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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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if trump beats biden, i will send you $100 because that's what i agreed to: "if donald trump is elected president, alasdairm will send droppersneck $100"

i think the easiest thing is for us both to just stick with the bet to which we both agreed and for you to stop trying to weasel out. how about that?

alasdair
 
Biden would destroy Trump he's Hillary with none of the scandals

He's also kind of a dumbass like Gerald Ford was, I think that actually helps in America.
 
I'd gladly vote for Biden over the current crowd.

I get the impression that he'd be a "janitorial" president - just try to keep things running efficiently, making no big splashes. It's not my ideal president, but better than the current contenders.
 
It would be kind of a slap to the face to Bernie supporters if they chose Biden but at this point this is on par with conspiracy theory speculation. This is why Obama wanted to speak privately with Sanders during the primary and why Sanders phrased it oddly when he conceded the election so he could still jump back in at any point; he was told Hillary has a neurological condition and that he should stay in the race as long as possible. I'm just b.s.ing tho I don't believe any of this.
 
Honest non crooked politician that genuinely wants to help the middle class and limit big money's power....but the dems pick hillary instead....because americans are scared of the word "socialist" and too stupid to understand what it means beyond communist russia

a small part of me hopes that she loses by some huge fuck up like having a seizure during the debates...and trump wins the election. maybe then dems will learn not to rig elections for criminals on deaths door
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Honest non crooked politician that genuinely wants to help the middle class and limit big money's power....but the dems pick hillary instead....because americans are scared of the word "socialist" and too stupid to understand what it means beyond communist russia

a small part of me hopes that she loses by some huge fuck up like having a seizure during the debates...and trump wins the election. maybe then dems will learn not to rig elections for criminals on deaths door
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but Mrs Clinton is better. Bernie would have been a disaster. He wanted to raise the minimum wage to 15/hr. When you raise the minimum wage above the equalibrium wage, the result is an over supply of labour, which means unemployment.
 
Ryan01 said:
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Mrs Clinton is better. Bernie would have been a disaster. He wanted to raise the minimum wage to 15/hr. When you raise the minimum wage above the equalibrium wage, the result is an over supply of labour, which means unemployment.
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Yeah, I'd hate to live in a world where unemployment existed.
 
I just saw this on the Guardian's site -
US officials probe Trump adviser's ties to Kremlin

US intelligence officers are examining whether Carter Page, an American businessman listed as a foreign policy adviser for Trump, met with a Vladimir Putin aide to discuss the upcoming US election and with other Kremlin officials to discuss lifting sanctions if Trump is elected president, reports Yahoo.

Page has oil and gas business interests in Russia, and members of Congress fear that his political discussions with Russian intelligence officials could undermine US policies. Senate minority leader Harry Reid contacted the director of the FBI, asking for the bureau to examine the “significant and disturbing ties” between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, including meetings between Page and high-ranked Kremlin officials, say Yahoo.

The news comes as two senior Democrats, Senator Dianne Feinstein, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committe, and Representative Adam Schiff, who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, released a joint statement on how they believe Russian intelligence agencies are trying to influence the US election.

“Based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election,” they said.

“At the least, this effort is intended to sow doubt about the security of our election and may well be intended to influence the outcomes of the election... orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only from very senior levels of the Russian government,” they said.

Many in the FBI believe that hacking of the Democratic National Convention emails just days before the DNC began was by Russia.

US intelligence agencies have also received reports that Page met with another top Putin aide while in Moscow — Igor Diveykin. A former Russian security official, Diveykin now serves as deputy chief for internal policy and is believed by U.S. officials to have responsibility for intelligence collected by Russian agencies about the U.S. election, the Western intelligence source said.
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Pretty interesting.
 
Droppersneck said:
For many reasons. How do we know .50 cents an hour isn't equilibrium wage?
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I doubt most people could support themselves on $0.50/hour.

If your definition of an equilibrium wage includes wages that aren't viable for survival, then that's not an objection.

I'm rather not wanting to see what happens when a certain class of people can only make $4/day in the US.
 
Droppersneck said:
For many reasons. How do we know .50 cents an hour isn't equilibrium wage?
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Oh yes such brilliant questions "why don't we make the minimum wage 100 dollars then!" you can just hear the snide "gotcha socialist!" behind it.

A living wage tied to the cost of living. This is where I slightly disagreed with bernie because the cost of living is going to differ from state to state.

Prices will increase slightly but not beyond what people can endure. Of course the people on top will artificially do it to scare everyone into not doing it but they don't have to, they could endure the costs easily. But this is where we get into the American people being brainwashed into thinking business men are the only real hardworking people in America and everyone else who doesn't bend over to suck their dicks is a lazy mooch.

Lets cut their taxes to nothing and give them tax payer subsidies because they create hundreds of jobs that people can't live off.
 
Sounds like your gripe should be with the policies that turned this country into the service based shit hole economy it is now. Many of these companies will pay and are paying for going into business with the devil. China steals everything about anything they are tasked with producing. I wouldn't trust an NDA as far as I could throw it with them. A 15 dollar minimum wage appeals to the emotion but does little in the long run once everything catches up. Also if the economy gets to 3%+ growth we will no longer even hear about it.
Paula jones now tweeted she wants to look her rapists wife in face at the debates. With her and Genifer flowers there, this is going to be a shit show.
 
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