tell the grandkids one day lmao.
I did repeat this combo, albeit in a lower dose and with a low oral dose of DPT with a much more manageable trip.
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Does anyone have experience with opiates and 25i-nbome? Safe or not? Any positive/negative interactions?
I know Tramadol has caused me problems (not life threatening, but uncomfortable) and will probably have a review of combining with hydrocodone and oxymorphone if I hear nothing soon.
I do also wonder about combining it with harmalas. I feel it would not be safe, but there is a possibility as mescaline is known to be pretty safe although 2cx and nbome compounds have no info on the subject.
Edit: Any harmala experience reports would help A LOT. Personally I have had experience mixing low dose opiates without serration effects (natural and semi-synth opiates not tramadol/levorphanol with serration effect) although I would not say that means MAOI and opiates are safe. I repeat I tried LOW dose opiates and usually 4-6 hours after although I am pretty sure I have done low doses with harmala alkaloids within an hour. I would like to try harmalas+25i, but not until I know it is pretty safe at a low dose, which I do not have the materials to really weigh easily. At least till I get citric acid... Anyways any reports on harmala alkaloids (or other MAOI, but more specifically harmala blends if possible more gear towards harmine) with 25i-nbome would really help. Any harmala and 25x-nbome combo reports would be appreciated to.
I am not asking someone to go out on a limb and be my test rat too... I just want someone to let me know if they tried this. Do not attempt yourself unless you start EXTREMELY low with someone nearby ready to call the hospital. This is a huge risk to mix due to lack of information.
Edit 2: Opiates and 25i do not seem to pose any dangers.
I know Tramadol has caused me problems (not life threatening, but uncomfortable) and will probably have a review of combining with hydrocodone and oxymorphone if I hear nothing soon.
I do also wonder about combining it with harmalas. I feel it would not be safe, but there is a possibility as mescaline is known to be pretty safe although 2cx and nbome compounds have no info on the subject.
Edit: Any harmala experience reports would help A LOT. Personally I have had experience mixing low dose opiates without serration effects (natural and semi-synth opiates not tramadol/levorphanol with serration effect) although I would not say that means MAOI and opiates are safe. I repeat I tried LOW dose opiates and usually 4-6 hours after although I am pretty sure I have done low doses with harmala alkaloids within an hour. I would like to try harmalas+25i, but not until I know it is pretty safe at a low dose, which I do not have the materials to really weigh easily. At least till I get citric acid... Anyways any reports on harmala alkaloids (or other MAOI, but more specifically harmala blends if possible more gear towards harmine) with 25i-nbome would really help. Any harmala and 25x-nbome combo reports would be appreciated to.
I am not asking someone to go out on a limb and be my test rat too... I just want someone to let me know if they tried this. Do not attempt yourself unless you start EXTREMELY low with someone nearby ready to call the hospital. This is a huge risk to mix due to lack of information.
Edit 2: Opiates and 25i do not seem to pose any dangers.
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Posted this on the 6-APB combo thread so apologies Mods if a no-no, but no reply there, and figure I might get a slightly different reply with more of a 25I emphasis on this thread anyways, slightly different angle, so . . .
Any thoughts on a 6-APB / 25I-NBOMe combo anyone? Only had a partial success with the NBOMe due to a cross-tolerance issue but enough to know how euphoric it's likely to be with full effects, thinking a little extra stimulation from the 6-APB with the speediness of the 25I would make an absolutely superb combo for clubbing. Treated with caution, low dose of each, around 100mg 6-APB, 550ug of the 25I-NBOMe ( complexed blotter ).
Because of the difference in duration would need to dose the 6-APB first and let it settle for a coupla hours I think before doing the 25I, which I expect will diminish the psychedelic effects somewhat same as dosing LSD after MDMA diminishes effects there, but that's no bad thing maybe. I'd expect to get a much greater and really quite horny body high, much greater music appreciation, much enhanced visuals and a properly euphoric, empathic headspace. Any reason why this would be a bad idea, beyond both being serotonergic, usual cautions, and the advice earlier in the thread about the compound being too new to have much background available as yet?
Any thoughts on a 6-APB / 25I-NBOMe combo anyone? Only had a partial success with the NBOMe due to a cross-tolerance issue but enough to know how euphoric it's likely to be with full effects, thinking a little extra stimulation from the 6-APB with the speediness of the 25I would make an absolutely superb combo for clubbing. Treated with caution, low dose of each, around 100mg 6-APB, 550ug of the 25I-NBOMe ( complexed blotter ).
Because of the difference in duration would need to dose the 6-APB first and let it settle for a coupla hours I think before doing the 25I, which I expect will diminish the psychedelic effects somewhat same as dosing LSD after MDMA diminishes effects there, but that's no bad thing maybe. I'd expect to get a much greater and really quite horny body high, much greater music appreciation, much enhanced visuals and a properly euphoric, empathic headspace. Any reason why this would be a bad idea, beyond both being serotonergic, usual cautions, and the advice earlier in the thread about the compound being too new to have much background available as yet?
Bigazznugz
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I just blought 100mgs of 25cnbome ad my vendordecided to throw me a frree gram of 5iai and I was qondering if there could beany harm in combinig tjhe 2 I know they messwith your serotonin levels and I dont want serotonin syndrome