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2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread v. The Suck of the Irish

you can never trust height and weight listings of athletes

that and it's not too rare for a teen to significantly grow during the ages of 17-18, i didn't reach 6'3 till i was 18, i was like 6' when i was 16-17

i remember when jimmy clausen first came into the scene, he was destined for greatness, didn't even have that good of a college career lol
 
True
Alex Smith said he was 5-11 as a JV QB at Helix HS

Dude fucking lucked out, not only did he spurt to 6-4 he handed off to Reggie Bush as a Jr/Sr in HS and got his scholarship to Utah

The rest is history, dude got paid lol
 
is clowney a lock for #1 pick for the '14 draft?

i think so

and if redskins have the worst record next year(yes a longshot, but not completely impossible if griffen misses the year) and rams end up with that freak, that defense will be up there with '85 bears/'00 ravens during the '14 year

that is of course if rams draft either safety kenny vacarro out of texas or matt elam out of florida this year, and they live up to the hype
 
also i'm requesting some chickenscratch

need to know a true vols fan opinion on WR cordarrelle patterson

on my rams message boards lots of fans are praying that rams draft him with their second 1st round pick(22nd overall)

is he nfl ready?
 
is clowney a lock for #1 pick for the '14 draft?

i think so


Possibly, but more likely to get pushed down the board by QB hungry teams

Johnny Football and Teddy B have every chance of going 1-2 in the 2014 draft.
( Trust me Johnny Football WILL go #1 overall if he declares)

If you toss in a possible early declare in Hundley and also Tajh Boyd it looks like a hell of a draft for QB prospects.

All 4 could go in the top dozen or so picks
 
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also i'm requesting some chickenscratch

need to know a true vols fan opinion on WR cordarrelle patterson

on my rams message boards lots of fans are praying that rams draft him with their second 1st round pick(22nd overall)

is he nfl ready?

i think so. he made absolutely explosive plays on a terrible team, all year long.

but you just never know. i personally think he'll do well in the NFL.
 
Miami hit with Lack of Institutional control despite lack of evidence for Lack of Institutional Control. Here's the university president's statement:

February 19, 2013 — Coral Gables — Earlier today the University of Miami received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA concerning its investigation of the University’s athletics program. The following statement from President Donna E. Shalala is in response to that Notice.

The University of Miami deeply regrets and takes full responsibility for those NCAA violations that are based on fact and are corroborated by multiple individuals and/or documentation. We have already self-imposed a bowl ban for an unprecedented two-year period, forfeited the opportunity to participate in an ACC championship game, and withheld student-athletes from competition.

Over the two and a half years since the University of Miami first contacted the NCAA enforcement staff about allegations of rules violations, the NCAA interviewed dozens of witnesses, including current and former Miami employees and student-athletes, and received thousands of requested documents and emails from the University. Yet despite our efforts to aid the investigation, the NCAA acknowledged on February 18, 2013 that it violated its own policies and procedures in an attempt to validate the allegations made by a convicted felon. Many of the allegations included in the Notice of Allegations remain unsubstantiated.

Now that the Notice of Allegations has been issued, let me provide some context to the investigation itself:

--Many of the charges brought forth are based on the word of a man who made a fortune by lying. The NCAA enforcement staff acknowledged to the University that if Nevin Shapiro, a convicted con man, said something more than once, it considered the allegation “corroborated”—an argument which is both ludicrous and counter to legal practice.

--Most of the sensationalized media accounts of Shapiro’s claims are found nowhere in the Notice of Allegations. Despite their efforts over two and a half years, the NCAA enforcement staff could not find evidence of prostitution, expensive cars for players, expensive dinners paid for by boosters, player bounty payments, rampant alcohol and drug use, or the alleged hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and gifts given to student-athletes, as reported in the media. The fabricated story played well—the facts did not.

--The NCAA enforcement staff failed, even after repeated requests, to interview many essential witnesses of great integrity who could have provided first-hand testimony, including, unbelievably, Paul Dee, who has since passed away, but who served as Miami Athletic Director during many of the years that violations were alleged to have occurred. How could a supposedly thorough and fair investigation not even include the Director of Athletics?

--Finally, we believe the NCAA was responsible for damaging leaks of unsubstantiated allegations over the course of the investigation.

Let me be clear again: for any rule violation—substantiated and proven with facts—that the University, its employees, or student-athletes committed, we have been and should be held accountable. We have worked hard to improve our compliance oversight, and we have already self-imposed harsh sanctions.

We deeply regret any violations, but we have suffered enough.

The University and counsel will work diligently to prepare our official response to the Notice of Allegations and submit it to the Committee on Infractions within the required 90-day time period.

We trust that the Committee on Infractions will provide the fairness and integrity missing during the investigative process.

To read more about the NCAA investigation, visit www.miami.edu/ncaa_investigation.


For the record, Donna Shalala is a former member of the Clinton administration, and a shrewd politician. Not somebody you want to fucks with.
 
I think Dion Jordan is gonna be a fucking baller

eh, maybe just a solid player
 
upcoming freshman and transfers really need to stop being ranked and stalked on so god damn hard

mainly cause they are almost useful

useful for derped up fans to brag about their recruiting class ranking with their friends and anyone else who will listen, and that's pretty much it

i really have no fucking clue cause i don't waste my time on this shit, but i feel like i can blindly predict that over 50% of the NFL consists of men who were classified as a 3 star recruit or lower

to each their own,if you are really into this system, more power to ya brah



Yes and no. While recruiting rankings are notoriously inaccurate, they are (today) largely based off of the number of high level scholarships a kid receives. While they do not accurately predict the success of any one kid, they do accurately measure how well a particular program is doing as far as winning head to head battles for the top potential athletes in the country, and there is therefore a strong correlation between garnering top recruiting classes and posting winning seasons. No sense excessively fretting or celebrating over one kid or even an entire recruiting class, as numerous 5 star busts and entire #1 classes that have failed miserably (Miami 2008, Notre Dame every year for about a decade before this previous season) will tell you.


There's still something to be said for a university that consistently grabs top recruits, and for one that fails to do so, although nothing is absolute. It's basically the draft for college football, just a little more innumerate. Personally, I like knowing about these athletes and their potential before they play college football, it gives me more familiarity with various teams and their players, and if you look in the right places (not the major recruiting services, although 247Sports has been pretty good) you can get very accurate evaluations.
 
For the record, Donna Shalala is a former member of the Clinton administration, and a shrewd politician. Not somebody you want to fucks with.

Is she not powerless in this situation? The NCAA is a ruthless and impermeable dictatorship.
 
upcoming freshman and transfers really need to stop being ranked and stalked on so god damn hard

mainly cause they are almost useful

useful for derped up fans to brag about their recruiting class ranking with their friends and anyone else who will listen, and that's pretty much it

i really have no fucking clue cause i don't waste my time on this shit, but i feel like i can blindly predict that over 50% of the NFL consists of men who were classified as a 3 star recruit or lower

to each their own,if you are really into this system, more power to ya brah

yeah it is a bit ridiculous how much exposure these guys get when they are like 17-18. Then we turn around and wonder why they all let it go to their head.

But as long as theres legions of fans like TLM there will be a market for it so w/e
 
Its basically the college version of the draft, fills in a lot of dead time between bowl games and summer camp. Unless your really religious about college football and get worked up for spring practice and the scrimmages, which can be fun as thats when most highly ranked QB come in after graduating HS early
 
Since nobody else posts in this thread anymore anyways:


From the Miami Herald:

Barry Jackson said:
### The NCAA investigator who took over the University of Miami case last May attempted, as her fired predecessor did, to use Nevin Shapiro’s attorney to help build a case against Miami – a detail curiously omitted from the NCAA-commissioned report detailing the NCAA’s improper handling of the case, according to an email exchange between the parties that was relayed to me by two people.

Meanwhile, UM also will allege that NCAA investigators lied to interview subjects by claiming that other people interviewed made comments they never made, in order to trick the subjects into revealing incriminating information they otherwise might not, according to multiple officials familiar with the NCAA’s case against UM and former coaches. UM believes such behavior is unethical.

Both of these details will be included in UM’s motion to dismiss the case that will be submitted to the NCAA on Friday.
UM also will claim that significant charges made against UM in the NCAA’s notice of allegations are uncorroborated by anyone besides Shapiro, and that tainted evidence has not been fully purged from the case.

The NCAA already has informed UM that the infractions committee does not have the authority to dismiss the case before a full hearing in mid-June, but UM is disputing that contention.

Among the new details in the case: Stephanie Hannah, an NCAA director of enforcement who took over the UM case late last May from fired Ameen Najjar, continued Najjar’s policy of working with Shapiro’s attorney, Maria Elena Perez, to try to build a case against UM.
The Cadwalader law firm, asked by the NCAA to investigate its handling of the case, indicated that Najjar ignored the NCAA legal counsel’s instructions and accepted Perez’s proposal to use bankruptcy subpoenas to compel depositions from witnesses who had refused to cooperate with the NCAA. In exchange, Perez would be paid; Perez claimed it would be for her time and expenses, Najjar claimed it would be only for expenses.
“The Perez proposal was unquestionably a bad idea for the NCAA,” the report said.

After taking over for Najjar, Hannah attempted to work with Perez on obtaining information from Shapiro’s bodyguard, Mario Sanchez, who was subpoenaed to appear in a bankruptcy hearing. The deposition with Sanchez never materialized, and the bankruptcy trustee told us today that it wouldn't have been of interest to the bankruptcy trustee, anyway.

In an e-mail exchange with Perez last July, Hannah wrote: “Regarding the enforcement staff’s interest in questioning [name redacted], attached is a document that outlines questions/topics to discuss with him.”
The name redacted was Sanchez, according to multiple sources.

Hannah’s e-mail came to light because Perez included it in her response to the Florida Bar complaint filed against her by Sean Allen, the former UM assistant equipment manager who was subpoenaed by Perez for a bankruptcy court deposition in December 2011.
The NCAA tossed the Allen deposition from evidence because it was obtained improperly, and the matter ultimately led to the firing of NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach.

Ken Wainstein, from the Cadwalader law firm, e-mailed on Wednesday that he was busy on a personal matter and could not immediately explain why Hannah’s behavior was omitted from his report. The NCAA declined to comment.

“It’s troubling because it places Hannah’s culpability on the same level of Najjar’s,” said one official, on the UM/former coach side of the NCAA case, who asked not to be identified. “She should know better than to do this, having been there 20 years. Why did they cover that up?”

Wainstein’s report assigned no accountability to Hannah, saying: “Ms. Hannah assumed there was nothing amiss about the arrangement [with Perez] and that it had been completely blessed prior to her involvement in the case. In light of those circumstances, it is understandable that she raised no alarms about the Perez arrangement.”

The NCAA ended its working relationship with Perez shortly after NCAA associate general counsel Naima Stevensen reiterated last September what she had told Najjar a year earlier – that this arrangement was a bad idea and didn’t have the legal department’s blessing.

Hannah’s e-mail with Perez was the second significant matter not included in the Wainstein report. The other: Najjar wrote a letter to Shapiro’s judge shortly before his sentencing for operating a Ponzi scheme saying the NCAA might someday hire him as a consultant.

Wainstein said he didn’t mention the letter because the report “was not intended… to describe all aspects of Mr. Shapiro’s relationship with the enforcement staff.”

In an ESPN interview this week, NCAA President Mark Emmert insisted that once the NCAA found part of the UM case had been mishandled, “I’m confident we did exactly the right thing. We did it the right way…
"For those saying, ‘Fire Emmert!’it’s like saying if the assistant coach did something wrong, fire the [university] president.”
 
Also, I'm sure a lot of you dudes have not had the pleasure of watching Duke Johnson last year. Kid may be (read may be) the best running back in the nation next year. Certainly top 3, but this kid will win the Heisman Trophy his junior year.




A 5 minute highlight tape for a true freshman is unbelievable.


Also, you can ignore the bad music.
 
^ sport highlight videos always have the shittyest music

I can't agree more, WHY the fucking music, I want to hear the crowd's reaction

i'm actually pretty anxious for the college season to start, with a shitty big ten, and gopher's coach kill in his 3rd year, and a promising QB who came onto scene late last year as a freshman there is hope for a winning record in the B1G

i'm more excited to watch pac 12 and big 12 games, listening to 3 west coast sports talk shows has brain washed me to the core, even though I always dug the pac 12

and there's clowney, fake an injury before SEC starts, bro, NFL needs you
 
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