2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[Soso78]

Antifa need to up there game a bit, everywhere they go they are getting fucked up unless the police protect them.
They need to bring more than old hippies and female students with purple hair.
some of them do look intimidating with black hoodies and scarves covering their faces. They still get fucked though lol

 

[LiquidMethod]

I didn't read your post and certainly don't plan on it, so I'll just say yeah, that's exactly what happened I'm sure - seems legit! And you're welcome m8

Kinda convenient that the post you refuse to read proves that Trump is not a racist.

Cognitive dissonance much?

 

[Erikmen]

Does that really prove it? And you say you're so clever..

 

[LiquidMethod]

Does that really prove it? And you say you're so clever..

I'd like to hear your commentary on the video that I linked.

 

[Scrofula]

One could argue that ignoring them and preventing them any "canvas to paint" would be effective and take as little effort as possible.

You don't ignore a white nationalist advising the President, and you don't ignore the appointment of one to the highest law enforcement position in the land.

At the very least you'd call that "ominous" and be glad the President is too incompetent to even implement any diabolical fascist groundwork.

You could argue they tried, starting with Muslim travel bans; but that was resisted pretty vocally.

 

[G.R.S.H.]

“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.” Trump speaking of Judge Curiel, insinuating that because he is Mexican he can't properly perform his duties as a judge.

In 1973, his real estate company was sued for racial discrimination when it came to renting homes to blacks.

In a news interview in 2016, Trump states "His wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say. She probably — maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say." when speaking after a possibly Muslim father of an American Officer died in Iraq while in service to the American people. The mother of this Officer had just lost her son, and was to broken to speak. She wore a head scarf- is this why she is not allowed to speak?

Trump owned (possibly still does) a casino in Atlantic City, when he and his wife entered the building, the black employees would be removed from the floor, and taken into the back so that they would not be seen. This Trump business was sued for discrimination too.

There are plenty more, if you are willing to look. As for me, I am so disgusted with this man; his recism is bad... his thoughts on women, how they should be treated, what they are good for, etc., well they make me SICK!

I respect our nation, I believe that we have problems, but we try each in our own little way to acknowledge them and hopefully make them better. I respect the seat of power of our nation, and wish the man in that seat did too. I find it terryifying that the American people now need a twitter account to find out White House Policy. Even then how reliable is that information? How is possible that a man that believes in 'alternative facts' is in that seat? How is it possible that he negates all the checks and balances put in place at the founding of our nation for his own benefit? How can he believe, that the government that was founded for the people, and of the people, should be by passed and trampled upon so that his ideals are fulfilled? Proof?

.Executive orders are assigned numbers and published in the federal register, similar to laws passed by Congress, and typically direct members of the executive branch to follow a new policy or directive. Trump issued 32 orders. Presidential memoranda do not have to be published or numbered (though they can be) and usually delegate tasks that Congress has already assigned the president to members of the executive branch. Trump issued 28 memoranda. Finally, while some proclamations — like President Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation — have carried enormous weight, most are ceremonial observances of federal holidays or awareness months. Trump issued 30 proclamations. And all of this in his first 100 days of office!

 

[alasdairm]

...people should be able to present their opinions here without being personally attacked or character assassinated.

i agree. it would be great if you would stop doing that

2015: Trump says he doesn't want David Duke's support.

it doesn't matter that he says that. if he sincerely does not want the support of people like david duke, the he should stop emboldening and encouraging white supremacists by telling them what they want to hear.

it's the political equivalent of the joke about the guy at the doctor who says "my arm hurts when i do this".

2017: Trump condemns Neo-Nazis, the KKK, Alt-Right

there's so much context missing here it's awesome.

people on the 'left', people on the 'right', world leaders, captains of u.s. industry, etc. are coming together to decry this enormous presidential lost opportunity.

i guess i can't complain - he ran on uniting people and people are united in their condemnation of his weak, unpresidential, pandering response...

alasdair

 

[spacejunk]

Antifa need to up there game a bit, everywhere they go they are getting fucked up unless the police protect them.
They need to bring more than old hippies and female students with purple hair.
some of them do look intimidating with black hoodies and scarves covering their faces. They still get fucked though lol

where did you hear that? most of the videos i saw showed people that didn't look intimidating, but came out swinging and held their own very well.
the police were protecting the nazis. have you been reading the Sun or some crap, or are you taking the piss?

i saw a picture of one of the priests that the nazis attacked - did anyone else see that? the poor woman was just out their to support her community, and she ended up with her face slashed open.

considering how heavily armed the fash were - some with full military gear, automatic rifles, knives and clubs and bayonets etc etc - counter protesters held their own incredibly well.
as much as it disgusts me to talk about a "political demonstration" in terms of casualties inflicted - as if it is a battle - i saw what was designed to look like an army - attack a huge crowd of people.
but unlike what would happen if a real army attacked a crowd of people, the people respoonded by coming out swinging, and a lot o those punches met their targets. there are plently of videos on twitter (and presumably facebook) and else where online that show many a nazi getting decked by guys far smaller than them - and generally not very scary looking.
not glorifying it, but i saw plenty of nazi guys that looked really scary getting helped up off the floor in videos people were live tweeting. and yes - lots of antifascists got seriously injured as well. i wasn't there so i can't pretend to know what happened, but "antifa" - and other anti-fascist activists - didn't all get "fucked up"

some people - like trump - do silly things like claim anti-fascists are trying to start a war. we most certainly are not.

the guys in army fatigues with automatic rifles and full body armour - they are attempting to start a war. they are starting a war. they didn't shoot anyone, that i know of - this time.
as far as i know, there's not been much media attention paid to the socialist guy that got shot in seattle at an anti-trump rally by a trump fan, because the victim doesn't want to press charges
those militia guys turning up to a demonstration dressed for battle just looked like a white nazi christian version of ISIS.

nazis look scary but they're total cowards. that's why they had so many weapons.
i wonder what the cops would do if they actually decided to use them - but i really don't ever want to find out.

listen to how whiny richard spencer is at 1:30 of this video. he says to the cops
"we're gonna get pushed out into that mob? you're going to push us into antifa?" and pleads for them not to disperse them into the streets filled with counter-demonstrators.

 

[alasdairm]

oh, and goodness only knows what level of conniption trump is having over this: Quoting Mandela, Obama's Tweet After Charlottesville Is The Most-Liked Ever

obama has 6 of the top 10 most-liked tweets ever. you know that's gotta bug him

alasdair

 

[Soso78]

sj he was shitting himself lol
The police look like they mean business though. I'd be more scared of them than antifa or white supremacists put together.

I'm surprised no one was shot if there was so many armed people.

Do you think the police wanted to force the 2 groups together to make things worse and intentionally escalate things?

 

[simco]

I'm just pulling up a chair to this thread now. Apologies for being late to the party.

It's astonishing to me that we're arguing over wheather Donald Trump is a racist or not. Alisdair put together a nice catalog of Trump's intolerance. To these I'll add (just off the top of my head) Trump's:
* Campaigning on the promise to institute a Muslim ban in the US
* Accusing Latin American immigrants to the US of being animals and criminals
* Elevating a known racist (Steve Bannon) to a cabinet position
* Elevating a truly world-class racist (Jefferson Beauregard Sessions) to Attorney General
* Feeding and capitalizing on the bullshit 'birther' movement against Barack Obama
* Using his twitter account to promote false, racist memes (a nice catalog of these is available here...OK this one wasn't off the top of my head; I had to google it)
* and of course...giving moral cover to armed white nationalists marauding in Charlottesville, VA

Is it really necessary to keep listing examples?

Ultimately, the question that I find interesting in this arena is, to what extent does Trump believe the racist bullshit he spews? Conversely, to what extent does he see America's nativist culture warriors as a convenient base of support for his own political ambitions?

 

[JahSEEuS]

You don't ignore a white nationalist advising the President, and you don't ignore the appointment of one to the highest law enforcement position in the land.

At the very least you'd call that "ominous" and be glad the President is too incompetent to even implement any diabolical fascist groundwork.

You could argue they tried, starting with Muslim travel bans; but that was resisted pretty vocally.

I'm saying it in regards to these demonstrations and gatherings.

but that was resisted pretty vocally.

quite the way it should be done.

 

[Scrofula]

I think the man doesn't get too complex with his worldview. Old privileged white man who remains racially tone-deaf, he went to his campaign rallies to hear his own voice, noticed some phrases that got the best hollers. Like two racist parrots with microphones, they started building up that "platform" of yelling at the people not yelling.

So the two sides amplified each other, hearing different key words (I still don't know what the women heard).

Trump had a racist campaign and presidency, but they guy ultimately is an egoist.



JahCus: Yeah, but how big does the rally have to get before you stop ignoring it? Strategy works great for street preachers on campus, not the best for white power marches. But I know what you're saying. It's just that as long as we have prisons, those guys won't just go away.

 

[spacejunk]

Ultimately, the question that I find interesting in this arena is, to what extent does Trump believe the racist bullshit he spews? Conversely, to what extent does he see America's nativist culture warriors as a convenient base of support for his own political ambitions?

i think a lot - if not most - racist politicians play the race card as a matter of convenience - whether or not they believe it is anyone's guess.
demagogues know how to divide communities, and racism has long been an effective way to divide the working class vote away from political parties which focus on workers' rights (for example).


i think trump's no different in that sense - i get impression that trump's racism is genuine, because it doesn't seem very forced or contrived - but trump's an odd character in the sense that it's hard to tell where the performance begins and ends.
it's hard to separate the theatre from the sincere - but i think what some people perceive as 'straight-talk' is actually the most fabricated - and some of the things that have been leaked to the press (like how trump's advisors have to restrict his tv viewing because he gets too upset at criticism) suggest a world behind the scenes that is stranger than fiction.

i think trump's racism may be one of his more sincere political attributes.
it's all very bizarre, this trump business. and i wonder if all the weird celebrity tabloid biographical craziness floating around trump is a haphazardly constructed smokescreen for the agenda he was planning to pursue his administration - and the people he planned to surround himself with - or if he's really that much of a freak, with the weird creepy sex stuff (touchy-feely photoshoots with his daughter, russian prostitute stories, sexual assault allegations etc) and the alleged links to the mob and the russian mafia, among many other weird things about him.

 

[JahSEEuS]

I think the man doesn't get too complex with his worldview. Old privileged white man who remains racially tone-deaf, he went to his campaign rallies to hear his own voice, noticed some phrases that got the best hollers. Like two racist parrots with microphones, they started building up that "platform" of yelling at the people not yelling.

So the two sides amplified each other, hearing different key words (I still don't know what the women heard).

Trump had a racist campaign and presidency, but they guy ultimately is an egoist.



JahCus: Yeah, but how big does the rally have to get before you stop ignoring it? Strategy works great for street preachers on campus, not the best for white power marches. But I know what you're saying. It's just that as long as we have prisons, those guys won't just go away.

yes, prisons are probably the biggest contributing factor to these groups.

like mosquitoes in stagnant water.

 

[alasdairm]

nice post simco. sadly, liquidmethod seems determined to reject evidence that does not agree with his view.

for me, his statements about judge gonzalo curiel are pretty much all you need to know. "he can't do his job because he's mexican" (the fact that he's not mexican aside ) is the textbook definition of racism.

alasdair

 

[Erikmen]

And that is indeed quite strange because it's so obvious. He asked for evidences and even though he's gotten plenty of them he just dismisses them all (as you called it). As if they were nothing important or relevant.

 

[simco]

nice post simco. sadly, liquidmethod seems determined to reject evidence that does not agree with his view.

for me, his statements about judge gonzalo curiel are pretty much all you need to know. "he can't do his job because he's mexican" (the fact that he's not mexican aside ) is the textbook definition of racism.

alasdair

I agree completely about Trump's statements regarding Curiel.

 

[swilow]

I don't think violence is the answer. A group of nazis will be more than happy if things turn violent. There must be another way.
I like the way some of them have been fired from their jobs after being filmed at the Charlottesville rally.

Agreed, violence is not the answer. Those who live by the sword...

I think we should use reason to combat dangerous and bigoted ideologies.

 

[Scrofula]

You can combat ideologies with reason, sure. Bigoted ones don't respond well, but I do think individual bigots can.

I had some photos, but I'll save them for a different thread, just be sure you don't equate groups like those in Charlottesville to just "bigoted ideology". Awful lot of dead Americans tried to reason before they were hanged, I bet.

Bigoted ideologies tell you to stop all immigration, build a wall, anti-affirmative action, not murder and enslave.