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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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spacejunk said:
Proof...i dunno, his constant misogynistic distribes and boasting of engaging in sexual conduct with women without consent?

Trump's a creep, sorry but i find it impossible take anyone who supports him seriously.
Revolting man, abysmal politician.

Revolution in the United States of America in 2016?
Utterly laughable. You have the biggest military in the world.
It's fantasy.

Meanwhile, people campaign against something as basic as police brutality and police killing unarmed people, and they are endlessly maligned by the conservative press and large sections of the population.

A country that divided is not fertile ground for revolution.
Military coups don't count (and besides - that arguably happeed decades ago)

Good luck with the revolution though. I'm sure the police state will be cool with such subversive activities - it's not like the American public on the whole is too concerned about the surveillance state you live under. :\
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Luckily I don't live in the occupied native America (USA). I know many American Europeans ... that should be enough. =D They don't come here in hordes for no reason ...
 
I'm no Trump supporter but I do find it funny when Western Europeans who live under the blanket of protection the US military provides bashes us. We are not perfect but last I checked you guys have some problems of your own with the rise of right wing nationalism.
 
Everyone who plans to act against Russia without diplomatic decency is a fool. Even Trump realized that. I cannot comprehend how a intelligent woman can dare to dismiss the idea of a peaceful commercial agreement or similar solutions. Russia already defeated one uber confident predator by sacrificing tens of millions of its own citizens/soldiers. It is nothing to be proud of for a country but it is a fact and I'm certain they'll do it again when they are threatened beyond a threshold (which is almost reached already).

That fact alone makes the old lady look like a beginner in foreign policies, despite having decades of experience in the subject.
 
cj said:
I'm no Trump supporter but I do find it funny when Western Europeans who live under the blanket of protection the US military provides bashes us. We are not perfect but last I checked you guys have some problems of your own with the rise of right wing nationalism.
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Yeah, we're also occupied. Just like the native Americans (who are almost exterminated).

Right wing nationalism raised after there was too much camp following regarding the military interventions, because the bullying military force of your country seemed to leave no other choice than comply to their vicious war crimes and unrightful occupations of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yugoslawia (and many more in the last decades)
 
I'm so sick of war and foreign conflict. A vote for Clinton is a vote for war, plain and simple. You better beleive she is going to war with Russia, she made that clear last night. Trump is hard to like, but his general isolationist stance is appealing to me. Being a libertarian I am also concerned about things like marijuana laws. We know Hilary and Chelsea have come out strongly against pot legalization. While trump has not said much I tend to believe he will see the benefit of the tax money over moral pandering.

OT: would it be sexist to call Hilary a chicken hawk? That's what we call male warmongers' that have never served in the military.
 
thoughts on trump's comments about captain khan?

trump said:
First of all, Captain Khan is an American hero, and if I were president at that time, he would be alive today, because unlike her, who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, I would not have had our people in Iraq. Iraq was disaster. So he would have been alive today.
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trump is on record supporting the war in iraq but, in common with many issues, he's lied about it so much since that he hopes people will accept his lies as the truth.

captain khan died for his country and trump's response has been to insult and abuse his family and lie about his record on the war.

alasdair
 
Khans father was clearly a Hilary shill looking for attention. His son was a hero he is an attention whore, plain and simple. Howard stern backs trump here. Trump went "sure I'm for it, I guess we're supposed to be, right?" It was something of that nature.

Lol I was reading wiki leaks earlier. Chelsea and bill almost caused the Clinton foundations former COO to commit suicide. Trump is a brash ego driven alpha male. Clinton is a lying despicable horrible human being with devious motives. Oh the mental gymnastics you must have to do lol
 
He never really endorsed. Any sane person can see the format and the context. Hilary Clinton is a chicken hawk. Last night she made it pretty clear we are going to war with Russia if she is elected. The woman is a monster and is corrupt as the day is long. And it is 100% fact with her emails coming to light.
 
Droppersneck said:
He never really endorsed.
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he was asked on stern whether he supported the war and his exact words were "yeah, i guess so".

he has directly contradicted that in the lead up to the debate and during the debate. he's trying to paint himself as some noble opponent when, on this issue, he's no better than those he criticises.

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
he was asked on stern whether he supported the war and his exact words were "yeah, i guess so".

he has directly contradicted that in the lead up to the debate and during the debate. he's trying to paint himself as some noble opponent when, on this issue, he's no better than those he criticises.

alasdair
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Practically started the war himself with that kind of endorsement on Howard stern :\

This is quite literally our last chance at a person outside of the establishment to ever be elected. There are already rumblings of a superdelegate system being set up for the GOP. The Internet is already being addressed in a multitude of ways. We see how the MSM controls the narrative, just flip it on CNN right now.

Many are turning a blind eye to Hilary and all of the leaked emails. When they affirm every conspiracy theory or bad feeling you had about the crony political ruling class. Trump is a turd, but you people blindly supporting Hilary are complacent lemmings. Especially anyone that formerly supported Bernie, you are people with little to no character/conviction. Read an email from podesta today where he calls "whiny Bernie supporters" a nuisance and how they need to control certain narratives with Bloomberg news in order to make Bernie look foolish. Pathetic
 
Droppersneck said:
Practically started the war himself with that kind of endorsement on Howard stern :\
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did i say that? no.

it's telling that you can't make your point without just making stuff up. just like your man trump :)

i'm not blindly supporting hillary. nor am i a complacent lemming. i am well aware of the problems associated with her but i feel that trump is completely unfit to hold the office and she is, while not the best candidate, the better candidate.

but thanks for the name-calling.

alasdair
 
Sorry, but you and your kind, are generally low information/ ideologically driven. Though I appreciate that you are somewhat aware. Im reading this right now, what is your take?
To: [email protected] Date: 2016-03-13 17:06 Subject: From Bill Ivey

Dear John: Well, we all thought the big problem for our US democracy was Citizens United/Koch Brothers big money in politics. Silly us; turns out that money isn't all that important if you can conflate entertainment with the electoral process. Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we're off and running. JFK, Jr would be delighted by all this as his "George" magazine saw celebrity politics coming. The magazine struggled as it was ahead of its time but now looks prescient. George, of course, played the development pretty lightly, basically for charm and gossip, like People, but what we are dealing with now is dead serious. How does this get handled in the general? Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging. Rubio's press conference yesterday AM was good and should be repeated in its entirety, not just in nibbles. I will attend the Clinton fundraiser here next week but as I can only afford the low level of participation may just get to wave without a "hello." I fear we are all now trying to navigate a set of forces that cannot be simply explained or fully understood, so it is and will reamin interesting! Sent with a handshake, Bill

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Hillary has the plus that she probably knows when she's lying.

Trump seems to be able to lie to himself to avoid having to deal with things.

It's a crappy choice, but I'm going with the less delusional one.
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Hillary and Bill are extremely delusional, and does not have a lot of plusses. I voted for them twice and I'm not voting for those crooks again.



 
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