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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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The disregard of the respect to immigration that the past 30 years has shown is going to cause Trump to q.e.f. when he becomes emperor.
 
Just saw the Trump speech in Detroit. I really liked it until he announced :

"We will demand our allies to pay us more for securing their countries with our military forces"

Loooooooooooooooooool. Securing against what ? The non existential Russian threat or rather the moderate rebel groups made in USA that are invited willingly ? Europe will be fucked again by the US government via their military policy. Get your nukes out of Europe and leave us alone ... But the submissive European governments is to blame on that one. The German front puppet did not even complain, when the NSA phone spying affair became public.

Anyway I cannot see much negative for the majority of US citizens under Trump. His foreign policies are questionable (enforcing intellectual property laws in China, muhahah), but at least the American citizens have a president, that actually tries to lift the national economy instead of selling out to corporations.
 
alasdairm said:
be careful what you wish for.

alasdair
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Ever read my post where I wrote about walking down a street with a buddy, and said out loud "I wish I had a some valium".
No shit like some movie a prescription bottle shows up lying on the street, and it was a bottle of god damn valium!
It works both ways Ali

I would be willing to wager that there are more in the closet Trump supporters than anyone anticipates

Ziiirp said:
Get your nukes out of Europe and leave us alone
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QFT
 
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alasdairm said:
oh lol.

this is even funnier than your "at least honest" comment (which was pretty funny).

:)

alasdair
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Did you watch the speech ? This election campaign period was a farce until now and at least Trump now starts with announcing actual policies. I can only judge him on what he said and for now only evaluate the ideas. Hillary did not come up with any idea, yet. In fact they both gave a ridiculous impression, while Hillary is a mess (I feel really sorry for the Clintons, they both seem to have tremendous health issues, but then I don't understand why she competes at all, I wouldn't even with brilliant health at that age, so much respect to both candidates)

His plan is for example to lower the business tax from 35% to 15%, making it easier for entrepreneurs to get a foot in the door. While this is certainly utopia, I guess he thinks he can recoup the missing billions with other taxes (wealth taxes?) or the classic American way by overthrowing governments and exploiting their countries. He also announced to modernize the military. Anyway I like Trump more than Hillary for the simple fact, that he announces every vicious intention beforehand (which is also typical American) and reveals his predator character opposed to pathological lying, which got old some decades ago.
 
Ali I just don't think you have any respect for the dead USA soldiers, the family that sacrificed their lives to ensure you are even alive....

Care to share what happened to your family in the blitzkrieg?

Let alone the fact that those dead soldiers are the reason there is freedom, "rights" and such a livable life that we can second guess everything, mock everything in fear of nothing and no one for any repercussions.

Freedom, it's grrrrrrreat isn't it?

The freedom isn't free and only those that know realize the price that was paid.

I only wished that an admin of such a great place such as bl shared similar opinions.
 
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i have no idea what you're talking about but i don't appreciate your trying to put words in my mouth.

aside, my friends call me ali and we're not really friends so, with respect, i'd prefer if you did not call me that. thanks.

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
i have no idea what you're talking about but i don't appreciate your trying to put words in my mouth.

aside, my friends call me ali and we're not really friends so, with respect, i'd prefer if you did not call me that. thanks.

alasdair
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My fault I shall correct all future correspondence accordingly
I guess I should have garnered as much in that you didn't accept my friend request
(lighten up)
Sorry thought ths was a board comprised of like minded individuals...
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Ziiirp said:
Excluding the minority, that contains a subset of undercover savages, that can easily overthrow the own society and cause a civil war (just take Europe as an example the next 1-3 years), is reasonable in my opinion.
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Ummm, what?

Have you lived around Muslims? I have. They are just like the rest of us, working hard and trying to get by. What makes you think that civil war is probable?

There is no cheaper solution.
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Some would say that the governmet dictation approved religious beliefs is a pretty expensive solution.

Excluding or discriminating a religious minority, that is empirically known as being quite deprecated in the sense that it potentially catalyzes a fascistic mindset is the simplest way of getting rid of sources of violent anarchy. Until the concerned parties (a first step would be to lay down the weapons in that Sunni vs. Shia feude for instance) get together and reform their religion, so that it is compatible with the so called modern life, this move is understandable. Or do you have a better solution to the problem, that is economically acceptable ?
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Do you think most American Muslims care? It's about as remote to them as the Troubles were to the rest of us.

If the preceding 4,5 presidents and congressmen of your country (+ allies) and their agendas actually would not have been that greedy and reckless in the first place, Trump wouldn't now be forced to plan those draconic steps.
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Nope. Trump is a fascist asshole. He's telling me to hate my neighbors. Screw that, I like my neighbors. They are good people.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Nope. Trump is a fascist asshole. He's telling me to hate my neighbors. Screw that, I like my neighbors. They are good people.
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Sorry if I am being offensive, but are your neighbors rapist, drug dealing, murdering illegal immigrant?

Than they have nothing to worry!

I sincerely wish that Led Zepplin's Immigrant Song was the true song of our (USA'S) immigrants!

And not narco music......8(
 
alasdairm said:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

unless you're a native american, somebody in your past didn't belong here, but came here and got "rights they did not earn".

i guess some people are just quick to forget.

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When that was written the U.S. favored Western European addition. They shared similar enough culture. They made it easier for people from there to come. I doubt the message was really geared toward pygmies- in Africa, etc.

Also, back then, around 1/3rd of those who came went back home because they didn't like it here, or simply ran out of money and couldn't find work. Now we have a welfare system. That's the only way they can live here and not learn the language or not integrate.

It isn't perfect. And the "tired" quote is just an ideal, but it may not be ideal.

Edit: As far as belonging, I think that is in ways an inappropriate word for this. I don't think I "earned" being here, except by heritage I was born embedded on a level in the social-system, that perhaps a minority might not be. People may call this "white privilege", but I see it as simply sharing the dominant identity, in some respect. It may not be perfect, but it is certainly not unnatural, and in-fact encouraging the cohabitation of multiple peoples, multiple identities, religions, beliefs, et cetera, I believe that is rambunctious, and not accounting, and dangerous.

I don't consider Mexicans to be an issue here. I don't consider indigenous Americans to be a "problem". I think we should learn to adapt.
Blacks tend to be an issue, mainly due to disproportionate crime, and black on white/other violent crime, and in ways lower performance, average.. This doesn't mean I hate Black people. I don't like a lot of the culture that has developed, and lack of success that I see. I don't think it's just because of racism, or colonization, or oppression (although, that certainly is not without consequences). There are territories in Africa that didn't get colonized by Europeans, and they aren't doing awesome, though I'm sure they were disproportionately effected by advances in the world, too. I am not criticizing a people. Africans have it rough (especially sub-Saharan). And they were in vulnerable positions, long before the Europeans, and Jews bought them. There were Muslims before, and probably Arabs/North Africans before that. Africans have often been slaves. So were Europeans, by [mostly north] Africans, yada yada. There were also diseases, and certain isolation that effected everything.
Muslims tend to be opposed to, or we find that we are opposed to their beliefs. And, the more Muslims we get here, the more chances there are of our news turning into the news reflecting Europe recently, or more. Islam is not a peaceful religion. Beliefs do matter. Things clash.
 
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Escher's Waterfall said:
Ummm, what?

Have you lived around Muslims? I have. They are just like the rest of us, working hard and trying to get by. What makes you think that civil war is probable?



Some would say that the governmet dictation approved religious beliefs is a pretty expensive solution.



Do you think most American Muslims care? It's about as remote to them as the Troubles were to the rest of us.



Nope. Trump is a fascist asshole. He's telling me to hate my neighbors. Screw that, I like my neighbors. They are good people.
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You misunderstood my points (and/or I failed to express them). In fact I lived together with numerous nice muslims from different nations and my city has a good portion of well integrated muslims, that NEVER caused a significant threat to safety if you did not actively provoke.them.

You do not grasp the danger of the current situation. Europe is intentionally flooded with millions of predominantly young male and delusioned people, that live in parallel societies on the border of cities or in the province. Those are basically slums, that were non existent in the privileged parts of Europe since a long time. Billions of tax money is wasted for a half assed integration campaign without proper treatment policies. Both sides actually do not want to integrate, because the economic migrants (some of them are actual refugees) just want to take the welfare money and send it back to their families. Italy and Greece are already fucked because of the open border policies that were commanded by some very very very intelligent and nice people that took the time to train, equip and finance some other very very outgoing allegedly muslim people, sent them to the boring Europe, that of course needs a cultural enrichment.

This whole situation and the decisions that were made are so irrational, that it must be part of a vicious agenda to restrict civil rights. In fact the military will help out pretty soon in France and Germany to create artificial martial law conditions. This refugee crisis is part of a western red herring setting, that distracts from much bigger issues. In your country the election served as distraction. How do you think will Obama get back the 3.5 TRILLION dollars ? Oil aka money does not fall from the sky (,yet). The dollar is weak. Erdogan ties with Putin now (Incirlik fucked). Putin claims increased support for Iran (nukes for Iran). Jinping is arming in the South China Sea against NATO threats. Putin is planning something against ridiculous threats by NATO on their borders. North Korea is preparing against strikes by US/South Korea. Plus the mess in the middle east. Can't you see the despair ?

Trust me, there is certainly no time to discuss, who is a good tolerant democrat (that word should be negatively connoted since a long time) and who is a bad nazi, anymore.
 
Yeah he better watch his ass. He has a 20k reward for any info on the Person that killed that young DNC committee member. Lol the Russians leaking the emails has been pushed hard as a pre cover up for this man being murdered by the DNC for being the actual source. These people are so evil they make trump look like ghandi.
 
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