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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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LiquidMethod said:
Also, to give you some idea of just how difficult it is to change things.
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irrelevant! trump is the greatest negotiator ever. the best! he does the best negotiating. he has the oval office and the house and the senate. combine that with his biglyest negotiating skills, getting things done will be a breeze! nobody understand healthcare like donald trump. that one will be easy. he won't have to revert to signing loads and loads of executive orders like his evil predecessor did. bad!

no, wait. nevermind.

LiquidMethod said:
You're thinking them...
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again you know what i am thinking. bravo!

LiquidMethod said:
Look how a visit to speak to a rally of Boy Scouts was twisted by some MSM to appear as if he was leading a new movement of Hitler Youth.
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yeah - opening with "Who the hell wants to speak about politics when I'm in front of the Boy Scouts?" then 35 minutes of politics? that speech? it was mostly just creepy to me.

LiquidMethod said:
Repealed the TPP
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i think that is a negative. q.e.d.

LiquidMethod said:
Also I mentioned only a page or two ago that Trump halted the CIA funding of terrorists in Syria. I'm going to assume you just forgot about that one (or possibly even refused to acknowledge it due to confirmation bias)...
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no - i think that's a good thing but don't let that stop you from, yet again, telling yourself you know better than i do what i think and feel :)

alasdair
 
fla said:
He will play that card at the opportune time.
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What card? The "Start a War" card? Opportune for him, or the "corporate interests that own the political process"?

Did you just say Trump is owned by corporate interests and will start a war for them?

OK, I see, "Florida". Still doesn't explain Liquid. Drugs? Could drugs be it?


somerandomdude said:
But hard drug use inevitably involves an erosion of one's true personality and the emergence of a "Gollum" esque creature who does anything necessary to get on.
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So what's a "hard drug" then? Booze will rot mind and soul pretty damn fast. Thankfully you can get loaded for under five dollars just about anywhere, otherwise the cities would be burning. Of course, give it to a lot of college white boys and they'll set the city on fire anyway.

They called it "gentrification" when I moved to Oakland in the late nineties, too. I called that neighborhood the only place a recent grad could afford. I have a feeling Manhattan real estate prices had far more to do with a shift in the demographics than anything Guiliani did.
 
I've just been looking at some of the medical reasons that will prevent you joining the army and I'm not surprised transgenders are t going to be allowed to serve.
If someone with something like eczema can't join why should a trans?
 
Soso78 said:
If someone with something like eczema can't join why should a trans?
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except people with eczema can join the military. the disqualifying condition is, in full: "Atopic dermatitis or eczema, with active or residual lesions in characteristic areas (face, neck, antecubital, and or/popliteal fossae, occasionally wrists and hands), or documented history thereof after the age of 8."

why did you choose to omit that important part? rhetorical question. no need to answer :)

if trump is so concerned about tremendous medical costs, maybe he should do something about that with, oh i don't know, a heathcare strategy that isn't just a $400 billion boondoggle for the rich? call me crazy.

according to rand corp., medical care for transgender military personnel would add $8.4 million to the medical costs of all active duty service members. that's one tenth of one percent of military medical care. $8.4 million could be covered 47619 times by $400 billion. just saying.

and disruption? depending on who you read, there are 1500 - 15000 transgender individuals currently serving. am i missing something? are there a massive numbers of transgender people queuing up to join the military and trump's just addressing this 'problem' before it starts? no? then can somebody help me understand the nature of the current disruption which is prompting this ban?

is it possible this has absolutely nothing at all to do with medical costs and/or disruption? i think so.

alasdair
 
"Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs..." (trump tweet, june 14 2016)

except your freedom to serve your country in the military.

"As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology" (trump speech to the rnc, july 21 2016)

but not hateful domestic ideology.

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alasdair
 
Yes, you're right Zoser, a band-aid costs less than surgery.

I bet corrective lenses for the military costs more than all expenses on transgendered, by far and forever. Let's just shoot people without 20/20 vision.

You're digging awful hard for a reason to support this ban that will never go into effect, which is just your boy's latest misunderstanding of something smarter people asked him:

"Mr. Pres, we need your support on this bill, we need more horseshit to feed our bases for next year's midterms, and they still think RuPaul's gonna diddle their kids in a Target bathroom. We got trannies and queers and soldiers and the VA this time, keep 'em talking all season! Y'know, we can work a money-for-that-big-wall angle, too . . . "

"I BAN ALL THE TRANNIES!!'" [no one cheers] "Have I fired Sessions yet?"
 
Fuck knows mate lol you seemed to have lots of stats so thought you would know.
I'd guess it's a similarly small percentage to trans yet they're still not allowed to join up.
 
You know, they don't kick you out, or off the VA rolls along with your family and pension, if you get excema in the future.
 
No, he did it because the cost of telling a transgender to go see a shrink is sucking every last penny from out military budget. It's real businessmanship, just like he promised.
 
^^^

Sounds very sensible to me, why on earth should taxpayers pay to train someone that has a medically defined DSM-5 mental disorder to be an efficient killer?

Hopefully Trump purges the perverted "doctors" that use tax funded medicaid to preform Frankenstein surgeries at the costs of tax payers.
 
Congress is working on the doctor purge. Soon, the right wing agenda will be moving forward full force, with all of science gone, Jesus might finally come back.
 
Soso78 said:
I'd guess it's a similarly small percentage to trans yet they're still not allowed to join up.
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except, again, that's not accurate is it?

this time i invite an answer - why did you choose to omit the important part?

david wooderson said:
sounds very sensible to me, why on earth should taxpayers pay to train someone that has a medically defined dsm-5 mental disorder to be an efficient killer?
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are you arguing for the military to improve its process to ensure that the large numbers of existing members with mental disorders - many of whom skirted the rules and circumvented regulations - are purged from the military?

a 2014 "jama psychiatry" study published by the ama"found that some 25% of non-deployed u.s. military members had some sort of mental disorder, including panic disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (adhd) and depression, and two-thirds of these had their conditions prior to enlisting.

more than 11% of u.s. military enlistees had more than one disorder, the study found. intermittent explosive disorder was the most common condition found — some 8% of those in the study had it."

your timing is curious - how long has mental health and u.s. military recruiting been an issue for you?

alasdair
 
I didn't omit the important part, I dont see it as important.
If a guy with a skin condition is seen as unfit to join then why shouldn't someone with mental health issues also be seen as unfit?
 
Here is a prepared statement given to Senators for the testimony of Bill Browders which was held today before the Senate Judiciary Committee. This provides a good deal of context in regards to Trump Jr.'s meeting with Russian operatives last year. No wonder we are seeing diversion tactics from the WH. This is pretty damning for those involved, and makes for a good read.

I hope that my story will help you understand the methods of Russian operatives in Washington and how they use U.S. enablers to achieve major foreign policy goals without disclosing those interests
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-to-the-senate-judiciary-committee/534864/
 
alasdairm said:
are you arguing for the military to improve its process to ensure that the large numbers of existing members with mental disorders - many of whom skirted the rules and circumvented regulations - are purged from the military?

a 2014 "jama psychiatry" study published by the ama"found that some 25% of non-deployed u.s. military members had some sort of mental disorder, including panic disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (adhd) and depression, and two-thirds of these had their conditions prior to enlisting.

more than 11% of u.s. military enlistees had more than one disorder, the study found. intermittent explosive disorder was the most common condition found — some 8% of those in the study had it."

your timing is curious - how long has mental health and u.s. military recruiting been an issue for you?
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Yes they should greatly improve the mental health screening of recruits to ensure that we are not training unhinged psychopaths to become efficient killing machines.

It has been an issue for this country since 66' with Charles Whitman, in fact many serial killers were ex military.

Trannies are 30% more likely to be homeless than heterosexuals, they are up to 40% more likely to successfully commit suicide than their heterosexual counterparts.

Why on gods green earth would you then let a person that has a specific mental disorder that causes problems with those astronomical figures in the role of trained killer?

By the same regard why not let people with severe brain injures, Parkinsons and severe psychosis serve in active combat, all for the sake of feelz and equality?

The US needs a strong united Armed Forces, not a tolerant, hip and politically correct one, only reason socialized euro nations get away with it is because the USA IS their only defense, while their armies are playing toy soldiers.
 
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