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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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StoneHappyMonday said:
You have the colo(u)rs reversed to us in the UK. How do Republicans feel being potentially confused with "Reds under the bed"?

You've done the black thing - proving you were ready to elect a black President ("Who knew?" as Trudeau put it in Doonesbury the day after the election)...are you ready to do the 'woman thing' now? Or, it being Hillary, does that make it more the 'Hillary thing'...if you follow what I mean?
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Crazy thought: elect a black woman.

*head explodes*

LuGoJ said:
The black thing? Obama is just as much white as he is black lol.
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That's not how that works.
 
-=SS=- said:
This guy. This is who I want to see leading America. God that would be amusing.

Or Jeb Bush. Third Bush in the White House. Equally amusing.

God help us all.
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Christie was on some morning talk show recently with his anti-marijuana agenda. (They all suck, mainly comes down to money anyway)
 
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-=SS=- said:
This guy. This is who I want to see leading America. God that would be amusing.

Or Jeb Bush. Third Bush in the White House. Equally amusing.

God help us all.
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you should vote for hillary clinton - she is against allowing citizens to exercise their constitutionally-protected right to freedom of expression by burning the flag.

:)

alasdair
 
Droppersneck said:
If I am being honest if we go that route I want a black woman that is a lesbian that has some sort of mental or physical disability like a lazy eye or a peg leg. Now that would be the ideal candidate
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Is this actually more ridiculous than the idea that ludicrously wealth, upper class, born-to-rule members of political dynasties are capable of making decisions that empathically centre the majority of people in your country? At least the caricature you describe would have some lived experience of marginalisation in the US informing their decisions.
 
alasdairm said:
you should vote for hillary clinton - she is against allowing citizens to exercise their constitutionally-protected right to freedom of expression by burning the flag.

:)

alasdair
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Come on man, I agree with you but lets keep it in the flag desecration thread. Just my advice, I'm not a mod.
 
Bernie Sanders: The war on the middle class

The Boston Globe
HERE IS THE reality of the American economy. Despite an explosion in technology and a huge increase in worker productivity, the middle class continues its 40-year decline. Today, millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages and median family income is almost $5,000 less than it was in 1999.
Meanwhile, the wealthiest people and the largest corporations are doing phenomenally well.

Today, 99 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent, while the top one-tenth of 1 percent own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. In the last two years, the wealthiest 14 people in this country increased their wealth by $157 billion. That increase is more than is owned by the bottom 130 million Americans – combined

Over the last 40 years, the largest corporations in this country have closed thousands of factories in the United States and outsourced millions of American jobs to low-wage countries overseas. That is why we need a new trade policy and why I am opposed to the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership now before Congress.
Large corporations and their lobbyists have created loopholes enabling corporations to avoid an estimated $100 billion a year in taxes by shifting profits to the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens.

That is why we need real tax reform which demands that the very wealthy and large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes.
Corporate America has mounted vigorous anti-union campaigns, making it harder for workers to collectively bargain for decent wages and benefits. That is why we must make certain that workers are given a fair chance to join a union.

Meanwhile, US companies are buying back billions of dollars of their own stock in a way that manipulates stock prices, hurts the economy and, by the way, used to be against the law.
Instead of putting resources into innovative ways to build their businesses or hire new employees, corporations are pumping their record-breaking profits into buying back their own stock and increasing dividends to benefit their executives and wealthy shareholders at the expense of their workers.

It is a major reason why CEOs are now making nearly 300 times what the typical worker makes. We must demand an end to stock buybacks.
We also must do a lot more to rebuild the middle class, check corporate greed, and make our economy work again for working families.

We need to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour over the next several years. With 70 percent of the economy dependent on consumers buying goods and services, the best way to expand the economy is to raise wages and create good jobs to increase the purchasing power of the American people.

We need to pass pay equity for women workers. It is not acceptable that women receive 78 cents on the dollar compared to male workers doing the same job.

We need to make certain that every worker in this country receives guaranteed paid sick leave and vacation time.

We need to encourage business models that provide employees the tools to purchase their own businesses through Employee Stock Ownership Plans and worker-owned cooperatives. Workers at employer-owned companies are more motivated, productive, and satisfied with their jobs.
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source: http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...tory.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Commented#

(speculate the original source was Noam Chomsky)
 
SixBuckets said:
Crazy thought: elect a black woman.

*head explodes*
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Back in 1968 I was too young to vote but I helped my mom work on the campaign for Shirley Chisolm, first black candidate for a major party and second woman candidate. She was awesome. She served 7 terms in congress, first African American woman to be elected. When I visited the esteemed Mr JungleJuice in Washington he still worked at the Capitol and he gave me a tour. Best part was seeing Ms Chisolm's great 60's style loud, colorful portrait hanging amongst a sea of non-descript overly serious portraits of white guys in dark suits.

On topic, I am going to be chagrined to have to vote for Hilary Clinton as the first woman I have ever gotten to vote for as president--just never liked her as a politician.

I don't listen to TV news at all so it all comes from public radio if I'm in the car or print. Just thankful that Bernie is in there saying things that no one else will say. After 8 years of Obama being ridiculously called a Socialist it was refreshing to hear Bernie's response when they hurled the dreaded word at him and said, "What do you say to people who would call you a socialist?" and have him respond, "I am."

Last thought for now: I haven't heard the word god from Hilary and that at least is refreshing. It's getting to the point where I feel like I'm at a christian church every time a politician opens his or her mouth. Does Hilary do this on TV?
 
I fear that if Clinton is nominated, the world will see another 8 years of Bush. Bush III in this case. Even among Democrats and "independents", she is too divisive a character. Those voters will flock to the Green Party or whatever third party has the least repulsive alternate candidate. Taht will ruin the Democrats' hopes for winning the election. I try over and over to warn people of this disgraceful future scenario. I hope I don't have to come back here in 2 years and say "I told you so." Heed my warning.

If you doubt me, look at what nominating Al Gore gave the world - Bush II and everythign he unleashed. And I was warning Democrats way back then that nominating him would have that very result. Like Hilary Cliton, he was too polarizing and divisive. The world would have been a better place if people had listened to my warning and followed my advice. You all have been warned.

In comparison, too bad Shirley Chisholm isn't running. I think she would be the best candidate.

herbavore said:
Back in 1968 I was too young to vote but I helped my mom work on the campaign for Shirley Chisolm, first black candidate for a major party and second woman candidate. She was awesome. She served 7 terms in congress, first African American woman to be elected. When I visited the esteemed Mr JungleJuice in Washington he still worked at the Capitol and he gave me a tour. Best part was seeing Ms Chisolm's great 60's style loud, colorful portrait hanging amongst a sea of non-descript overly serious portraits of white guys in dark suits.

On topic, I am going to be chagrined to have to vote for Hilary Clinton as the first woman I have ever gotten to vote for as president--just never liked her as a politician.

I don't listen to TV news at all so it all comes from public radio if I'm in the car or print. Just thankful that Bernie is in there saying things that no one else will say. After 8 years of Obama being ridiculously called a Socialist it was refreshing to hear Bernie's response when they hurled the dreaded word at him and said, "What do you say to people who would call you a socialist?" and have him respond, "I am."

Last thought for now: I haven't heard the word god from Hilary and that at least is refreshing. It's getting to the point where I feel like I'm at a christian church every time a politician opens his or her mouth. Does Hilary do this on TV?
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socko said:
I fear that if Clinton is nominated, the world will see another 8 years of Bush. Bush III in this case. Even among Democrats and "independents", she is too divisive a character. Those voters will flock to the Green Party or whatever third party has the least repulsive alternate candidate. Taht will ruin the Democrats' hopes for winning the election. I try over and over to warn people of this disgraceful future scenario. I hope I don't have to come back here in 2 years and say "I told you so." Heed my warning.

If you doubt me, look at what nominating Al Gore gave the world - Bush II and everythign he unleashed. And I was warning Democrats way back then that nominating him would have that very result. Like Hilary Cliton, he was too polarizing and divisive. The world would have been a better place if people had listened to my warning and followed my advice. You all have been warned.

In comparison, too bad Shirley Chisholm isn't running. I think she would be the best candidate.
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Parties rarely win three terms in a row. I feel like that's part of the reason we have so many republicans and a tiny fraction of democrats. Each of the republican candidates are frothing at the mouth to get their chance, democrats are like "eh, historically low chance with this one". I think bush in 88 was the last time a party held office three times in a row since ww2, right?
 
^That sounds about right. Even back then before term limits, FDR was elected three times himself, and then Truman. After Truman, I can't think of an instance where one party held control of the executive branch for 12 years aside from the Reagan/Bush I era.

It's not just Americans either. Modern electoral politics in general is a conduit of amnesia among the population, I think. Rather than reaching toward alternative parties to rule, very often, the oldest and most established parties have a monopoly on the political process, with voters becoming sick of one then the other, so on and so on. I'd like to dream that if the American government were switched over to a proportional, parliamentary legislature that things would change. In reality though, that's all it is. A dream.
 
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