Incunabula
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Also really hoped this wasn't the US, this shit is the last thing we need.
Solipsis: Based on what though?
It wasn't my intention to make it sound like that, I just meant it's the first 25C-NBOMe death. So good you changed it.Found the TT to sound like we are annoyed and bored by this which seems a little uncalled for. Changed it.
I think I didn't make myself clear. The drugs only exist because the ones that are tried and tested (and we know how to use safely) are banned. I meant they should not exist. Not that they should be banned.RPM, then you might as well add LSD to that category which has no known sole death cases.
Clearly thats going to be a negative! I'm talking about psychoactive chemicals for the most part though in all honestly, I do wish we could live in a world where you could just buy ricin if you had some need for it or something but clearly there would be one to many with ill intent purchasing. I'm all for personal responsibility which is highly repeat highly lacking in this world, if a person even has the slightest, repeat slightest "excuse" they'll scapegoat like a mother fucker. "Oh noes my poor babies sons died because of dem evil droogs......kill/ban droogs!", that sort of shit, you rarely ever hear a person say "My son was an adult and unfortunately choose to make a poor decision which resulted in the loss of his life...". Plus I can never get over the worlds obsession with the its right this way but wrong that way approach to pretty much everything. If your of age its your responsibility to know certain things and especially to learn certain things. We definitely need more research but the finger in ears DEA won't ever see it that way. With a war that has the end goal of total annihilation, in their mind theres probably no need for research as one day the chemical will just be non-existent thus phasing out the problem. Oh and why would we listen to them? I mean, i'll surely be civil and polite and hear what they have to say, but listen? That is a different story(it would be like if good ol' Abe had sat down with plantation owners to listen/hear their side of the story before deciding......)....... If your wrong, your wrong, and if your right, your right! Not to much inbetween on that one. If on the other hand you mean listen to their concerns and then quell them with knowledge, i'm all for that!And Help?!?!, I think there should be some limitation on chemicals available. Now you don't want everyone to be able to get some ricin, now do you? In all seriousness though, even if we'll never get these chemicals (psychedelics) commercially in a legal way, I think there still should be a lot more research done. I'm very sure these deaths could be prevented in some way, but we just don't know how.
I can understand perfectly that a conservative-type person would never allow for "drugs' to be taken, for a lot of people that's just scary. If we want "them" to listen to us, then we'll have to listen to them too.
I think I didn't make myself clear. The drugs only exist because the ones that are tried and tested (and we know how to use safely) are banned. I meant they should not exist. Not that they should be banned.
Also, there is the issue of safety of the drugs themselves. Lets take 25I-NBOMe as an example. Even assuming that it is as safe as 2c-i, and also assuming that there is a one to one correlation between the two substances potency per mg, that would give it an ld-50 of .685 mg/kg ( taking median common dose of 15mg and .7mg for 2c-i and 25I-NBOMe respectively and the LD50 for 2c-i as 14.7 mg/kg - (.7/15) *14.7=.685 - ) compare that to the ld-50 of LSD of 5mg/kg. You get my point. I admit that their are allot of assumptions in there, but since we don't know the actual ld50 for these new drugs it's the best I can do. The bottom line is if you rack up a line of acid you will be fine, do it with 25I-NBOMe and it's game over.
I think I am essentially saying the same thing as Solipsis but with less knowledge of psycho-pharmacology.
yea they probably ended up sniffing about a 50mg line and oded. obviously didnt do any research.
You are wrong about that bold bit though. These compounds were not designed or developed because other drugs are banned, but because they serve as probes for receptor modelling research studies. Selective ligands like this are a tool in that research.