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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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I live in England and tbh I don't keep up with the presidential campaign and just watch what I see on the news....seems a lot of people are saying there's no way Trump would win. Exactly the same as what a lot of people said about Brexit and look what happened...
 
Hey,I can take a hint just like anyone else. Vote for Hildo or die. Add 5 more to the Clinton Body Count in just the last few weeks. Tell me the bitch aint the head of the Clinton Mafia. She's even got Bubba shaking.Not to mention Bernie and the MSM. Plata y plomo ? How about just plomo,cause the Clinton Foundation won't part with the plata they legit steal.Those El Al flights from the East Coast to "The Holy Land" must be booked full thru November.Anyone seen DWS lately ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb_N02-vh8M&feature=youtu.be .
 
Just found this guy from ZH. For a young'un he's got it down. As in DOWN with the "two party" monopoly on the 99% Uncle Sam slaves. The best we can do in 2016 is go with Trump long enough to keep The Beast at bay. And vote EVERY incumbent out. Even if it means voting for the "other" party's challenger. I will. Fuck party loyalty,we're fighting for our lives here folks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdWFMhriELQ .
 
Trump could become the chaotic, but at least honest dictator, that the USA needs. Of course he won't implement a lot of things he is announcing now, thats just election brabble. But at least he actually has a sense of patriotism and could push back the inhuman world view of neoliberalism in favour of a classic nationalism.

Those who say, that nationalism is more nazi-like than neoliberalism do not understand, that neoliberalism is the method of exploiting EVERY thing (living being or mineral resource) equally while manipulating the humans into fighting each other instead of fighting another nation, race or ideology like in nationalism.

Neoliberalism is an anti-ideology, it destroys every sense of a collective purpose. Everyone is an enemy. Hope Trump dumps it, but it will be difficult.
 
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Nazi-like? In this day and age I think it's worth thinking critically about just about everything in the realm of political discourse, so let's unpack that one.

"National socialism," in the most literal sense and shorn of historical stigma, is more or less the diametrically opposed political agenda to neoliberal globalization. (Think about it.) As such I'd be wholly in favor of any candidate who endorsed it as such, that is, minus the expansionism and mass political murder associated with it in the middle of the last century, which was likewise practiced by international socialism/Communism and is by international capitalism up until the present day, if only on a lesser and subtler scale. It does seem rather unnerving to those of us raised in typical Western Liberal (large "l") histiography out of which side of this (admittedly contrived) box many of us would prefer to come fighting, doesn't it?

I could only wish Trump would go so far.
 
^Serious question SKL. Are you down with Trump's view of Law and Order,which I believe if he means it(still not sure),is of the Nixonian model ? Actually,this question goes out to all.Pro and Anti Trumpers. Very interested in opinions as to what Trump means by Law and Order. Discuss.
 
Ziiirp said:
Trump could become the chaotic, but at least honest dictator, that the USA needs.
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oh. haha. seriously?

his campaign speeches are absolutely riddled with lies. he's made a campaign of repeating and doubling down on barefaced lies so often that, in his campaign and among his supporters, the lies become accepted truths.

yes, all candidates lie and it's troubling, but trump's dishonesty is absolutely pants-on-fire, off the chart.

you can say a lot of things about trump but honest is definitely not one of them.

and the u.s. needs a dictator? be careful what you wish for...

alasdair
 
Ziiirp said:
Trump could become the chaotic, but at least honest dictator, that the USA needs. Of course he won't implement a lot of things he is announcing now, thats just election brabble. But at least he actually has a sense of patriotism and could push back the inhuman world view of neoliberalism in favour of a classic nationalism.

Those who say, that nationalism is more nazi-like than neoliberalism do not understand, that neoliberalism is the method of exploiting EVERY thing (living being or mineral resource) equally while manipulating the humans into fighting each other instead of fighting another nation, race or ideology like in nationalism.
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Trump's nationalism comes with ideas like making a registry for a certain religious minority. He talks about revoking citizenship of another group.

Trump's ideas are disturbing, at best.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Trump's nationalism comes with ideas like making a registry for a certain religious minority. He talks about revoking citizenship of another group.

Trump's ideas are disturbing, at best.
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Excluding the minority, that contains a subset of undercover savages, that can easily overthrow the own society and cause a civil war (just take Europe as an example the next 1-3 years), is reasonable in my opinion. There is no cheaper solution. Excluding or discriminating a religious minority, that is empirically known as being quite deprecated in the sense that it potentially catalyzes a fascistic mindset is the simplest way of getting rid of sources of violent anarchy. Until the concerned parties (a first step would be to lay down the weapons in that Sunni vs. Shia feude for instance) get together and reform their religion, so that it is compatible with the so called modern life, this move is understandable. Or do you have a better solution to the problem, that is economically acceptable ?

If the preceding 4,5 presidents and congressmen of your country (+ allies) and their agendas actually would not have been that greedy and reckless in the first place, Trump wouldn't now be forced to plan those draconic steps. The militant anarchy (law of nations seems to be an unknown concept nowadays) of the past ~50 years, that momentarily threatens civilians globally has brought nothing to the table for the west despite a tremendous increase of the national debt and a mutilation of the reputation of the west. It did not pay off at all. Neoliberalism does not pay off at all for the society, let alone for the ecological environment. Neoliberalism means in practice an economic (the moment when state banks are privatized is the moment of declaring a plutocracy of a few, that ultimately will control governmental straw men globally) and mental (Huxley) slavery. A multicultural nationalism is likely the better option. Whereas IMHO a kind of ecoconscious socialism would be more contemporary if your children want to have a future.

Just saying, that Trump could mean a change with an unknown outcome (how could he possibly undercut his predecessors?), whereas Clinton will change nothing regarding geopolitics and the outcome will literally be fatal.
 
alasdairm said:
not to mention, unconstitutional?

yeah! freedom! (but only for those who agree with us).

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alasdair
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Illegal aliens/foreign nationals have no constitutional rights guvna', just because someone traveled to the USA doen't mean that they have earned any rights to anything!

In any other circumstance it would be called trespassing and loitering.

Mass deportation is constitutionally legal.

Why do feel that you can dilute the American experience so that a group of people who don't belong here can get unfair entitlements and rights they did not earn?

If this was the 1950's then maybe but the USA is at capacity and needs to get rid of the dead weight.

American freedom isn't free.
 
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

unless you're a native american, somebody in your past didn't belong here, but came here and got "rights they did not earn".

i guess some people are just quick to forget.

alasdair
 
David Wooderson said:
Illegal aliens/foreign nationals have no constitutional rights guvna', just because someone traveled to the USA doen't mean that they have earned any rights to anything!
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let's be clear, i am not talking about people who have entered the country illegally. foreign nationals who have entered the u.s. legally - by whichever means - have the same constitutional rights as u.s. citizens.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

unless you're a native american, somebody in your past didn't belong here, but came here and got "rights they did not earn".

i guess some people are just quick to forget.

alasdair
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The native americans did not create the USA government, they had no rights!

They also were not one big group of happy indians, they were warring nations unto themselves.

Ali you take for granted the amount of work and loss of life we true USA natives have bestowed to the world.

The world (UK ex pats especially) should be sucking the USA's cock with a :) and thanking it at the same time.

When that poem was written the world population was at a combined 1 billion, with the USA accounting for 60 million.

The USA no longer needs settlement!

Immigration in 2016 is now a great burden and threatens the stability of the world seeing that the USA sets the standard!

We are at capacity!

Time to go home!



I would never dream of forming an opinion on how another country should live, I feel that kind of respect is uniquely american.
 
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