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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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"narcissist douche" is putting it lightly.

call me cynical, but i get a horrible feeling that trump does this sort of cold shit to appeal to his base.
the people that see him as a white supremacist hero that puts america first!

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trump:

"...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help."

this is the mayor of san juan:

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yeah, she's walking through floodwaters with a bullhorn trying to locate people that need rescuing.

what's the fucking donald doing this weekend?
yep. he's playing golf while people are fucking dying due to his inaction.


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awful.

You know I have no love for trump, so know that this is an honest question. What do you think he should be doing instead? I mean I agree this is a pretty appalling look for him. But it reminds me of 9/11 and bush reading my pet goat. Ive always thought the controversy over him not jumping up and racing out of the room was retarded. And I wonder if this is a case of it too.

But, this is a different situation, and this is an honest question, what do you think he should be doing instead? He probably shouldn't be golfing. Even if there actually isn't something else he could be doing, I would think a decent person would have qualms about going golfing just in general principle. So I agree it's not cool that he's golfing, but I am wondering what he could be doing instead.

Granted even if all he could do amounts to very little, it would be more than what he's actually done.
 
I think the question is what should he not be doing, namely not telling those poor people they arent doing enough to help their own cause.
 
yep.

also, there are reports that there are aircraft loaded up with supplies, waiting to go to PR, but trump's not signed the authorisation.
i don't know if those are true - but it doesn't sound far fetched.

he posted a series of tweets highly critical of the mayor of san juan, and first responders (ie amazingly brave, heroic people). they're dealing with a nightmare of unimaginable horror, and he's characteristically thin-skinned over some perceived slight from them.
he's a being a big baby, and people are dying of dehydration and all sorts. for him to be criticising her leadership is beyond appalling.

the other thing he's doing here is incrementally normalising this sort of behaviour from a POTUS.
it's tinpot dictator stuff.
like his handling of north korea, healthcare - all sorts of things, this isn't a game.

people are dying, he could (and should) help them, but instead he goes on twitter, creating drama and hostility, telling puerto ricans not to believe "fake news" - referring to US cable news networks that
a) aren't screened in PR
and
b) he's addressing people that don't have electricity to watch any tv. or food, water, shelter or support.

his wilful negligence is further chipping away at democracy, all of this perverse spectacle further alienates the public.
it all screams "i'm not accountable to anyone or anything", further normalising trump's contempt for public opinion and basic stuff like human dignity and compassion.
he's dangerous. this stuff isn't accidental, or incidental, or inadvertant. it's calculated for political effect.
notice how with trump, everything is an outrage?
it's not just bombast or flamboyance or narcissism - it's deliberate manipulation. it's about him having no accountability, and burning out his opponents' resistance to insane bullshit.
he's prepared to kill people to do it. american citizens.

people need to sit up and realise the significance of that. it's gone way beyond empty violent rhetoric. he's fucking dangerous.
 
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He doesn't treat anything with respect. For someone who wanted to be president so badly he sure doesn't take the job very seriously.

And he's always acting like a baby. It's obvious he's not used to not being surrounded by yes men desperate to suck up to him. Cause he can't handle hearing anything he doesn't want to hear.

This is just horrible. This whole situation, having trump as president. It's just a disaster. I try not to think about it honestly.
 
I figure in the long run, having publicly funded roads, schools, national defense, and even a social safety net is cheaper than the alternative.

Hell, I don't like paying my heating bill either, but it's cheaper than my house freezing, all the pipes bursting, and the resulting water damage basically mimicking that of a flood.
 
So I agree it's not cool that he's golfing, but I am wondering what he could be doing instead.

Granted even if all he could do amounts to very little, it would be more than what he's actually done.

At a time like this, POTUS should physically be at a place where secure communications from an operational SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) can take place with as many experts on the region, officials and heads of relief efforts on the ground, appropriate military representation and others either on hand or standing by to join the conversation.

Secure communications at this level usually means POTUS being in the White House Situation Room and definitely Washington DC. It definitely does not mean a private golf course.

Sensitive conversations such as whether or not to shoot down an airplane full of civilians that is headed toward the White House down need to happen quickly and privately.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but a more realistic one in this case might be the suggestion to use a private contractor over a government resource by an individual with known ties to the contractor. The suggestion might be a crass one to "help out" a political contributor or based on shoddy work by the government agency in the past versus great performance by the contractor in the particular situation. That type of discussion is vital but easily politicized.

Also, the military is often deployed to take care of logistical and security issues. Those discussions should not be overheard by anyone who isn't pertinent to them.

POTUS usually plays two important roles in situations like these:

1. Facilitate coordination of relief efforts: this is a broad responsibility because it depends on the nature of what's needed. Whether it's getting the right people in a room or on the phone together, deployment of resources under executive control, twisting arms or mashing the right bruises (a colorful Texan political phrase), no one potentially helpful in such a situation refuses a call from POTUS.

A relevant example:
If someone like a structural engineer says "this dam might fail any second now" and tens of thousands Puerto Ricans need to evacuate now" then there are two problems.

One is where these people should go and the second is to evaluate the dam for immediate stabilization if possible and structural damage that might cause failure at any given time.

To deal with the structural damage, POTUS can make sure that the Army Corps of Engineers, for example, is dealing with the problem. If a team of structural engineers are at a facility nearby, POTUS can say "make sure they get transported to the safest location and are updated on what is known". This might seem trivial and irrelevant, but ask anyone who has done disaster relief work what the hardest part is. Coordination in some form will be the most frequent reply, guaranteed.

Where do tens of thousands of go safely without straining that location's resources far beyond capacity? It takes a lot of coordination to answer that question, particularly on an island without a lot of infrastructure right now. Food, water, and shelter are a must. Safety is also a concern.

POTUS can greatly help coordinate those large-scale efforts just by being present.

2. Reassurance: POTUS is traditionally a source of comfort and stability during times of great crisis in the US.

The lack of this type of presence from Trump until the criticism piles up ridiculously high illustrates how important this role is.

POTUS usually cares about US citizens, regardless of color or ethnic identity. POTUS speaks to the American people as well as to those directly affected to say "if misfortune befalls you, your country will be there for you."

Some might say it's unimportant, but the backlash that occurred when Trump first visited Houston belies this viewpoint. It was so bad that he had to return and actually interact with individuals directly impacted by the hurricane, including black people.

Trump should have been doing all these things in Washington DC, particularly since important issues were not being addressed in Puerto Rico.

I'm almost okay with Trump resigning and dealing with the Pence/Ryan team. It's that disgusting.
 
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I don't disagree with the sentiment, but a good 75% of the FDA budget comes from the seller--pharma companies. IOW, if you want to market your product in the US, you pay to do the studies to the FDA's satisfaction, plus fees for them to look at it. You wouldn't want taxpayer money to go to testing every random medical invention out there.

It's similar with the USDA and meat inspection. The inspectors work on site in a pretty grueling job, paid for by the company. I just like pointing out the agencies that aren't wholly taxpayer funded, whenever the tax-freaks start pointing fingers. All those sensational stories about ridiculous "research" at taxpayer expense--a lot of that money comes from DOD, an agency that for some reason doesn't get criticized the same way, despite having a budget larger than the rest of the world's combined.




Disclosure: used to write FDA submissions for a pharma company; did DOD-funded research; eat meat.
Whatever my point is the same
 
Why does anyone *like* taxes?

Maybe because it is becoming obvious (as it was in the past, leading to *gasp* taxes and public bureaucracy) that despite inefficiencies a proper government puts the well being of its constituents first whereas a corporation will always put themselves first placing more of a burden (with less return) on the taxpayer in the end.
 
Spread the word. Apparently 46% of Americans don't know Puerto Ricans are American citizens. And it matters!
More Americans Support Aid When Told Puerto Ricans Are U.S. Citizens

SNL probably helped.


Ugh. This just in...
Trump dedicates golf win to hurricane victims

...While Trump this month has sparked a political firestorm with his tweets and comments critical of NFL players who have been protesting during the national anthem, PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan insisted to reporters that Trump’s appearance at the tournament wouldn’t be about politics.
Classy!!
 
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what does it say about america as a world leader that many people view stephen paddock's trunk full of weapons as a right but emergency medical treatment for those he shot and who survived as a privilege?

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alasdair
 
what does it say about america as a world leader that many people view stephen paddock's trunk full of weapons as a right but emergency medical treatment for those he shot and who survived as a privilege?

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alasdair

Ali, I will trust your opinion on this: do I want to go through (at least the more recent parts of) this thread or is the 'discourse' going to make me burn the internet down?
 
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