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herbavore said:
Mr Wooderson, that is the most preposterous and arrogant thing I have ever heard you say. Have you ever lived anywhere else? It makes me so sad to think that we are still talking in these backwards terms about empires that delude themselves into thinking they, and only they, are responsible for everything good in the world while denying responsibility for everything terrible they do in the name of the former. It reminds me of how religions operate. Subjugate, enslave and slaughter at will but hype only the core belief system of love and peace while pretending none of the rest exists. These ways of thinking are killing us. It is time to evolve.
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This!! You have said it all. It’s honestly quite refreshing to hear that.
 
David Wooderson said:
_______ (insert your country) caters to our demands with a smile.
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North Korea (developing nuclear weapons), China (activity in the South China Sea), Russia (invasion of Ukraine), Syria (attacking civilians with sarin), Turkey (attacks on Kurds in Iraq and Syria), Israel (secretly developed nukes, responds to minor provocations with overwhelming force and consequently undermines US regional influence)... I could go on. Your claim is demonstrably false and betrays a rather naive understanding of international relations.

You might have the most powerful military in the world, and there is no question that this buys the United States considerable influence. However, there are significant limits to this influence; and, when it comes to successful military campaigns, the record of the United States is not exactly stellar. You couldn't decisively beat North Korea (to be fair, they had help from China, but still), you couldn't beat the North Vietnamese, how many years have you been in Afghanistan and you haven't even gotten rid of the Taliban. For the amount of money you guys spend on the military, you don't seem to be very effective at defeating armies which are hugely disadvantaged in terms of the arms and training which they have access to.
 
It's almost impossible to overstate the damage that has been done by the US government over the years, and I'm as critical as anyone, but everyone should really take a look at your own country's history. Sure, the US makes a good punching bag, and it deserves it... but how many governments do you think wouldn't be doing the same shit or worse if given the resources?

The "us and them" mentality is very corrosive and leads to a lot of counterproductive thinking. If you live in the UK or Australia or somewhere else and your favorite pastime is making fun of the dumb and violent Americans, maybe your time would be better spent reaching out to one of us and finding common ground. These arbitrary divisions and where we happen to be born do not define us as people. The more you marginalize a particular group...the more you back them into a corner... the more and more defensive they become. More and more dug in.

"The shadow of the past holds the future hostage."
We need to find a way to move forward.

Edit: This is not in response to anyone in particular. Just a thought after getting caught up with the thread.
 
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alasdairm said:
i was hoping we could have a conversation rather than this immature trolling. my hopes were a little higher as your contribution used to be better than this, dw.

alasdair
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Hey man, technically he is both right and wrong

History class was in 1989 so Im rusty, but Australia was sirt of known about by the Dutch and Spanish and English yeah?


So if America had kept ties with England then maybe the hassle of coming here would have been not worth it at the time.

So indeed, perhaps its true .


However the competition for undiscovered land and trade routes etc would have spurred England on as they really wanted a big empire.

We would probably be French or Dutch.

Ripped off I say.

We could have sided with the Germans or not het caught up in it at all in WW2.

Its old news.

America has had their time of relevance.

There are far better countries with reliable reasonable leaders around, that actually have money and good relations with other powers now.
 
U.S. households saw their total net worth rise to a record level of $84.9 trillion in the first quarter of this year, the Federal Reserve reported Thursday. That's compared to $80.3 trillion a year ago.

China is somewhere around $23 trillion.

If you count public sectors:

A rough calculation for the U.S. leaves mid-2015 net national wealth at over $73 trillion.

Chinese state-owned enterprises have very hefty assets. However, China’s debt is very high, has been rising rapidly, and is largely attributable to the public sector. Unlike the U.S., China’s net public sector position is positive but it is also deteriorating. Mid-2015 net national wealth for China is near $28 trillion. The more comprehensive, national wealth gap between the U.S. and China is $45-46 trillion, still a staggering amount.

UAE is a fraction of that.
 
drug_mentor said:
For the amount of money you guys spend on the military, you don't seem to be very effective at defeating armies which are hugely disadvantaged in terms of the arms and training which they have access to.
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That is because normies at home would be screaming for scorching our enemies shadows onto the earth, we have that capability.

I have an unpopular opinion in that I think we should have continued to use our nuclear arsenal after Nagasaki, we should have used them on the USSR, Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

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instead we started a world bank to control every facet of the world.

spacejunk said:
They had it right - they didn't vote for fascists, they shot them and blew them up.
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Um no, you don't know your history, we backed armed and bankrolled the facists after the war for many years in multiple euro countries to fight communism.
Read up on postwar France and Italy.

alasdairm said:
i was hoping we could have a conversation rather than this immature trolling. my hopes were a little higher as your contribution used to be better than this, dw.

alasdair
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I was borderline retarded drunk yesterday, we dominate in all aspects that matter

Economy
Military
Culture
Technology
Science
Healthcare
Innovation
Space Exploration
 
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^ You dont sound like my dad, jah does.

But yes the US and Germany were not enemies in the beginning of the 1839s- early 40s. More like rivals.
 
^ No. My blr friend frowns upon that and had a shot to celebrate seeing him fir the 1st time in 10 years.

I dont think USA could have much money unless its from that stupid world bank thats a rort anyway.


You dont seem to spend it on yourselves or build a wall you can afford.
 
zephyr said:
You dont seem to spend it on yourselves or build a wall you can afford.
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No we're too busy blowing it on sex changes for traitors, food for people who will never learn to feed themselves, healthcare for ppl that are delusional enough to subscribe to the thought of "healthy at any size", subsidizing professional sports leagues for women that no one wants to pay to watch, subsidizing farms for lesbians, subsidizing the genocide our and other countries unborn etc etc

But in all seriousness we blow a lot of it maintaining defense for countries that talk shit about our great country, all day every day, and have no sense of gratitude.
 
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David Wooderson said:
That is because normies at home would be screaming for scorching our enemies shadows onto the earth, we have that capability.

I have an unpopular opinion in that I think we should have continued to use our nuclear arsenal after Nagasaki, we should have used them on the USSR, Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Yes, and so do eight other countries. (Assuming we are confining our discussion of scorching people to the use of nuclear weapons.)

What do you think nuking Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam would have accomplished? The US would have been much better off if it never got bogged down in these ridiculous quagmires in the first place.

Also, the USSR had nukes before the US bombed Nagasaki. I don't think that the US nuking the USSR post-1945 would have had the positive effects that you imagine it would. Such a provocation would likely have marked the beginning of the end of the world...

If the US had engaged in the kind of nuclear hostilities you are talking about and this did not result in an escalation to full-blown nuclear war, then the rest of the developed world would have nuclear weapons by now, and your arsenal would mean next to nothing. It takes significantly fewer nuclear weapons than the US has in their possession to spell the end of civilisation as we know it. Once another country has nukes you can't touch them, why do you think all of this rhetoric between Washington and Pyongyang has amounted to nothing?

Sure, the US might have eliminated a significant competitor or two early in the game if you had pushed the red button a few more times. But, ultimately these actions would have undermined America's ability to dictate global politics, rather than enhancing it. Refraining from using these weapons after WWII and getting most of the world to agree to the NPT served American interests much better than using them ever could.

David Wooderson said:
instead we started a world bank to control every facet of the world.
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You think America controls "every facet of the world" through the World Bank? You seem to have a flair for incredibly hyperbolic claims. The World Bank mostly loans to underdeveloped countries; I hope I can be forgiven for being sceptical of the claim that an institution which primarily provides loans to third-world countries is an effective means for the US to control the world.
 
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I have hears evil things about the world bank.


What percent of Americas income comes from it?



Countries in huge debt never get any better off mate.
 
zephyr said:
However the competition for undiscovered land and trade routes etc would have spurred England on as they really wanted a big empire.

We would probably be French or Dutch.
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Yes, Australia would almost certainly have become a French colony had the British not jumped in there, with maybe some Dutch controlled territory as well. New Zealand may also have gone the same way.

Had the Brits lost the 7 Years War, the US and Canada would also probably have been French, with significant Spanish, Dutch and Swedish colonies. And probably have ended up much more fragmented than it is today.
 
zephyr said:
I have hears evil things about the world bank.
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Oh it is, it's a modern form of piracy.

They make "governments" out of people who serve our interests and have them sign away all and any forms of assets in exchange for dollars or the things dollars buy.

It's terrible on the surface, but there are advantages, take the Amazon rain forest for example, had we not sabotaged and continued to sabotage their people and economies.....it have been obliterated decades ago
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drug_mentor said:
You seem to have a flair for incredibly hyperbolic claims. The World Bank mostly loans to underdeveloped countries; I hope I can be forgiven for being sceptical of the claim that an institution which primarily provides loans to third-world countries is an effective means for the US to control the world.
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Guilty.

Were it not for the Bretton Woods agreement which has evolved into the World Bank, Europe and Asia would never been rebuilt, I suppose it's easy to over look that, as many kids growing up today have no idea how close many euro/asian nations (now thriving) were to extinction, and were saved by American tax dollars.

However the World Bank and more importantly the creation of the IMF created a foreign exchange system that was essentially backed by the US dollar.

The agreement was dissolved and I'm not going to argue over split hairs, but it created the current form of currency used in all countries worth visiting as of today.

Through extension of the world bank and IMF we control the entire global monetary system.

I'm very interested to here what solutions you think would have any bearing on the world if the USA's wealth disappeared overnight.
 
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