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Read my two Post's again. Neither query is dealt with or I wouldn't have asked...that was his personal politics and how Israel is like south Africa. His comparison is rediculous as Arabs in Israel have full rights to vote and travel and do as theythey please. That's it fuuuuck this machine. Howdo you all survive without PCs? Trying g to make a simple post with this kindle. I'm gonna throw it and wait till I am one real internet machine.


UOTE=quiet roar;13877807]His post was fairly clear on the aspects he finds disagreeable, mgs.[/QUOTE]
 
maybe this should be moved

"How is Israel like South Africa"

I'll just let some visuals do the talking

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^"no data" on the occupied territories lol


nsfw for space

and, yes, "Israeli Arabs" do have their constitutional rights (in a constitutionally Jewish state ... how many Jews would approve of a constitutionally White state?); sure, you even have Druze and Bedouins in the army and stuff

> "model minorities"

I'm talking about daily life for the majority in the occupied territories, though

but this doesn't belong here, there is an anti-semitism/racism thread in which I answer pretty much everything asked about my positions on race, unsurprisingly, it didn't go very far because we don't really speak in the same language in the topic and they see my position as being (a word you used as well) "hateful," which is basically a word used to describe White people when they love their own kind and don't like to see themselves been ignored, exploited, and disadvantaged

the hardcore Zionists & I actually do speak some of the same language, "cultural continuity and purity," etc.; only I only ask for it for areas that have been European (well, I guess, syllogistically) for thousands of years, but shared a culture for at least the past 1,500 or so, and or in the case of the USA, which had been relatively homogenous, retain an ethnic identity apart from the native population which is now a tiny minority ... you guys took "your" land, which hadn't been Jewish since about 70 AD, when it was a Jewish Roman colony, by force about 60 years ago after Jews and Arabs lived in peace for about 1,800 years, counting from the last Maccabean revolts to about 1940 or so ...

but shit really started hitting the fan post-World War II, the Jews had the trump card of the Holocaust, practically unlimited funding, and a Britain that had already begun to be apathetic about her colonies, and forcibly took the land by terrorism against the Brits and the Arabs and brutal "ethnic cleansing" leanding to the Bantustan-like makeup seen above (including ZA-like enforcement of movement between and in and out of the Bantustans), and then used financial pressure and the specter of the Holocaust to force America, and then her European proxies, exerting slightly different tactics with the Communists, of course, and then most of the non-Arab world to accept Israel, and then opened the borders ... to all Jews ... of course creating massive demographic instability in your favor. it's a created ethno-State with token rights and land for the minority. just like ZA.
 
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but shit really started hitting the fan post-World War II, the Jews had the trump card of the Holocaust
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Queueing up for that right they were, queueing up for it. "I know, let's get genocide commit against us and then nobody will be able to say anything."

Trump card? Are you for real? And you think you have a monopoly on calling people offensive? Walls of text with the odd polysyllabic word thrown in do not give you carte blanch to utter the ridiculous.
 
Are you denying that the Holocaust is regularly brought up to deflect any criticism of Jews or of Zionism? The genocide committed against Jews certainly made them more sympathetic to others, once it started reaching the popular consciousness with Allied propaganda films taken in the camps, and then the whole world was (rightly) horrified, the Jewish lobby criticized greatly may nations for not taking in Jews, and brought up a Jewish homeland as a place for displaced persons and a bulwark of "never again," and there you go, a trump card and constantly-used a propaganda tool. Fortunately it's starting to get stale with a lot of people, especially younger people; college activism for B/D/S is constantly shamed by propaganda bringing up the Holocaust, anyone with any alternative views on Jewish history (and not just under Hitler) is labeled a "denier," it goes on and on.
 
Sentence one. Yes.

As for the rest, apologist while pretending not to be.

Allied propaganda films? Seriously? Ever been to Dachau? Belsen? No? [...] You are seriously offensive.
 
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Propaganda films. That's what they were. The classic "when our side says it, it's information; when the other side says it, it's propaganda." These films were made to promote a political agenda, in this case, denazifaction. Hence, propaganda films. It's not a value judgment, necessarily, the term 'propaganda.'

As to your "yes" answer to my sentence one, that makes you are full-on flat earth hasbara propagandist (or wholesale buyer of the same) yourself. That, on the other hand, is a value judgment. Exploiting the memories of the Holocaust to perpetuate the apartheid state of Israel is Hasbara 101, since 1948.

Your vitriol is really something, though.

It's also quite amazing that you have a bleeding heart for every minority cause until when Israel/Jews (perhaps Muslims as well, or actually, maybe just anyone but Whites) are in the wrong. Unless you are one yourself (I don't know and I'm not necessarily asking as I'd consider that to be in poor form; but just for the sake of the dichotomy), in which case you're just an ethno-nationalist and a racist; if you're not, you're merely supporting ethno-nationalists and racists, and a regimé who you feel can get off scott free for everything that you criticize England and the U.S. for (illiberal immigration policies, for one; racism, nationalism, religious chauvinism and fanatacism ... the list goes on and on. Israel is by definition an illiberal, chauvinistic, ethno-nationalist state with religious fanaticism playing a huge role in all of these three. But you so oppose ethno-nationalism for everyone else. That makes you a hypocrite.)
 
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Damn...well...uh....let's just go back to talking about the 2016 presidential selection. Boy....sure am glad Tramp is gonna be president. The collective malaise under Clinton would have been too much. I'd have emigrated to Israel for sure. But now there is hope. :)

SKL said:
Propaganda films. That's what they were. The classic "when our side says it, it's information; when the other side says it, it's propaganda." These films were made to promote a political agenda, in this case, denazifaction. Hence, propaganda films. It's not a value judgment, necessarily, the term 'propaganda.'

As to your "yes" answer to my sentence one, that makes you are full-on flat earth hasbara propagandist (or wholesale buyer of the same) yourself. That, on the other hand, is a value judgment. Exploiting the memories of the Holocaust to perpetuate the apartheid state of Israel is Hasbara 101, since 1948.

Your vitriol is really something, though.

It's also quite amazing that you have a bleeding heart for every minority cause until when Israel/Jews (perhaps Muslims as well, or actually, maybe just anyone but Whites) are in the wrong. Unless you are one yourself (I don't know and I'm not necessarily asking as I'd consider that to be in poor form; but just for the sake of the dichotomy), in which case you're just an ethno-nationalist and a racist; if you're not, you're merely supporting ethno-nationalists and racists, and a regimé who you feel can get off scott free for everything that you criticize England and the U.S. for (illiberal immigration policies, for one; racism, nationalism, religious chauvinism and fanatacism ... the list goes on and on. Israel is by definition an illiberal, chauvinistic, ethno-nationalist state with religious fanaticism playing a huge role in all of these three. But you so oppose ethno-nationalism for everyone else. That makes you a hypocrite.)
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Think of the Tramp presidency as an adventure. Anything can happen! He is not a politician and his moves will be a mystery until they happen. I am excited to see what the future holds.
 
I mean, I welcome change, the system has failed everyone and could be called broken. I just fear Trump doesn't represent change but more a reversion to older and darker times.
 
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Think of the Tramp presidency as an adventure. Anything can happen! He is not a politician and his moves will be a mystery until they happen. I am excited to see what the future holds.
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But, in all fairness, you said in another thread that you get your news from fox, yes?
Maybe that's your problem. It's hard for me to understand how people think trump could be anything but disasterous for the USA and the world.
 
Trump is the "nuclear option" that the corrupt DNC and superdelagates were warned about. It's better to destroy it all at once , and that way we can reboot from a clean state in four years. With HRC it would have been 8 years of incremental destruction, which is slow painful torture.
If the DNC and superdelagates had listened to my advice none of this would have happened
 
What is being destroyed though? Can it ever be repaired?
In the case of the environment, i don't think it can.
 
That's a complicated question. For one, maybe people's blind loyalty to the insider political establishmentioned. People's faith in a broken 2 party system. People 's faith in the oligarchy assuming Trump is so bad that he makes all ruling class rich people look bad.
I find it hard to believe that somebody who owns beach front property on Florida cannot see that the see level is rising and that global warming is occurring. Perhaps his skepticism is just for show.
 
His sceptisism - as i see it - is a signal to the fossil fuel industry that he has their back, and will not be pursuing or funding renewables.
But that's only part of it - he has also spoken of dismantling environmental regulation authorities, which is concerning on a number of levels.
 
spacejunk said:
What is being destroyed though? Can it ever be repaired?
In the case of the environment, i don't think it can.
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the environment is fucked no matter what. do you think china, russia, india etc are going to damper industry? no. if the US stunts its economy in the name of conservation....it won't accomplish anything unfortunately. and we can't make these countries do what we want.
 
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