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I'm not surprised at all.
Nothing trump or his parade of corrupt assholes does is for the betterment of the people - it's all about ideological attacks on people they hate.

Hate is all these people know - that's why the whole trump administration has been about shitting on poor people (ACA), black people (take your pick), muslims (travel ban etc), women (abortion laws etc).

Shitting on pot smokers is the obvious next step: losers like trump who can't get any of their legislative aims accomplished, even with majorities in both houses of congress (!) have nothing else to do but target their ideological enemies.

You can see it in the polarised nature of the country trump has created; everything is "us against them".

And who is "us"?

Oh, it's rich old men. Fancy that - it's not common people at all. Who would have guessed trump was conning his voters?
 
Sure, but would you be surprised if it were true?

Trump's stance on drugs is as archaic as his attitudes to most other things.
His praise of Duterte isn't an anomaly.
 
Even after meeting with Duterte, Trump hasnt shown any interest in pursuing the war on drugs.

Trump lost his brother to alcohol/drugs, he doesnt strike me as someone who wants to continue the war on drugs/alcohol
 
Well, Duterte doesn't exactly have an orthodox approach to enforcing the 'war on drugs'. It's a reign of terror and mindless slaughter.
It's far beyond a hardline approach - yet trump has praised Duterte specifically for "doing an unbelievable job on the drug problem", and then boasted about it to the press.

So, if you're going to bring up duterte - it's not a great example.

I mean, it's also worth pointing out (again and again, because repetition doesn't make it any more ok) that nothing trump says can be trusted.
"Trump hasn't shown any interest in pursuing the war on drugs" - maybe not, but he hasn't said much of anything about it at all - because it's a very fine balance for him; a lot of his supporters are deeply polarized on the issue, so he just doesn't mention it.

You'd think with drug prohibition being one of the biggest political issues in the USA in the last few years, he would at least have a position on it, wouldn't you?

Lack of a clearly stated position isn't comforting, to me. If anything, it implies deception.
If they intend to maintain the status quo, or take a more (or less?) interventionist approach - do we even know?

If we don't know, i think it's important to ask why not?
Given trump's actions to date, i'm just not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
That's a very specific deal, but i'll play.

Trump has shown no interest in criticizing the drug war — in an April phone call with Duterte, he reportedly congratulated him for doing an “unbelievable job on the drug problem.” Yet Duterte still cautioned Trump against bringing it up. “You want to ask a question, I’ll give you an answer,” he told reporters on Wednesday. “Lay off. That is not your business. That is my business. I take care of my country, and I will nurture my country to health.”

“This is about developing a strongman populist internationale — there’s a solidarity between Trump and all the strongmen around the world,” said Richard Javad Heydarian, the Manila-based author of “The Rise of Duterte.” “Trump was absolutely out of place in [the North Atlantic Treaty Organization], very much isolated among Western allies. He feels at home with people like Duterte, and he loves it. And he knows that Duterte is very popular, not only in the Philippines, but also across the region.”

Duterte, known for his profane rhetoric, has struck a more sinister tone with established critics. He said on Wednesday that if Agnes Callamard, the U.N. special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, investigates him for the killings, “I will slap her in front of you. Why? Because you are insulting me.”

Despite Duterte’s tough talk, he faces serious headwinds at home — including dwindling domestic support for his campaign. In August, after police killed 17-year-old drug suspect Kian Loyd Delos Santos, they said he drew a gun, forcing them to fire; yet witness accounts and surveillance footage suggested that the teenager was shot while unarmed, in police custody.

The body of another teenager, 14-year-old Reynaldo de Guzman, was found in early September, riddled with stab wounds, his head wrapped in packing tape. The last time he’d been seen, 20 days prior, he was with a 19-year-old friend who was also killed by police.

Duterte cast De Guzman’s death as a conspiracy intended to “sabotage” the police. Still, his approval ratings plummeted — the Manila research institution Social Weather Stations in October put his net satisfaction rating at 48%, down 18 points from June.
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Yes it's true.

Trump Praises Duterte for Philippine Drug Crackdown in Call Transcript

...[Trump:]"I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” he said. “Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that.”

Mr. Duterte responded that drugs were “the scourge of my nation now, and I have to do something to preserve the Filipino nation.” Mr. Trump responded that “we had a previous president who did not understand that,” an apparent reference to President Barack Obama, “but I understand that.”
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Here's another link: Trump praises Duterte for 'unbelievable job' cracking down on drugs in the Philippines

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Here's another news story:
TRUMP’S SWAMP OF BILLIONAIRES AND LOBBYISTS REVEALED IN SECRET WHITE HOUSE VISITOR LOGS

BY CHRIS RIOTTA
ON 11/22/17 AT 11:17 AM

Wall Street billionaires, corporate lobbyists and far right conservatives flooded the White House almost immediately after Donald Trump’s presidential victory, newly released White House visitor logs reveal.

The White House was forced to release the list of visitors to five federal offices after the Washington transparency group Property of the People sued under the Freedom of Information Act. The searchable logs, published Tuesday by ProPublica, provide a glimpse into the creation of the president’s political agenda, spearheaded almost entirely by business interests, with little input from consumer advocacy or humanitarian groups.
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Great article. I wonder whose names were redacted (almost 25% of the names were blacked out).
 
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Yes it's true.

Trump Praises Duterte for Philippine Drug Crackdown in Call Transcript



Here's another link: Trump praises Duterte for 'unbelievable job' cracking down on drugs in the Philippines

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Here's another news story:
TRUMP’S SWAMP OF BILLIONAIRES AND LOBBYISTS REVEALED IN SECRET WHITE HOUSE VISITOR LOGS

BY CHRIS RIOTTA
ON 11/22/17 AT 11:17 AM



Great article. I wonder whose names were redacted (almost 25% of the names were blacked out).
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Let me hear this from Trump on my speakers, and I'll regress
 
Lol, i almost prefaced my post with
"...i know you'll dismiss any evidence i offer, cos you a trumper" - but i didn't want to sound bitchy so i gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Gutted. :(










=D
 
Also - nice copy pasta droppo.
Your man trump? He's a piece of shit.

Trump reaffirms support for 'accused child molester' Roy Moore

Donald Trump on Sunday restated his support for Roy Moore, the Republican Alabama Senate candidate who is accused of sexual misconduct with four women, one of whom was 14 when the incident is alleged to have occurred.

In response, Republican senators said Trump was wrong to make a “political” decision to back Moore, rather than take into account the “character of our country”.

Referring to the Democrat Doug Jones, who is marginally ahead in the deep red state, Trump tweeted: “The last thing we need in Alabama and the US Senate is a Schumer/Pelosi puppet who is WEAK on Crime, WEAK on the Border, Bad for our Military and our great Vets, Bad for our 2nd Amendment, AND WANTS TO RAISES TAXES TO THE SKY. Jones would be a disaster!”

Referring to the appointed incumbent, Trump added: “I endorsed Luther Strange in the Alabama Primary. He shot way up in the polls but it wasn’t enough. Can’t let Schumer/Pelosi win this race. Liberal Jones would be BAD!”

Trump did not use Moore’s name but the New York Times reported on Saturday that the president has compared the accusations against the Alabama judge to those against him that arose from the release last October of a 2005 Access Hollywood tape, in which the then businessman was heard to boast about sexually assaulting women.

The Times said the president had told a senator and an adviser he now thinks the tape is “not authentic”. At the time of its release, Trump acknowledged that the voice on the tape was his, and apologised.

Moore denies the allegations against him, which date from 30 to 40 years ago and were first reported by the Washington Post. He has defied the Republican establishment in Congress to stay on the ballot and found support from Steve Bannon, Trump’s former White House strategist, and the president himself.

The South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham was asked on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday if Trump was wrong to back a candidate one reporter speaking to the president this week called an “accused child molester”.

“That’s a political decision by the president,” he said. “From a Republican point of view, I don’t see what winning looks like with Roy Moore. If he wins, we get the baggage of him winning and it becomes a story every day about whether or not you believe the women or believe Roy Moore, should he stay in the Senate or should he be expelled.

“If you lose, you give the Senate seat to a Democrat at a time when we need all the seats we can get.”

The election to fill the seat vacated by the US attorney general, Jeff Sessions, is on 12 December. Republicans hold a 52-48 majority in the Senate, with which they hope to pass tax-cut legislation which Graham said meant “the fate of the party is at stake as well as the [US] economy”.

“The moral of the story is don’t nominate someone like Roy Moore who could actually lose a seat that any other Republican could win,” Graham said. “And from a party perspective, we’ve got to look long term, not short term. I would tell President Trump, if you think winning with Roy Moore is going to be easy for the Republican party, you’re mistaken.”

'Look, he denies it. He totally denies it,' says Trump about allegations against Roy Moore – video
The other South Carolina senator, Tim Scott, appeared on ABC’s This Week. He said: “It is pretty clear to me that the best thing that Roy Moore can do for the country is to move on.

“The reality of it is that the allegations are still very strong, and credible, and the denial has been very weak. [It’s] gotten a little stronger but in my opinion and the opinion of a lot of conservatives and Republicans in the Senate it is time to turn the page because it is not about partisan politics or electing Republicans versus Democrats, it is about the character of our country.

“I want to be on the side of right when history writes its story.”

John Thune of South Dakota told Fox News Sunday it would be in Alabama’s “best interest, and in the country’s best interest and certainly the best interest of our agenda if the president would use his influence to try to get Roy Moore to step aside”, in favour of a write-in candidate.

On Saturday an Alabama sporting great, the NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley, added his voice to the chorus against Moore, saying he should not have been in the running before the sexual misconduct allegations because of his links to Bannon, who Barkley said was a “white separatist”.
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It's nice that you've found it in your heart to accept these people, but don't you think supporting paedophiles is going a bit too far?

Seriously though, how good is that comb-over going to look with a prison uniform? Can't wait to see this mob of mafia creeps go to prison where they belonged.
That's what will happen, especially after kushner rolls over like the dog he is :)
 
Fresco said:
Even after meeting with Duterte, Trump hasnt shown any interest in pursuing the war on drugs.

Trump lost his brother to alcohol/drugs, he doesnt strike me as someone who wants to continue the war on drugs/alcohol
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Ugh, more trolls...

He was ranting and raving about the evils of heroin in the northeast US, pushing for his border wall (though most northeast US heroin isn't coming in through Mexico...)

Trust me, Trump loves the big, beautiful border wall in his mind, and he loves the war on drugs. Especially because it marginalizes the poor and disadvantaged people who didn't vote for him in the first place, and who he has never had empathy for.
 
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