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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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LOL at people getting angry at politicians lying only when they're not career politicians.
And also lol @ getting angry at inconsequential lies that mean fuck-all vs lies like "i never sent or received classified information onto my private server".
If you're not going to hold previous politicians accountable for perjury then don't get mad when they keep lying right into your faces.

And the vets have been treated so justly and compassionately before Trump?
Any and all problems that Trump inherited are directly caused by him
- thread logic
 
Trump has spent 58 of his 193 days in office away from the White House at his own properties

Source

February 3-6: Mar-a-Lago

February 10-12: Mar-a-Lago

February 17-20: Mar-a-Lago

March 3-5: Mar-a-Lago

March 11: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

March 17-19: Mar-a-Lago

March 25-26: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

April 2: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

April 6-8: Mar-a-Lago

April 13-16: Mar-a-Lago

April 30: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

May 4-7: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

May 14: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

June 3-4:Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

June 3-4:June 9-11: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

June 9-11: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

June 24-25: Trump National Golf Club in
Virginia

June 30-July 3: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

July 4: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

July 9: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

July 14-16: Trump National Bedminster, New Jersey

July 22-23: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia

July 30: Trump National Golf Club in Virginia
 
Wow. Can't say that he has really achieved something important as from day 1, except for getting the greatest crowd ever to see him. ;)
 
Liquid, Soso, I just don't get how you'd support a guy like that. He's like the loud drunk guy at the party, and at first maybe his stories are funny, but you know he made them up a bit, but then it veers into pure fantasy and most people start to back away.

And then someone challenges him about it, and he doubles down on how he so totally is a kung fu master and fucks supermodels when he's overweight out of shape and 70. Then you get embarrassed and call him a cab, since his Lambo's in the shop again.


Or he gets fans who put him in charge. I won't ever understand the human race. This isn't politics. This is a mentally handicapped trust fund kid making up shit, in charge of the country. No, it's not making up where he was when he banged the secretary, he's inventing reality. It is a problem.
 
I dont support him. Think he got the right idea with some things but he goes about it wrong. Getting rid of thousands of illegal immigrants is a good thing. Clamping down in travel from countries with terror links is also good.
Just because I agree with some of the things he does doesn't mean I support him.
 
I posted this in Drugs in the Media, but as this is Bluelight, I wanted to share this here as well. It's awful.

Also, the recommendations of the Opioid Committee chaired by Governor Chris Christie with Jared Kushner, which I also posted in DitM, are completely different and much more reasonable than this mess.

In March, as president, Trump pledged “to help those who have become so badly addicted."

The Latest: Democrats criticize Sessions' plan on addiction

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Aug 2, 2017, 2:30 PM ET

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions says the Justice Department will dispatch 12 federal prosecutors to cities ravaged by addiction.

The prosecutors will focus exclusively on investigating health care fraud and opioid scams
that are fueling the nation's drug abuse epidemic.

Sessions unveiled the pilot program during a Wednesday speech in hard-hit Ohio, where eight people a day die of accidental overdoses.

Sessions is calling the group of prosecutors the "opioid fraud and abuse detection unit."

The attorney general says prosecutors will rely on data in the efforts to root out pill mills and find health care providers who illegally prescribe or distribute narcotics.


More than 52,000 Americans died of overdoses in 2015 — a record — and experts believe the numbers have continued to rise.
 
And also lol @ getting angry at inconsequential lies that mean fuck-all vs lies like "i never sent or received classified information onto my private server".
if he'll lie about the most mundane facts which are so easily checked, why would anybody believe a word he says about anything?

his need for validation seems unhealthy for somebody in his position.

alasdair
 
Right before the tumbleweed post.
Like I said I'm not from the US so I'm not bothered what he does.
At the moment it's not affecting me.
Think you need to get used to the way things are. Trump does what he likes and doesn't give a fuck what people think.
He's in charge, if he wants to see people's/companies tax returns and not declare his own then that's the way it's going to be.

Sounds horrifying.
 
Glad I don't live in America

me too - but lots of people i care about do - so it is troubling.
it's also worth remembering that events in the US tend to affect the whole world.

two events spring to mind to illustrate this - The Black Tuesday Wall Street crash of 1929, and the events of 11th September 2001 both affected the course of human history significantly. it certainly wasn't restricted to american people.
things happening in america are probably even more likely to have global effects in this era post-globalisation.
the US empire has has wrapped up most of the world in its economic, political and social influence.
nobody is immune to the flow-on effects of the dysfunctional states of United States politics at the moment, even if it seems far removed from the UK or australia (for example).

democracy is a pretty fragile thing, and it is under attack at the moment, with some insanely wealthy and powerful people leading the charge.
to me it seems more important than ever to hold politicians to account. i certainly don't accept that trump's a liar and that's just how things are; those of us who disagree with him need to make it as difficult as we possibly can for him to do his shady dealings.
it's no time to be complacent.
i see it as a civic duty to resist tyranny.
 
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The UK, especially after voting for Brexit, is more reliant on the USA than ever. People in the US are excited about dealing with a country with absolutely no leverage. I know the UK has an above average level of sophistication, but when it comes to dominating weak trading partners the USA is truly #1. A note to people in the UK...if it sounds too good to be true, it is too good to be true. To use a Chinese proverb making the rounds, once you're on the back of a tiger it's best not to get off. The solution, naturally, is never to get on the back of a tiger.

Don't think this fuckery won't effect you. There are many good brains working on getting the ship righted, but if vulnerabilities are not addressed expect someone far better equipped in the art of exploitation. Seeing as how our congressmen work for the highest bidder, and not their constituents, do not expect the vulnerabilities to be addressed.
 
Liquid, Soso, I just don't get how you'd support a guy like that.

It's complicated. I somewhat agree with many of the criticisms leveled against him. I didn't care for him at all previously or even in the primaries but I also eventually recognized the extreme media smear campaign against him. A big factor in if one supports Trump or not is how pleased you were with the situation beforehand. If your opinion of Obama is "overall good" or you think he is "cool" or "charming" then you are not honestly observing the situation. If you are unable to recognize that most politicians are psychopaths (or are blackmailed/compromised) then I am not surprised that you would look at Trump like a monster. The situation got SO bad that not only did Trump think that he would win, he actually did. ALL of your hatred should be directed at Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the intelligence agencies and the media. They literally let Trump win. They cheated a candidate that could have beat him and instead inserted someone who was unelectable. Can't you see that people are sick of that shit? And Trump winning has been a blessing in that it has further exposed a lot of the shady (and potentially treasonous) shit that is going on behind the scenes among the political cabal.

I do get it though - it was comfortable before. Nobody cares that the US was bombing seven countries and funding terrorism because Barack would deliver a nice speech and remind us that the USA is the good guy and they were doing positive things for the country - but it was objectively not the case. And at the end of the day, nobody is going to risk their lives or the lives or their family just for an ego-boost. Did Trump receive a massive ego boost by becoming President? Of course. Was it his main reason for running? Definitely not.

Long story short - for many people Trump felt like a godsend. Finally we get a candidate who acts like a real person and is not completely entrenched into the criminal political world (if they had proof of him committing crimes we would've seen it during the election). Sometimes it takes an arrogant douchebag to stand up to other arrogant douchebags. A lot more people support him than you think, and that is mostly a case of being against the corrupt system and destructive path that we were headed previously. Is he going to fix everything? Probably not but that is only because the previous administrators led us all into an irresolvable situation. But at least he's going to try. And if the truth does come about what the previous administration was really doing then his support will grow even further.
 
Finally we get a candidate who acts like a real person...
i think you have your head in the sand if that's your belief.

...and is not completely entrenched into the criminal political world...
he's corrupt. just in a different way. he's broken so many promises already, continues to tell lie after lie after lie every day which has eroded trust in washington even more and has ushered in the 'post truth' era which is a modern tragedy, and has placed corporate interest on a pedestal to as much, if not a greater extent, that the politicians for whom you have so much disdain.

it's business as usual in d.c. and i think you're unable or unwilling to recognize that. not a little ironic :)

alasdair
 
Yeah, I am a far lefty who despises Trump, and I honestly agree wholeheartedly with most of that post except for the end when you get to the part where you seem to think Trump is not deeply entrenched in the same corrupt world as Clinton et al.
 
not aimed at you specifically but, for me, there is a significant amount of cognitive dissonance or delusion at play when i hear a trump supporter say "i like him because he's such a straight shooter"

i can totally respect somebody supporting him because of a policy position - you want a massive, multi-billion dollar wall on the southern border, fine! - but he's the most pants-on-fire liar we've seen in a long time. liking him because he's a 'straight shooter' or 'at least you know where he stands' is, frankly moronic.

alasdair
 
Yeah, I am a far lefty who despises Trump, and I honestly agree wholeheartedly with most of that post except for the end when you get to the part where you seem to think Trump is not deeply entrenched in the same corrupt world as Clinton et al.

it's interesting to me that a lot of the political issues that have apparently lead people to support trump are the same things a lot of the radical left were campaigning about 15-20 years ago, except to my mind, the conclusions the trump support base has come to are wrong.

i'm talking about critiques of globalism/globalisation - and of false, manipulative media.

the problem with trump, as i see it, as that he gained support from people who are suffering from the growing wealth disparities in the Western world.
the people who have been left behind in an economy that has outsourced manufacturing and is rapidly automating a lot of the jobs are clearly feeling the pinch - but under trump, they will be far worse off.
his most loyal supporters will be the ones hit hardest, because he's not working to correct the massive wealth inequality in the USA - he's making it worse.
people that won't be able to afford healthcare, that are having public services cancelled all around them, may not even notice this before it is too late, because everything is a big circus with him.
the lying, hyperbole and chaos that surrounds his administration is all about distraction.
if people are constantly talking about his shameless lies, they tend to overlook the funds he is ripping out of government institutions that don't fit in with his very parochial, anti-intellectual worldview.

his scapegoating of various groups of people (immigrants, muslims, transgender folk in the military etc etc etc) is designed to deflect criticism of the really important things he is destroying; things that deserve scrutiny - but that are avoiding it, because he's all about showmanship, and deliberately whipping up outrage.

the sad thing is that people were sold this idea that trump would come along and shake things up, but he's actually making some of those problems (like the widening gap between america's rich and poor) a lot worse.

trump supporters also seem to be under the impression that he will not be a warmonger like his predecessors.
this also is false. he has overseen bombings in Afghanistan and Syria that have killed hundreds of civilians - and his sabre-rattling against North Korea, Mexico and even more worrying - China - has a lot of us on edge.

so, i'm not seeing evidence of trump fixing any of the problems that the people that voted for him were concerned about.
all he seems to have done is blamed a lot of other people for america's problems, which isn't doing much to help matters.

i understand the desire to smash the status quo, and i can totally relate to it.
but replacing the status quo with an even more polarising, myopic and dysfunctional regime is having the opposite effect of what was intended.
i think a lot of americans will be far worse off (financially and socially) by the end of trump's presidency - but not the mulit-millionaires or billionaires.
i think his administration is hell-bent on destroying a lot of US government programs which they don't seem to understand.
it's certainly unsettling to see the funding stripped out of scientific and diplomatic institutions. it does not bode well for the future of the United States as a "beacon of democracy".
the oligarchy is being reinforced, power is being consolidated by the corporate elite - and trump really just looks like a bumbling kleptocrat.
 
Expect Trump's tweets to reflect STRESS, because IT IS ON!

Mueller's latest move in the Trump-Russia probe may foreshadow a 'large-scale series of prosecutions'

* FBI Special Counsel Robert Mueller empaneled a grand jury in recent weeks to help him investigate Russia's election interference.


* The move signals that the scope of the investigation is broadening, and the jury has already issued subpoenas.

* Investigators have also seized on Trump's financial ties to Russia as a potential avenue of investigation, according to CNN.

This also a source for an earlier post stating that Mueller "added a 16th lawyer to his team of investigators: Greg Andres, a former DOJ official who managed the department's program targeting illegal foreign bribery."
 
Apparently Trump got to hang up the phone first. Way to go Trump. F** your allies, f** them all.
 
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