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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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another blow for trump - democratic and republican leaders of the senate intelligence committee effectively calling him out as a liar:

"Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016,"

queue the spin.

alasdair
 
When he said that Obama "wire tapped" him, what he meant was that when he had Obama as a guest in trump tower he was caught tapping his fingers against the speaker wire.
 
alasdairm said:
another blow for trump - democratic and republican leaders of the senate intelligence committee effectively calling him out as a liar:

"Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016,"

queue the spin.

alasdair
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I don't think its a blow. Trumps "fans" as he calls them, will just shrug this off as not that big of a deal, while they all lose healthcare coverage. Their hate towards brown races is so strong that nothing trump does will ever override the fact that they think they are going to "take america back" from brown ppl.

Trumps knows this, he appealed to their hate. It was quite genius on his part, he played these poor white people and they don't even realize it.

The poor, uneducated electorate that voted him in, does not see what an embarrassment trump is, they don't perceive it as anything. They are just happy that the insurance plan won't have a black guys name associated with it anymore even if it means losing healthcare and dying.

notice how we have not heard a thing from him about hillary, His attacks and accusations hare directed at only one democratic politician, the black one. I'm usually not the kind to play the race card for everything...but in Trumps case its a deliberate strategy to maintain support among white america that has worked beeautifully and will continue to work no matter what he does.

They don't see it as trump looking like a dipshit, they see it as an attack on a black president, which is a positive thing for them even if its not true.
 
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core trump fans will apologise and make excuses for just about anything he says or does and any campaign promise he breaks.

but he won because of hillary and also because of independents. many americans supported trump despite serious misgivings and he may find that support harder to rely on next time round.

alasdair
 
Ryan01 said:
If he fucks around with Iran (our whole foreign policy in the ME for years has been what's best for israel, not America)
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You know that Republicans in general are all about trying to start war with Iran, right? Remember when the Republican Senate took the unprecedented step of undermining a President's foreign policy by sending a letter to Iran saying that they would kill any deal from the inside?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-treason-by-attempting-to-sabotage-iran-deal-
 
quiet roar said:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how he handles the relationship with Iran, because previously it has been a joke, if not a tragedy.
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So far, it's not looking too good. What specifically are you referring to in your post though? Obama reached a level of diplomacy with Iran during his tenure that was unimaginable eight years ago. We've regressed far from that point in the last few months.
 
I meant everything from the toppling of the Shah up to the last administration. Obama actually did manage to reverse some of the damage. And yep, I agree that things will most likely revert to form under Trump.
 
I'm pretty sure lots of people are ashamed to be german with merkel in charge too. Especially after the open door immigration policy fuck up.
I like the way trump completely blanks her handshake even when all the press are shouting handshake lol
 
^ germany's immigration policy is not a disaster, that's just what idiots like farage say. they were one of the few countries that tried to do something to help people in this terrible global humanitarian disaster.

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Watching Trump with Angela Merkel was just disturbing. He just comes across as a grub. I would be embarrassed to be American with him in charge.
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wasn't it?

he's really devoid of any dignity whatsoever, even when he's President of the USA.
no manners at all, just a total boor. the contrast between trump and real politicians is so striking, especially someone like Merkel who is quite the diplomat, regardless of what you think of her politics.

utterly cringeworthy. he's just a completely undignified old creep.
weird how people relate to awful people because they approve of things they do. i don't get it at all.
 
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Maybe not a disaster but a fuck up, which is why I said fuck up.
Idiots like farage say it but so do a lot of german citizens, even merkkell admitted she made mistakes and immigration policy is flawed.
 
all immigration policy is flawed because nation states are just outdated constructs and artificial lines drawn on maps.

even if trump doesn't like that germany - more than most countries - does attempt to do its part to be a good global citizen, offering diplomatic solutions and humanitarian assistance to people in dire need, he could show a little grace about it.
instead, he acts like a grumpy toddler when confronted with things out of his intellectual and ideological depth.

the idea that outright hostility and rudeness is a reasonable response to a country's compassionate immigration efforts is really bizarre.

the only thing i enjoy about seeing him meet world leaders is the subtle, yet clear bemusement on the faces of distinguished leaders when having to communicate with this freak.

it's like taking your old granddad with Alzheimer's into a computer store to help you decide which laptop to buy; it's hard to tell who is being the most demeaned by the experience - and you have to laugh, even though mortality and humiliation are staring you in the face (and petulantly refusing to shake your hand).
maybe all those zombie movies in recent years were trying to warn us about this. everyone associated with trump does seem to be some kind of walking corpse - and it goes without saying that if they're not stopped, we are all fucked.
 
Grandad with Alzheimer's just cracked me up lol cheers sj ive just spat coffee over my phone!!

I'm not big politics (as you've probably noticed) IVe never even voted. I'm happy trump is president simply because I find it funny and it stirs things up a bit, Got a feeling I won't be laughing in the long run though, I think it's going to end really badly for everyone not just america.
 
absolutely.
we're two months into the presidency and there is all this talk of war with north korea, china, iran - amongst others.

not just talk either - but huge escalations in military spending, threats, bluster and posturing in an arena that is not reality tv - it's nuclear fucking brinksmanship.

it's fucked up and deeply troubling. this guy could literally destroy all our lives in an instant, and we are powerless to stop him.

it is trump on the international stage that demonstrates what a danger he is to humanity. there are plenty of small things too - and endless distractions and red herrings - but having someone as thin-skinned, unhinged, unprofessional and anti-intellectual as trump as the commander in chief of the biggest military the world has ever seen is straight-up horrifying.

makes Dr Strangelove seem almost quaint.
 
Soso78 said:
Maybe not a disaster but a fuck up, which is why I said fuck up.
Idiots like farage say it but so do a lot of german citizens, even merkkell admitted she made mistakes and immigration policy is flawed.
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MERKEL BOMBSHELL: Chancellor didn't shut border because of how it would play on TV news

-in this world of political correctness, and what everyone else thinks...

“In the end, Angela Merkel refused to assume responsibility even as everything was in place to close the borders so they remained open - without an explicit decision.”

http://socialpsychonline.com/2015/11/psychology-ostracism-feeling-excluded/

I read somewhere- but can't find the source exactly this moment, that the drive to belong is stronger than the drive to not be physically injured (and perhaps, not do things that you feel would cause you to be ostracized, which makes sense in the context of the woman Merkel not shutting down the border). And that this may help explain how people react to the immigration from the Islamic world, and other regions, and perhaps don't act on their "racist" feelings more. Belonging is a strange thing, though. Americans and westerners in general are supposed to have this, according to expectation, acceptance of everyone. Nothing, unless it is stated as clearly aggressive or not inclusive, (and explicitly stated, and even so, many won't accept that view), can be "anti-American" or against our way of life (Islam definitely is). Also, remember, you were an immigrant too. And there is absolutely no difference between Irish and English and Somalian and English. Just to make sure I don't see the difference is obvious, I want you to tell me the difference. Don't mention they look radically different, and will fracture off into different bodies, either, that's racist...

Some people will "do the right thing" even to their detriment, and like Merkel, others' detriments. Merkel is the type of personality that would invite the Zombie apocalypse in because cameras were on and she saw a cute little girl.
 
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