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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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Thats a bit harsh Ali. Ryan is at least ten though he does appear to be at the lower end of the IQ scale. He must be decended from those god damn immigrants
Someone is a bit upset..time to retreat into your safe space :)
i have no idea how old he is. but i did it when i was, you know, 8.

:)

alasdair
But of course you have no problem coming up with nicknames for Trump

I think there will be blowback from this. I sense a massive, reactive surge from the left in the not so distant future.

I hope so at least...
They've been having daily meltdowns since election night. Everything he does gets their vaginas dripping.
 
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It's not biased to say that trump is a fuck up.
He's a pathetic joke, but the joke is really on anyone deluded enough to support the corrupt baby-man.

By any objective measure, the behaviour of the so-called trump administration is "really bad".
You enjoy being shit on by the rich?

I just can't wait to see it all come crashing down.


the jobless poor ppl responsible for electing him think getting shit on is worth it because hes going to create all these jobs for them out of thin air, Not manufacturing his products of course...but other companies
 
They've been having daily meltdowns since election night. Everything he does gets their vaginas dripping.

Charming.

Trump is inept and its becoming clearer and clearer. You actually support this guy and yet he is really scuttling your cause. Or do you just like the fact he's an unpleasant asshole?
 
Charming.

Trump is inept and its becoming clearer and clearer. You actually support this guy and yet he is really scuttling your cause. Or do you just like the fact he's an unpleasant asshole?
Maybe that's what he wants you to believe. ;)
He has a plan in place to expose and destroy the media, democratic party, and highly politicised and corrupt elements of the IC (who are enemies of the American people, JFK knew this)
 
He should be in a fucking nursing home with all the bitter unfuckables that voted for him.
Won't be long.
 
It won't, but the (real) Left hasn't done anything of particular significance in the U.S. in the past forty or so years? (I don't mean the "gay rights" and "diversity," etc. dog-whistling, modestly successful at best attempts at gun-grabbing, or Obamacare, or whatever lame manufactured and/or just plain not-actually-Left things, while the late-capitalist state and corporate apparatus continues to chug on like a runaway train.) There will surely be a resurgence, but the Trump movement itself was a resurgence, and both sides are both empowered (and simultaneously, paradoxically, by "slacktivism") paralyzed by the Internet (and to some degree partisan news and radio as well.) Either way, I expect "interesting times" (in the Chinese sense) in years to come. I am not sure how close we are to political violence.

To revolution and counterrevolution and widespread rioting and people being dragged away in the middle of the night, probably not, but I wonder. The two most extraordinary revolutionary political forces of the 20th century came from rather rag-tag origins, all you really needed, then anyway, was some intellect, some charisma, and some muscle, most of all, a "good crisis not to let go to waste" and situations in which the military and police apparatuses are splintered from the State, or ineffectual; the NSDAP, after all, started as disaffected a few reactionary theorists backed by SD beer-bar bullies of questionable morals and muscle for NSDAP from the various reactionary Friekorps of veterans; the Bolsheviks started began as disaffected petty intellectuals turned exiles, drawing their muscle from rural and urban riffraff, both aided and abetted by the experiences of the Great War and meddling that happened in their respective countries and movements by outside elements.

Now, the modern surveillance state wouldn't allow all of that (and remember, "right wing militias" were labeled as "the greatest domestic terrorist threat" by the Obama administration, that is, the same Clinton-era "black helicopter" and "militia" crowd, many of whom, just like so many left-wing movements, were coöpted by spies and agents provocateurs mostly from the FBI—the secret police of a country that "doesn't have a secret police"—and even more shadowy agencies.)

The thing is, that there really is only "one party" in power, the neoliberal-neoconservatives, Trump jumped the line a bit and on occasion refuses to tote it (although the majority of his appointees, Sessions probably being a genuine counterexample, tend to belie the latter tendency.) The almost-inevitable seeming President Pence is surely on the righter end of the Republican spectrum, but the spectrum between the two "parties" is not that great at all on their core loyalties, orientations and ideologies.

So looking for a "revolution" may have both "sides" severely disappointed, the least either of our "sides" can likely hope for is to stave off whatever in the other that we find the most noxious (which for me, and probably for many of my friends on the left, be around issues of identity; while at the same time, my hopes for a new socioeconomic order and "social justice" in the traditional sense of the word would be far more at home amongst Bernie Sanders and those considerably to the left than him than my ideas on identity, whereas soi-disant "liberal"[U.S.] politicians present an almost perfectly exacting opposite inversion.)
 
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But of course you have no problem coming up with nicknames for Trump
substantiate that with examples please.

They've been having daily meltdowns since election night.
pointing out his disingenuousness and deceit is not having a meltdown any more than news you don't like is 'fake news'.

he made some bold claims, boldest of all might be the wall and a "terrific" replacement for obamacare. the house majority leaders unveiled a plan we've been waiting years for and it absolutely stinks and everybody knows it. republican senator called it (the american healthcare act) "exactly the type of back-room dealing and rushed process that we criticized Democrats for."

the trump presidency is in absolute tatters.

alasdair
 
The only reason that there are so many criticisms of the Trump administration is because the losers of the election (who were sure that they would win) are now attempting to deligitimize and unseat the President from power, by any means necessary. That includes illegal and unconstitutional means which we are now seeing coming back to bite them in their asses.

Ironic how supposed liberals are rallying against the anti-establishment President and vocally demonizing him, sans any coherent arguments apart from MSM-fueled character assassinations.
 
Anti-establishment billionaire trump. Lol

But he is, though, although not in the way that some of his admirers imagine. He is anti-Establishment, without a doubt, he is a few generations from New Jersey speculators and construction workers in a generation or two. This is not the kind of background that is going to endear you to the Establishment—any of them, really—culturally. He is a loud presence was always a loud tabloid presence but in New York Society is looked down as a boor and a lechardous old imbecilic noveau riche. New England and Southern Society would not even imagine admitting him. The only "Establishment" he really was in, and even then, he was still probably looked down as a boor and an imbecile, was in the Entertainment Establishment, who, by their links to the Western Establishment, are very liberal, so they abandoned him at once. The only "Establishment" Trump is a party to is one defined by his money and monetary connections. But that is a very different thing than "the Establishment" as such, or in the very least, I think it differs substantially in it's connotations.
 
Maybe that's what he wants you to believe. ;)

Or maybe he is inept.

I have to ask; why are you cool with him feigning ineptitude so fucking well? :D

He has a plan in place to expose and destroy the media, democratic party, and highly politicised and corrupt elements of the IC (who are enemies of the American people, JFK knew this)

Are you sure of this? There is no evidence of a plan whatsoever. It truly seems like he is making this up as he goes.

You must have submitted almost entirely to this guy if you can't see this. :\
 
But he is, though, although not in the way that some of his admirers imagine. He is anti-Establishment, without a doubt, he is a few generations from New Jersey speculators and construction workers in a generation or two. This is not the kind of background that is going to endear you to the Establishment—any of them, really—culturally. He is a loud presence was always a loud tabloid presence but in New York Society is looked down as a boor and a lechardous old imbecilic noveau riche. New England and Southern Society would not even imagine admitting him. The only "Establishment" he really was in, and even then, he was still probably looked down as a boor and an imbecile, was in the Entertainment Establishment, who, by their links to the Western Establishment, are very liberal, so they abandoned him at once. The only "Establishment" Trump is a party to is one defined by his money and monetary connections. But that is a very different thing than "the Establishment" as such, or in the very least, I think it differs substantially in it's connotations.
Isn't the russian mafia/kleptocracy an establishment of sorts?
He may be looked down upon in mainstream American political circles, but amongst rogues and oligarchs, he seems pretty well connected.

I mean, his links to the Russian establishment seemed fairly developed..
More of a scofflaw than an outlaw.
 
Are you sure of this? There is no evidence of a plan whatsoever. It truly seems like he is making this up as he goes.

You must have submitted almost entirely to this guy if you can't see this. :\

On the flipside, you are unable to see how clever he is.
For one, he WON the fucking election - against all odds, surviving a concerted campaign against him via the entire establishment/MSM/deep state/globalists etc
And since then he has not only masterfully trolled the mainstream media who are attacking him 24/7 (plus ignoring any positive actions he has taken), he has also managed to come out unscathed and even a few steps ahead of everyone.

He knew what he was getting into before he ran (which is why nobody can find any substantial dirt on him), and he knew the type of resistance and insidious attacks he would face if he did manage to become president.

If you judge someone by their actions, then he is incredibly intelligent, cunning and successful. You may continue to believe he is an inept idiot, but you are only doing a disservice to yourself by: refusing to accept the reality presented to you, and you will also be unable to predict or recognize what is coming in the future.

On the bright side though, you will continue to be surprised. And that's also kinda fun.
 
I don't believe for a second that he was that Russian-connected as such. Had business associations, inevitably people with shady ties, in Russia? Sure. But as a percentage of his global assets, etc.? Nah. Wouldn't be for him to put his primary energy into. Russia naturally has interests in not having Hilary Clinton (much less anti-Russian that Trump, certainly, but to a dangerous, nuclear-chicken degree), and in messing around in our political process, just as we have been since glastnost to an extraordinary degree. They may or may not (probably were) have been involved in some election propaganda; but I really do not think Trump is Russia-connected to any degree besides some assets he may have. He's no Putinist Manchurian Candidate, that's for sure; although he is riding along a globally illiberal wave which is certainly appreciated and supported by Putin (and myself, although surely not supporting materially in any way, which Putin has largely been doing by propaganda except in a few hotspots like Syria, where his military inventions all more or less appear to be for the least of evils and on the right side of history, so good for him.)
 
nobody can find any substantial dirt on him
Nonsense. A couple of months after he's sworn in and he's the most obviously crooked president in american history.
Cute line, but as usual with trump, it has absolutely no bearing in reality.
A lot of people are finding a lot of dirt on trump, but if you only watch pro-trump news channels, of course you're not aware of that.

Trump scooped the angry disenfranchied bigot vote, which is not such an achievement in a nation that has so underfunded education, health and social welfare for the last 30+ years.
 
I mean, his links to the Russian establishment seemed fairly developed..

What links? Do you have any verifiable concrete examples of evidence linking him to any Russian establishment? Because as of now all I have heard is months of accusations and vague ties, yet it remains a conspiracy theory. If he had any immoral or illegal connections then you sure as shit would have heard about them by now, in detail.

Some businessmen do business with people oversees - is that illegal in itself?

You fail to realize that the oligarchs control the American political circles.
Trump did not run for president for more power or money - he had plenty of that already. And in fact running for President almost decimated his reputation (it did in the media anyway). He is a smart businessman (fact) and running was not in his best financial interests. Even now that he is actually in office, any and all of his business dealings are under the microscope.
 
His lies are so numerous that people joke about it.
And then there are his "people" -
Flynn - lied, gone
Sessions - lied, probably perjured himself

As for the russia stuff, it is still being investigated by a lot of people.
There are some pretty interesting revelations around the place.
I've also seen doubts from seemingly reliable people about the russia thing, but it's a matter of watch this space, at this stage.

But, you know - trump won't release his tax documents (ironic, considering that "birther" bullshit he waffled on about for years)
Has been witnessed jeopardising national security with staff reading classified docs (by cell phone light!) in public parts of his resort - ironic again considering his "lock her up" crap with clinton.
And of course there are the business divestments he lied about making.

Saying "(fact)" doesn't make him a good businessman.
The guy is (literally) a joke.
Those are just a few examples. There will be more, just wait and see.
 
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