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I prefer the racists be open with their disease.
It makes them easier to marginalize. Just like when the kkk or antifa dresses up in sheets to terrorize people...these actions make their dysfunction clear....of course racists like antifa and the kkk are all cowards...hiding behind sheets.

Racist trolling threads and posts (like the Poland thread -- a Priest specialty) invite caustic posts.

And it's apparently "blua okay" to post idiotic, disingenuous memes for "non-readers"; disgusting, intolerant spammy YouTube crap links; and ignorant racist vitriol? However, don't call someone a racist, a bigot, or a pos white nationalist who inflicts this filth into a discussion?

This issue needs to be addressed by the moderators of this forum and any BLers who substantively contribute on a regular basis.

For this forum, post reporting is not always the best answer. Calling someone what they are publicly is of utmost importance in these times.
 
How about a random "conservative" speaker with a distaste for Democrats. What is the aussie"anti"fa position when one comes to town? Do you burn the whole place down and threaten violence like the fascist "antifa" does in California?

I'm not going to respond to your questions if you keep up this idiotic "fascist antifa" nonsense.

When people say you're deliberately being obnoxious for trolling purposes, that is exactly what they're talking about.
Cut it out, it's really dull.
 
Racist trolling threads and posts (like the Poland thread -- a Priest specialty) invite caustic posts.

And it's apparently "blua okay" to post idiotic, disingenuous memes for "non-readers"; disgusting, intolerant spammy YouTube crap links; and ignorant racist vitriol? However, don't call someone a racist, a bigot, or a pos white nationalist who inflicts this filth into a discussion?

This issue needs to be addressed by the moderators of this forum and any BLers who substantively contribute on a regular basis.

For this forum, post reporting is not always the best answer. Calling someone what they are publicly is of utmost importance in these times.

This is a last-ditch attempt at being constructive.

I hope the mods and regular participants (who haven't left today, which sux :() --and I'm including "other" staff who participate obviously-- can maybe discuss this in a thread?
 
Cduggles, you are mistaken if you think staff are not addressing those sort of posts. We are using the tools we have, but all participants need to contribute by discussing and refuting arguments. Its why insults of all kinds are discouraged because they often come to take the place of discussion.

Its certainly not against the rules to call out somebody for racism. But there are better ways than just outright saying it. Thankfully, much of the time discussion is relatively civil and a number of us keep posting here so its not all bad.

The last page here is pretty awful though.
 
I'm not going to respond to your questions if you keep up this idiotic "fascist antifa" nonsense.

When people say you're deliberately being obnoxious for trolling purposes, that is exactly what they're talking about.
Cut it out, it's really dull.

In his defense, in America Antifa use fascist tactics to shut down any and all speech they dislike. Whether it be Nazi d bags like Richard Spencer or milquetoast conservatives like Ben Shapiro, they use violence to sqelsh speech they dislike. They are especially bad out in California, where they are protected by politicians/ mayors, Tennessee bureau of investigation is about to add them to their terrorist watch list for a reason. I'm thinking Antifa is different in Australia, here they are mostly social rejects looking for a purpose.
 
Theres too many people calling racist .

What your definition of a racist is might be incorrect and calling someone racist when they are not is pretty off putting.

I have racist views personally. I just dont mention that racist standpoint here as its not a good look and not cool. But that doesnt change the fact that I have racist views and dont care if its racist as it is.

I dont get the need for many Americans to describe anyone by their colour ie the "black" widow of a dead soldier.

Who gives a shit what colour she is?
 
Im pretty sure Ive never called the California govt Communist....
Source please. ?

Like I said, straight trolling.

Nothing of what you are saying here is reflected in reality. You're trying to provoke, nothing more.

In case you think I'm being dismissive:
You keep equating Marxism with socialism with strong-arm police states, and yet you use it casually here to describe CA politics, which I'm sure you know dick about. So these definitions you like to defend aren't even consistent.

So far, for instance, Brown has been taking the state out of the fiscal hole left by his Republican predecessor.

I used to live on the Berkeley border (it blends into Oakland and Richmond), and the media portrait is always ridiculous. Nothing you describe remotely happens. The campus is full of conservative Asian kids.

And again, if there were terrorists dressed in black at Charlottesville, they were fucking terrible shots to miss the goddamned murderers. Remember them? The people who actually killed people. Let's whine about some college kids with black t-shirts on their head instead.

But you know all this, and don't care, but say your shit to try and piss the rational voters off. Well you elected your joke, be proud and own it I guess.
 
Cduggles, you are mistaken if you think staff are not addressing those sort of posts. We are using the tools we have, but all participants need to contribute by discussing and refuting arguments. Its why insults of all kinds are discouraged because they often come to take the place of discussion.

Its certainly not against the rules to call out somebody for racism. But there are better ways than just outright saying it. Thankfully, much of the time discussion is relatively civil and a number of us keep posting here so its not all bad.

The last page here is pretty awful though.

I feel the staff is doing quite well and I understand we don't see much of the work you do. Even in a bit of frustration, I definitely should have expressed this and I apologize.

It's actually a possible constraint from blua that I'm trying to reconcile with what is going on from a particular perspective and if it doesn't merit addressing via a thread then I understand.

I took a brief break from this forum and perhaps it's best that I post some articles on topics I hold dear and exit. It's hard to be constructive and I wish I could be moreso.
 
Trump's HHS secretary nominee boosted drug prices while at Eli Lilly

By SARAH KARLIN-SMITH
11/14/2017 12:26 PM EST

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Lilly is one of three drug companies targeted by a class-action lawsuit which accuses the company, then under Alex Azar’s watch, of exploiting the drug pricing system to ensure higher profits for insulin. | Darron Cummings/AP


President Donald Trump tweeted Monday that his nominee for HHS secretary, Alex Azar will “be a star for … lower drug prices!” But the record of the former top executive for Eli Lilly, which tripled the price of a top-selling insulin while he led its U.S. operation, suggests a different story.

Lilly is one of three drug companies targeted by a class-action lawsuit which accuses the company, then under Azar’s watch, of exploiting the drug pricing system to ensure higher profits for insulin and has been fined in Mexico for colluding on the drug’s pricing.
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Sanders and Rep. Elijah Cummings commenced an investigation into Eli Lilly’s rising prices for insulin last year, spurring attorneys generals in Washington and New Mexico to look into the matter. The lawmakers questioned why the prices of the diabetes medicine whose main patent expired 75 years ago have seen huge jumps in recent years, with competitors often raising prices in tandem. One of Eli Lilly’s insulins, Humulin R U-500, rose 325 percent in price from 2010 to 2015.

Cummings tweeted that picking Azar is “like a fox guarding the hen house,” and a “slap in the face,” to Americans waiting for action on lower drug prices.

“I have often said that the pharmaceutical industry owns Washington,” Sen. Amy Klobuchar said on the Senate floor Monday. “Now with this action today they are actually running it.”
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Parting message for Mr. Swillow et al.

I used to think I was as white as driven snow, and then I found Bluelight, to which I find myself downright sun-bronzed in comparison.

Look, the frog-fucking proto-fascists have the rest of the internet, they in no way need help to "have their voices heard", much less couched in some pseudo-intellectual framing that suggests "Fuck those sand-nigger muslins" is a political stance worthy of "debate". Unfortunately, you have staff members who seem to think it's vital that those voices are shared on this board. Staff here would be perma-banned after a single post, at any reputable site, because it's simply not legitimate discourse to say Syrian refugees are coming to outbreed white people and bring down Western Civilization.

As has been pointed out, even the ACLU does not defend the people your moderation staff does--when staff isn't attacking me for calling racist shit trolls what they are. The ACLU (libertarians*, Mr. Seed, you'd get along with them) know that there is no dimension where it is noble to defend those who kill out of hate. They would certainly recognize that comparing those "views" to fellow members is a grievous insult a whole lot worse than calling someone a racist little shit troll.

Honestly, now that the meth is gone, I'm worried about others finding out I ever associated with this forum. Thankfully I'm never going to run for office, because this site would torpedo any chances, and I don't mean because of the drugs.

If you're going to allow threads on white genocide, at least have some threads with titties, for fucks sake.


*I know I've explained what a libertarian is before, but it's clear now that I'd have to explain it every single time I use the term, and that is no longer fun without meth to keep it interesting.
 
This place took a hard lean to the left with the social justice movement, after bardo passed. While he was soundly on the left, he was a just arbiter, and represented both sides via moderation. I think, from personal experience, it's easy to get stuck in your own echo chamber and disregard any challenging view point as "sjw nonsense" "racist" etc. I only posted in here bc I saw that the moderation staff had diversified.
Reminds me of of that transsexual vlogger who wore and MAGA hat in California, and was violently assaulted within minutes. Superficial diversities like skin color, gender, etc are important, BUT the diversity of thought is just as, or if not more so, important to the advancement of society. We must be vigilante in batting down the bad ideas like fascism, communism and others that have killed millions of people.
Those complaining, this forum wouldn't be intriguing if it were an echo chamber. That can't be said enough
 
No need to flame. ^

Yeah I was saying it was a lot better because the moderation was fair. I wouldn't want to see it hard left or right. Also things are more polarized than ever, so that isn't helping one bit either. Generally the left will try to shut down debate or conversation by berating a person, calling them racist, bigoted, Nazi. Not to say folks on the right don't have their problems.
 
mgs said:
3rd try....

Wow about you do the same with POTUS? Your over the top comments and endless Trump bashing are....the same day in and day out.


Actually, I dont want to ask you to do that...you would be boring and ordinary...why not be at peace that I feel different than you....and consider you a fascist communist and I am ok with it. You see me as you do.

How do you not see the hypocrisy here of asking me to "cut it out!"

Stunning

hypocrisy?
I don't see it? All i see is you constantly derailing this thread because you don't like people criticising trump, and we have so much material.

Antifascists are great people - just because your idea of antifa comes from corporate television, that ain't my problem.
It's been explained quite a few times why calling antifa fascists is ludicrous. Continuing to do it while asking me about the "antifa position" on something is just kinda antagonistic.
I woulda have explained to you that antifa doesn't have set positions on things; it's an autonomous movement (that means we think for ourselves)

If you'd just left it at this, i would have answered, but you had to make 3 rambling posts about how antifa are fascists and whatever else you were saying.

What is your take on the appropriate action for an (aussie) antifer to take when Ann Coulter comes to town (in usa) to entertain a crowd with her unique way?
I'm just trying to have a normal conversation without it being derailed by nonsense.
Is that so hard to facilitate?









Droppersneck, if you don't like it; don't post here. Simple.

berating a person, calling them racist, bigoted, Nazi. Not to say folks on the right don't have their problems.

Nonsense. 'The left' here are far more open to debate than the right.
Check out all the rightists saying "antifa are terrorists" or "antifa are a hate group". Nobody here ever shuts the racists down with a label; that's bullshit.
Of course, if you call a racist a racist these days, the right whine about it for days.

Political correctness gawn mad, i tell you.
 
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@drops - you cuck'd now?

@SJ - That's really not the way to go about things though is it?

If you don't like it, leave?

If you don't like it just perm infract, right? Seems right up your alley.

OT: Trump really is a wanker. I just saw this post on FB where someone has an app that writes all of Trump's tweets in crayon and it was p funny.

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As a former benzodiazepine abuser, i can relate to the problem of having a dodgy memory, and i hope trump and his cronies get over their amnesia soon.

Is the Trump administration afflicted with 'Moscow memory'?

For so many people who are close to Donald Trump, Russia is the Bermuda Triangle of their memory.

Conversations and meetings seem to pass through this mysterious quadrant of their brains and simply disappear. Even when the wreckage is found on some server or other, they profess ignorance, confusion or innocence. And sometimes all three at once.
On Tuesday the synapses inside the skull of attorney general Jeff Sessions magically reconnected around a March 2016 campaign meeting in which he heard Trump’s point man on Russian policy discuss how the candidate could get together with one Vladimir Putin.

This is kind of awkward since Sessions had sworn, like the honorable southern gentleman that he is, that there were no absolutely no such contacts with the Russians, no siree.
Fortunately for the former senator, his amnesia has recovered enough to remember that he pooh-poohed the idea of a Trump-Putin meeting. Somehow he could remember none of the other sordid details of what normal people would call collusion.
“I had no recollection of this meeting until I saw these news reports,” Sessions told the House judiciary committee, before he recalled only the details of the meeting that made him look good.
Sadly this sickness may have started inside the Trump family itself, in which case Sessions is just a hapless victim of some brain-corroding virus. After all, Donald Trump Jr, the president’s son, shows repeated symptoms of Moscow Memory.

It is only five long months since we learned about the slick-haired son’s meeting with a Russian lawyer. Luckily his father was on hand to draft a press statement saying the meeting was no big deal: just a casual chat about Russian adoptions.

But then there were all those leaked emails from Trump Jr himself in which he set up the “adoptions” meeting. “I love it,” he wrote, when offered a Russian government trove of “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary”.

Once the emails were public, Trump Jr denounced the leaks and claimed he was being wonderfully transparent after all.
This makes the latest leaks – involving WikiLeaks, no less – all the more conclusive in diagnosing this Putin-induced amnesia. It also makes them more exquisitely ironic.

As reported by the Atlantic, in the final stages of last year’s presidential election, our forgetful protagonist was coordinating campaign efforts and tweets with WikiLeaks.

This was at a time when WikiLeaks was publishing vast gob-loads of hacked emails from the Clinton campaign. It was also at a time when US intelligence agencies had already identified Russia as the source of the hacked emails peddled by WikiLeaks.

A week later, Trump Jr received a direct message from WikiLeaks thanking his father for saying “I love WikiLeaks!” at a campaign rally. The message encouraged him to publicize a search tool for the massive dump of hacked emails. Just 15 minutes later, Trump himself tweeted about the “very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks”.

And then two days later, Trump Jr obliged by posting a tweet directing everyone to the search tool so helpfully suggested by WikiLeaks.

For his part, Trump Jr laments the leaking of his messages with WikiLeaks about their leaks. Being radically transparent himself, he published the thread that was already published, and tried to crack a joke about “my whopping 3 responses”.

Whopping is indeed one way to describe his version of events.
But to really put the whole thing into context, you should probably listen to Mike Pompeo, Trump’s director of the CIA, who said this in April: “It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”

The slow reawakening of the Trump campaign’s recollections about Russia is something of a mystery to those of us who are forced to listen to the man who led the campaign and now purports to lead the nation.

According to Donald J Trump himself, he has “one of the great memories of all time”. Unfortunately his great memory somehow failed him when it came to recalling the existence of his point man on Russia, George Papadopoulos.

Since so much of TrumpWorld is a legacy of the 1980s, this seems to be a good time to recall that classic line in The Bonfire of the Vanities about grand juries indicting ham sandwiches.
Now that we have Robert Mueller’s team engaged with grand juries, we seem to have stumbled on a bumper delivery of quite delicious sandwiches.
There’s the president’s son who coordinated campaign activities with a hostile intelligence service and met with Russian nationals offering stolen information.

There’s the president’s foreign policy aide who has already admitted his guilt in lying to federal officials about coordinating with the Russians.

And there’s the president himself actively promoting the work of the hostile intelligence service, and encouraging its Russian backers to hack some more. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the candidate said at a press conference in July 2016.

Now, as president, the same man says he believes Putin when he says he didn’t meddle with his own election. “Every time he sees me, he says ‘I didn’t do that’ and I really believe that when he tells me that,” Trump told reporters on Saturday.
The next day, he said he believed his intelligence agencies, which flatly contradict Putin.

We could spend years examining the brain scans of the Trump family, and its closest aides, to understand how they could so confidently assert that it is simultaneously both night and day. We could search through endless medical literature for the root causes of this debilitating amnesia that only gets triggered by the words “Putin” and “Russia”.
Or we could leave it to the grand juries to enjoy their ham sandwiches.
 
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