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2024 US Presidential Election

Las Veghost grower said:
The Democratic Party is a golden standard for if you say something enough times it’s becomes true, sickening
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The parties are about the same. Many of the republicans may not be saying they want these things, but their actions say otherwise. It’s definitely the lesser of the two evils, but still really bad
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
I'm just gonna drop in and say that I thought things were bad when Ronald Reagan was Prez.
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It's nice to hear you say that.... practically everyone my parents' age and older seems to love Reagan and think he was a great president, but that guy was a disaster. He aid the groundwork for so much of what has gone wrong since, and the erosion of the middle class. People loved him because he was funny and charismatic and a Hollywood actor, and because he presided over the period of time in their lives where they had the highest quality of life, but he inherited that, and his policies eroded the ground beneath that foundation.

Electrum1 said:
Yeah it's obviously corrupt that we don't need ID to vote in a lot of places, I mean c'mon
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I agree, actually. Having to show that you're a US citizen to vote in a US election is pretty common sense. The Repubs have done some pretty sketchy stuff re: election access - disallowing registration on the same day as voting (sure, ideally people are engaged enough to register beforehand, but the reality is many young people especially are not, and if you can prove you're a citizen you should be able to vote even if you didn't register beforehand), making it illegal to hand out food and water to people waiting in line (like... why? I can only interpret this as an attempt to make people who show up and are unprepared for the wait more likely to want to just say fuck it and leave; you should be encouraging every citizen to vote, if anything, bring people to hand out food and water, but at minimum, don't prevent other people from trying to help make the wait more bearable), and let's not forget gerrymandering, which both sides do actually, which is just outright manipulation - but requiring to prove you're actually a citizen is entirely reasonable and actually quite desirable, I would think, given the level of mistrust of the system there is these days.

I think there is a valid point that some small minority of people might find things difficult, I don't know, maybe because of a language barrier or something, but the correct approach is to have organizations to offer help to people in this group, not to say "well, let's just make it so you don't need to prove you're who you say you are". This is one area in which I think the left ha made a huge mistake, because it really inflames the sense of mistrust among the people who already feel mistrust. I mean, hell, thinking about it now, I can't help but stop and think about how much of an opening a lack of ID requirement gives, should one desire an opening. If I'm being honest.

I believe every US citizen should be able to vote, and that they should feel empowered to vote and that nobody should be making it more difficult for them to vote. But showing an ID is really not an inappropriate requirement at all, and it would go a long way towards helping to repair trust in the system if they'd just say "yeah, the one requirement is that you need to be able to prove that you're actually the person you say you are".

Dropperneck said:
We have no pro environmental party, but we have one that’s all in on the green grift. The amount of pollution and human suffering it has and will cause is jaw dropping. All for more power and to make more money off of the backs of the middle and lower classes. Anyone that thinks electric vehicles are a good alternative is either not well read or plain indoctrinated.
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I agree that the lithium/etc mining is alarmingly bad. But I'm holding out hope that battery technology will continue to evolve and we'll have a breakthrough where batteries will be able to be sustainably produced. I think it's pretty likely to be possible, but we need to keep pushing into learning in that area. Imagine a world where batteries for cars could be produced without destroying ecosystems to mine finite minerals, and the electric grid was supplied by nuclear (fission or hopefully, fusion when we get there). And, of course, by that point the infrastructure would be in place to be able to charge your car within 10-15 minutes everywhere. That's the future I want. I admit there are some assumptions being made that that is even possible, but it's a fact that oil is finite - it WILL run out at some point. Disregarding every aspect of the debate around whether or not carbon emissions matter and whether or not pollution matters, when you get down to brass tacks, oil is not infinite. Even if it lasts 100 years, or 200 years, or 500 years, it will run out eventually, and we will need some other source of power for transportation. It is only sensible to keep working on making electric vehicle technology better... what other choice will we have when the oil runs out?

The lithium/etc mining is a destructive side effect that many people gloss over, for sure. I just don't think that it will always be necessary. Or at least, I hope it won't.

Las Veghost grower said:
The Democratic Party is a golden standard for if you say something enough times it’s becomes true, sickening
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I mean... that's both sides, man. Trump perfected the art of repeating a thing over and over until people believe it, he was the first to land a quad in that area. But they're all lying, for sure. I think it's disingenuous to try to make it out like the Democrats are somehow worse with this, though.
 
Dropperneck said:
The parties are about the same. Many of the republicans may not be saying they want these things, but their actions say otherwise. It’s definitely the lesser of the two evils, but still really bad
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I feel the same way except I find the Democrats to be the lesser of two evils, but still really bad. But it's always nice to see someone else admit they're both shit, even if they prefer one somewhat more. Too many people think their party is Captain America.
 
Xorkoth said:
It's nice to hear you say that.... practically everyone my parents' age and older seems to love Reagan and think he was a great president, but that guy was a disaster. He aid the groundwork for so much of what has gone wrong since, and the erosion of the middle class. People loved him because he was funny and charismatic and a Hollywood actor, and because he presided over the period of time in their lives where they had the highest quality of life, but he inherited that, and his policies eroded the ground beneath that foundation.



I agree, actually. Having to show that you're a US citizen to vote in a US election is pretty common sense. The Repubs have done some pretty sketchy stuff re: election access - disallowing registration on the same day as voting (sure, ideally people are engaged enough to register beforehand, but the reality is many young people especially are not, and if you can prove you're a citizen you should be able to vote even if you didn't register beforehand), making it illegal to hand out food and water to people waiting in line (like... why? I can only interpret this as an attempt to make people who show up and are unprepared for the wait more likely to want to just say fuck it and leave; you should be encouraging every citizen to vote, if anything, bring people to hand out food and water, but at minimum, don't prevent other people from trying to help make the wait more bearable), and let's not forget gerrymandering, which both sides do actually, which is just outright manipulation - but requiring to prove you're actually a citizen is entirely reasonable and actually quite desirable, I would think, given the level of mistrust of the system there is these days.

I think there is a valid point that some small minority of people might find things difficult, I don't know, maybe because of a language barrier or something, but the correct approach is to have organizations to offer help to people in this group, not to say "well, let's just make it so you don't need to prove you're who you say you are". This is one area in which I think the left ha made a huge mistake, because it really inflames the sense of mistrust among the people who already feel mistrust. I mean, hell, thinking about it now, I can't help but stop and think about how much of an opening a lack of ID requirement gives, should one desire an opening. If I'm being honest.

I believe every US citizen should be able to vote, and that they should feel empowered to vote and that nobody should be making it more difficult for them to vote. But showing an ID is really not an inappropriate requirement at all, and it would go a long way towards helping to repair trust in the system if they'd just say "yeah, the one requirement is that you need to be able to prove that you're actually the person you say you are".



I agree that the lithium/etc mining is alarmingly bad. But I'm holding out hope that battery technology will continue to evolve and we'll have a breakthrough where batteries will be able to be sustainably produced. I think it's pretty likely to be possible, but we need to keep pushing into learning in that area. Imagine a world where batteries for cars could be produced without destroying ecosystems to mine finite minerals, and the electric grid was supplied by nuclear (fission or hopefully, fusion when we get there). And, of course, by that point the infrastructure would be in place to be able to charge your car within 10-15 minutes everywhere. That's the future I want. I admit there are some assumptions being made that that is even possible, but it's a fact that oil is finite - it WILL run out at some point. Disregarding every aspect of the debate around whether or not carbon emissions matter and whether or not pollution matters, when you get down to brass tacks, oil is not infinite. Even if it lasts 100 years, or 200 years, or 500 years, it will run out eventually, and we will need some other source of power for transportation. It is only sensible to keep working on making electric vehicle technology better... what other choice will we have when the oil runs out?

The lithium/etc mining is a destructive side effect that many people gloss over, for sure. I just don't think that it will always be necessary. Or at least, I hope it won't.



I mean... that's both sides, man. Trump perfected the art of repeating a thing over and over until people believe it, he was the first to land a quad in that area. But they're all lying, for sure. I think it's disingenuous to try to make it out like the Democrats are somehow worse with this, though.
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We should stick with oil till we find a better more sustainable solution, hoping for the technology to get there will still cause a ton of human suffering and environmental harm. Alternative fuels sounds like the better option since we already have the infrastructure, the government should be seeing how it can subsidize that. In the end the battery car is being pushed so the establishment can better control peoples movement.
 
arrall said:
Thank you for proving that Biden and Trump govern differently and justifying your hatred of Biden by refusing to explain how they differ.
You truly are the pinnacle of intellectualism on the right.
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How is Biden doing a better job then trump ? I gave you something Biden did that fucked our economy now you give me something he did positive, like I said I’m not your daddy so I’m not gonna make a list of 5 for you, even though there are 5 things I could post reguarding energy alone, smh
 
Las Veghost grower said:
How is Biden doing a better job then trump ? I gave you something Biden did that fucked our economy now you give me something he did positive, like I said I’m not your daddy so I’m not gonna make a list of 5 for you, even though there are 5 things I could post reguarding energy alone, smh
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I never said Biden was good.
Just that his regime is essentially identical to Trump’s in terms of most of his policies.
 
arrall said:
I never said Biden was good.
Just that his regime is essentially identical to Trump’s in terms of most of his policies.
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No they arnt, the fact you saying that makes further conversation with you pointless cause I’m not willing to teach you US politics….but just look at the economy since Biden, case closed
 
Las Veghost grower said:
but just look at the economy since Biden, case closed
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Yes, Covid has worsened an impending recession.
Those happen every 8-12 years under capitalism.
The last one was in 2008 under Bush, so this one was long overdue.

What does Biden being President have to do with the economy?
Economic prosperity under Trump was actually due to Obama-era policies and was partially nullified by Trump’s protectionism.

You lack a basic understanding of economics, Las veghost.
 
Ha, yea Obama is why trumps term was so prosperous, I swear to god you guys just regurgitate the tv talking points, it’s pretty pathetic…and you know what caused the 2008 collapse right ? How was that bushes fault again ?
 
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Buzz Lightbeer said:
How does that work exactly?
People just show up and vote? What is preventing people from voting multiple times?
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Nothing. And with Covid they suspended chain of custody requirements in many of the key large blue counties. They didn’t have to even prove where the votes came from. This is where that classic picture of the giant spike in votes for Biden comes from. The last election was all around clownish, I’ll never vote in a federal election again, sort of wild how naive I was. There is no political solution imo
 
No wait this is not making sense, what is stopping you from going to another state to vote? If I go on holiday to say North Carolina, there must be something..

I cannot believe that there are no systems/protocols in place for this =D would be mayhem. there must be some sort of identification right?
 
alasdairm said:
alasdair
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Numbers will be ridiculed too Alas. But numbers tell truths. Like in sports (although some people would say all NFL games are rigged).

As far as environmental issues I remember when Biden got in and did an immediate reversal of some of the environmental rapes that Trump enacted. Trump did it for money and power. When Biden got in thankfully he reversed them. I do pay attention to environmental issues locally and nationally. (someday world wide). I am looking for specifics but here is a summary. I figured I would use a non profit news outlet for less ridicule. lol

grist.org

What happened to Trump’s 200+ environmental rollbacks?

Biden vowed to undo Trump’s toxic legacy. We’re tracking his progress.
grist.org grist.org

www.theguardian.com

How Biden is reversing Trump's assault on the environment

The new president is focusing on seven key areas to reverse a legacy of environmental destruction and climate denialism
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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