21 year old gets life for heroin sale that killed teen

SpunkySkunk347 said:
He didn't kill the kid, he sold him heroin. People kill people with guns, should the person who sold the gun get life in prison?
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Nope. But what about the person who sold the bullets... ;)
 
"do you think a salesperson/grocer should be jailed for selling a 12 pack that leads to a car wreck, or a bottle of vodka that leads to alcohol poisoning."

In reply to this and all other related posts, what if the salesperson sold the alcohol to a MINOR who then crashed the car, then what?

I believe the sentencing would have been alot different had these two been the same age, however an adult supplying hard drugs to a minor is asking for it in the first place.

People do lots of grimey shit on their hustle and if you gotta eat you gotta eat. The point is a smart drug dealer doesn't sell hard drugs (Being potentially lethal ones.) To a minor (unless on happens to be a minor his/herself) Because these people are more prone to being irresponsible (No offence meant to anyone here.) If they happen to wind up in a hospital they are questioned harder (Cops may care more about someone selling to kids than "junkies".), Will talk faster, and are more prone to freak outs (leading to unnessecary visits and questioning.) If they die, the case will get media attention and will no doubt be persued to the fullest extent. (Much unlike a "junkie" found dead in the ghetto.)

Basically the dealer was an asshole and put his wallet ahead of his freedom (As well as basic morals, but thats besides the point.)

Peace
 
I agree that a dealer ought to know what he's getting himself into. He's doing something illegal and if caught he'll have to deal with it. But I think he should only be responsible for his part which is the illegal sale of narcotics. The reprecussion from drug use is the responsibility of the user. Its called personal responsibility.
If you don't hold the user responsible and blame his dealer, why not take it further and blame the dealer's dealer's, and so on. Come on. This is rediculous.
 
This is unjust and insane that people can really sentance someone in jail for LIFE to rot in a cell for selling a drug to someone who was too retarded to use it right.

But people who sell drugs know the consequences when they do it they know every time there is risk, personally I will never have balls enough to risk my entire lifes freedom to make some cash. Pot and other soft stuff is one thing.... but some of the upper shit is like minimum 5 years for anything over very very small amounts. And tbh why mess with heroin when u can make thousands with weed very easy with a lot less risk. You cant sell someone weed and have them OD and when u get caught the consequences arent near as bad.

Quick question... when someone finds out they are gonna have 20 to to life but arent sentanced yet are they still out of jail? I mean if I new i had 20 to life coming id just commit suicide... I could never stand losing freedom for 20 years let alone the rest of my life. As soon as I found out id go OD on some painkillers or somethin I cant even imagine the feeling knowing your about to spend the rest of your life in a small ass cell, with some of the worst people in America (not all of them are guilty or bad but a hell of a lot of em are).
 
dopefiend said:
"do you think a salesperson/grocer should be jailed for selling a 12 pack that leads to a car wreck, or a bottle of vodka that leads to alcohol poisoning."

In reply to this and all other related posts, what if the salesperson sold the alcohol to a MINOR who then crashed the car, then what?


Peace
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true, the legality does come in play, it wasn't apples to apples, but the idea is the same. i thought the kid was 18 though, not a minor. still, life is beyond extreme.
 
DarthMom said:
come back to me when your reading skills improve. i also said "dying from alcohol poisoning"


do you think a salesperson/grocer should be jailed for selling a 12 pack that leads to a car wreck, or a bottle of vodka that leads to alcohol poisoning.
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Can i ask EVERYONE in this thread a question?

Why the fuck are yous comparing ILLEGAL substances to fully LEGAL ones?

I will admit that life is a little extreme but hell he sold this person drugs that killed him!!!!! He is responsible for this kids death.

As for the gun question, yes they should be put away for life IF they sold them the guns without a licence.

As for the alcohol, No the shopkeepers shouldnt, but IF the alcohol was bad i.e was the sole reason for his death in 1 season i.e it was the his first drink that day then YES something should happen to the makers.

Its a simple as this, this smack dealer sold this person fucked up smack which killed him, he was resposible its his fault and yes he should be in jail for dealing this highly addictive drug, but not for life...
 
Accountability doesn't(shouldn't) depend on whether the action was legal or illegal.

Recently here in Philly, the DA announced that she'd charge any dealer with 3rd degree for fentdope deaths. No one has been charged yet.
Anyway, I've read plenty of other cases with people getting 4-10 years for providing the dope.

Life was fucked up, for many reasons that have been said before.

By the way, you're wrong. Very wrong.
 
DarthMom said:
come back to me when your reading skills improve. i also said "dying from alcohol poisoning"


do you think a salesperson/grocer should be jailed for selling a 12 pack that leads to a car wreck, or a bottle of vodka that leads to alcohol poisoning.
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HAHAHA.

HE WAS SELLING AN ILLEGAL DRUG.

alcohol is legal.

heroin isn't.

why don't you get a little common sense before you even bother being condescending to me? you're the [edit - come on, try to debate without resorting to petty insults].
 
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hey, a drug is a drug whether its legal or not man. Legality doesnt make a drug a drug. Like Salvia, its legal now so if someone sold it to another person who died using it, should that person get life? But what about when Salvia is illegal? Should the person selling it get life if someone dies?
 
TheSimpsons said:
Its a simple as this, this smack dealer sold this person fucked up smack which killed him, he was resposible its his fault and yes he should be in jail for dealing this highly addictive drug, but not for life...
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First off, when you buy something off the streets, you never know it's purity or what it's cut with. You are taking a risk. A dealer is taking a risk selling an illegal substance, but when the consumer uses a product wrong, why should it be the dealer who is to blame? I could go buy a few bags of dope right now, snort them all and OD and have my friend go and tell them who sold it to me. So now that guy should get life because I was reckless?
 
TheSimpsons, can I ask you a question here? How the fuck can you support any drug being illegal, and anyone suffering the consequences of that?
 
TheSimpsons said:
Can i ask EVERYONE in this thread a question?

Why the fuck are yous comparing ILLEGAL substances to fully LEGAL ones?
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Because we don't let unreasonable lawmaker's opinions sway our logical understanding of all drugs.
 
Right, anyone who knows me knows i support drugs, it doesent matter to me either way, but...

I dont give a flying fuck if its Meth, MDMA or Smack that you are selling, if you sell it to someone and they die then you deserve to be in jail.

This smark-fucking-head dealer sold someone drugs, that person died, its his fucking fault and he deserves to be in jail, whether ANYONE here likes it or not these drugs are ILLEGAL, NONE of yous have the right to say they are not and that sucks for me too because i would love to have certain drugs legalized, but that aint up to me or you, so if you are going to sell something which is fully illegal to have never mind sell and it kills someone then take your fucking oil, and you can take the consiqences (spelling?) too!

I can fully understand everyone jumping to his defence because he got life in jail which is a joke, but dont jump to his defence for selling the drugs to him, he's a dirty smack dealer who sold a product which was lethol and deserves to be where he is right now.
 
That's frightening... almost makes me want to stop giving drugs to friends. We live in a society where no one can take responsibility for their own actions. It's the user's fault.
 
Yes, he's a smack dealer, but he's not a murderer.

It seems contradictory to me that you say you support drugs and at the same time turn arond and say that any dealer who has someone die off his supply is guily of murder.
 
Where did i even say in ANY of my posts that he was a murderer????

Read them ALL again, i said the products he had killed the man, its his stuff he sold to him that killed him but NO he's not a murderer, that is 2 completely different things in my eyes as he never INTENTIONALLY tried to kill the guy i believe but at the end of the day he IS responcible for his death, but a murder charge and that amount of time in jail? OH HELL NO!

Its like if you knock someone down and killing them by not taking care on the road, i dont believe that you are a murderer for that but it is your fault that person is dead.
 
TheSimpsons said:
Where did i even say in ANY of my posts that he was a murderer????

Read them ALL again, i said the products he had killed the man, its his stuff he sold to him that killed him but NO he's not a murderer, that is 2 completely different things in my eyes as he never INTENTIONALLY tried to kill the guy i believe but at the end of the day he IS responcible for his death, but a murder charge and that amount of time in jail? OH HELL NO!

Its like if you knock someone down and killing them by not taking care on the road, i dont believe that you are a murderer for that but it is your fault that person is dead.
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Then you think he's guilty of manslaughter. All he did was sell drugs to the guy, in no way did he assist in the death. It was the other guy's choice what to do with the drug, not the dealer. How does that make him responsible? Responsibility rests with the owner and user of any object.
 
Look were never gonna agree on this subject at all, so rather tha keeping on going on about it im gonna stop.

We dont even know the guy anyway so who really gives a flying fuck if hes in jail or not.
 
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