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2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread v. The Suck of the Irish

I cant wait for Miami to come back and bitchslap ND again.

Catholics V Convicts was basically the college Superbowl

The 31-30 game was one of the all time great College games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvbM3j7euu8


We're coming back a lot sooner with this news. Miami fans like myself have been telling the nation this entire investigation has been corrupt, misguided, and loaded with half-truths and all-out lies from the very beginning, but the bias against the program is so strong (based on shit that hasn't really happened since 1992) that these dudes didn't even want to listen. Even the "extortion letter," notorious in local circles, failed to achieve that same well-deserved notoriety on a national scale, receiving the bare minimum of national coverage before being swept under the rug.

It took "people are going to federal prison" levels of fuck-upery on the part of the NCAA for Miami to finally get a national news story in its favor. At the very least, the investigation is over. All findings will eventually be found to be corrupt; it is such a legal inevitability that even a guy like me, who doesn't give two shits for the law, can see it. If they have to throw out all information obtained by improper means, then it follows that they would have to throw out all leads obtained by these same means, and all questions asked originating from information procured by these means. That's before you even look at the bias at play where a supposedly impartial investigative team is working in tandem with somebody who has a vested interest in causing harm to Miami football. Malicious intent opens up a wide variety of civil actions Miami could come back with.

Seems to me the good old boys at the NCAA have set the grounds for a major, major lawsuit should they attempt to continue to harass the Miami athletic department.
 
i think its just a Florida thing, not so much with UF but growing up i was always told "oh you're a Florida State Criminals fan huh"

Miami is prob a little worse but you gotta love them criminals


Miami is one of the cleanest programs in the country, dude. Nobody knows this, and the Nevin Shapiro investigation has made it very difficult to make this case, but I'll succinctly put it here:


1. Miami has had one of the largest and most active NCAA compliance departments in the nation for well over a decade. The fact that a rogue booster and confirmed conman who was able to scam $96 million dollars off of his unsuspecting victims was able to infiltrate the program and give out so-called "impermissible benefits" to players does not automatically render Miami "dirty" again, it simply means that despite everything they had in place, boosters and players were still able to interact in ways the NCAA deems illegal. Miami has had every intention of being clean since 1996. That said, I do not doubt that Miami players, like players at every other school, receive some sort of funding that the NCAA would deem illegal, as players do manage to go out on weekends to have fun, which requires money in a large city like Miami. That said, Miami does not commit egregious recruiting violations on a regular basis like most other national powers.

2. Miami is among the schools with the lowest amount of athletes arrested (particularly within the football program) over the past decade or so. Not too long ago Miami went over three years without an arrest. A player was recently arrested, and I'm not sure if he will be charged, for stealing a laptop from a walk-on on the football team. One or two other players (all no longer with the team) may or may not have been involved.

3. Even if Miami decided to be a program like the LSU's, Alabama's, and Auburn's of the world, they wouldn't be able to compete anyways because

a) Miami doesn't have anywhere near as much money to throw around as those other two.

and

b) Even before Shapiro's allegations against us and made headlines, or rather before Miami called the NCAA and asked them to investigate 5 months prior to the allegations being made public, the NCAA has been camped out full time here just because nobody is capable of looking at Miami as they are right now, and are instead biased by actions that occurred in the 80's. Nobody in the UM administration was even around then, Miami was not one of the top 50 universities in the country then, and, quite frankly, the rules were different then, and everything Miami did that people hated them for was allowed. Despite all of this, NCAA investigators make no effort to overcome their preconceptions and have investigated Miami every single time a coach like Urban Meyer picked up his phone and invented and allegation against us, in order to keep us busy so that he could spend more time with a particular recruit than we could.


You do not want to get into this with me.
 
You do not want to get into this with me.

chill out bro

no i dont really feel like getting into any debate with you

you are obviously far too hypersensitive when its comes to the integrity of your beloved hurricanes

i dont believe FSU does anything wrong in regards to NCAA regulations, or atleast doesnt do much different then most major programs, but i still jokingly refer to them as the florida state criminals

take it down a notch
 
chill out bro

no i dont really feel like getting into any debate with you

you are obviously far too hypersensitive when its comes to the integrity of your beloved hurricanes

i dont believe FSU does anything wrong in regards to NCAA regulations, or atleast doesnt do much different then most major programs, but i still jokingly refer to them as the florida state criminals

take it down a notch


I think the long nature of my post came off as aggressive. My post wasn't intended to be.


I do get mildly annoyed at this shit though, because these perceptions among fans, media members, and people influential people in college football have a tangible negative effect on the football team I love to follow. So I make it my mission to inform people, no matter how much it annoys them.

If the shit people said about Miami was true, I wouldn't have a problem with it. It would just be how it is, and regardless of how I feel about it from a moral point of view (I'm actually against amateurism rules and the regulation of the behavior of college football players - and athletes in general - both on and off the field), I would just shrug it off. It's the fact that it is so blatantly incorrect for well over a decade (closer to two) that irks me and leads to my passionate responses on the subject.

But yeah, no offense taken by your post, and none intended by mine, just to be clear.
 
playoff weekend had 12 'canes playing, the most of any school. texas, then alabama, then LSU. should take heart in that, 3,4, & they should use that little stat and current NCAA fuck up when recruitin'. i would, anyway.
 
playoff weekend had 12 'canes playing, the most of any school. texas, then alabama, then LSU. should take heart in that, 3,4, & they should use that little stat and current NCAA fuck up when recruitin'. i would, anyway.

For real.


Miami may end up with a killer recruiting class this year. It all depends on the decisions of about 6-8 kids, right now it isn't very highly ranked by any of the four major services (although there are a couple of South Florida kids who are underrated, also in part due to the very small size of the class). If Miami cleans up on these prospects, mostly local, they will have a second consecutive top-10 class. At least half of this kids would be otherwise committed without the cloud of potential sanctions hanging over the program. With the threat of crippling sanctions now off the table, we will see what they want to do. It could have provided enough of a window for other coaches to get the inside track on these guys.

The "NFL U" thing has been the selling point of the program for well over a decade, these kids get to work out with lots of former Canes currently in the NFL during the offseason. For a few years, it was the only selling point we had left.
 
Can't wait for signing day to see how my Tide reloads once again.
 
According to Rivals.com USC has Six 5 star recruits who have already signed LOI

Next highest is Notre Dame with 3.

Dont know how Lance does it, as I think he is a terrible coach.
He seems to get a 5 star QB each year, this year its Max Browne who is ranked as the #1 QB in the country
 
yup: time to take that lamborghini off-roading and crack the axle on a rock. Fucking squander another recruiting class, kiffykins. I look forward to seeing A) UCLA being better than USC, and B) bandwagon californian football fans throw away their trojans garb and start acting like OG Bruins fans.
 
Well, Miami's recruiting class is fucked. Golden is looking more and more like a Randy Shannon who hires bigger names as his assistants and comes off as a likeable person. Same shit results, though.
 
yup: time to take that lamborghini off-roading and crack the axle on a rock. Fucking squander another recruiting class, kiffykins. I look forward to seeing A) UCLA being better than USC, and B) bandwagon californian football fans throw away their trojans garb and start acting like OG Bruins fans.


Wont happen, One of the Reasons USC went so heavily for QB recruits the last couple of years if because of the sanctions.
They now have one of the youngest teams in FBS
This years class is fucking loaded, six 5 star recruits, twice as many as any other program in the nation
Notre Dame and Bama have 3 each

Guys like Max Browne are already enrolled and started classes at USC on Jan 10 and he might not even redshirt and could be the QB starter as a true Freshman in 2013

UCLA Hasnt been relevant since Troy Aikman and the 88 season, and they wont be anytime soon, especially with Stanford and their academic pull and USC who still go lights out eachyear with recruiting and whom Kiffin probably wont be coaching in a year.

Here is how USC Basically stacked the recruiting classes so the so called sanctions would have minimal effect

http://espn.go.com/college-football...e-football-usc-trojans-hope-numbers-add-title

In 2010, the NCAA smacked USC with a loss of 10 scholarships per year for three years and an overall limit of 75, 10 below the FBS maximum. Kiffin laid out for university president Max Nikias and athletic director Pat Haden the difference between serving the penalties immediately and appealing them.

He created a chart showing the impact of the scholarship cuts if taken immediately. Years of undersigning by Kiffin's mentor and predecessor, Pete Carroll, combined with the departure of several players who transferred after the Trojans suffered a bowl ban, left USC with 67 scholarship players as it entered the 2010 season. If Kiffin could bring in only 15 players per year beginning in 2011, it would be difficult to climb back to full strength.

The administration might have decided to file an appeal for the same reason that anyone files an appeal -- to look for relief. But USC also filed an appeal to game the system. By delaying the scholarship penalties until the appeal had been heard -- and denied -- the Trojans could sign a full class of recruits in February 2011. In fact, because several players enrolled in January, the Trojans signed 31 players, well over the limit of 25. (Early enrollees may be assigned to the previous year's allotment.)

"I have to give a lot of credit to the university and to the president, Max Nikias," Kiffin said. "There were a lot of people saying to go the other way and just take it and get it over with. He had belief in our plan. … And it was very glaring, very glaring what it would have done to our program not to sign that big class."

By effectively delaying the scholarship limits, USC set up the 2012 season as the eye of its storm. The Trojans have more experience and more players this season as they return to championship eligibility. Those assets are likely to diminish over the next two seasons as the scholarship reductions exact a greater toll.

Kiffin used the full complement of scholarships with the coming shortfalls in mind.

"We signed a kicker, a punter and a snapper so that we wouldn't have to for the next four years," Kiffin said.

Place-kicker Andre Heidari, who made 15 of 17 field goals and all 50 of his extra-point attempts, made the All-Pac-12 team as a freshman. Punter Kris Albarado and long-snapper Peter McBride redshirted.

"You've got scholarship players at the three specialist positions," Kiffin said. "My point is that isn't for this year. That's for a long time. That's why it's so big. Those guys are either sophomores or redshirt freshmen. They still have three or four years."

Kiffin also signed two quarterbacks, Max Wittek and Cody Kessler, and redshirted both, the post-Barkley years in mind. The rest of the class included four players who reached the starting lineup -- juco corner Isiah Wiley, linebacker Lamar Dawson, left guard Marcus Martin and, like Heidari, freshman All-American Marqise Lee -- and some talented players whom Kiffin insisted on redshirting.

Between those guys and the redshirt freshmen whom Kiffin threw onto the field last year, USC might start as many as 10 sophomores this season.
 
This bascially what the NCAA Ruled....

http://usc.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1407815

First we should briefly explain how the scholarship sanctions work. USC has not simply lost 30 scholarships over three years. It is losing 30 initial scholarships and 30 total scholarships over three years.

Initial scholarships are the number of players a program can sign for a given recruiting class. Normally schools can sign 25 players per year, but starting with the class of 2012, USC was limited to just 15.

Back in February, USC signed 12 players for the class of 2012 and were well under the 15 limit. The three leftover scholarships were "rolled over" into the following recruiting class.

When a school has not reached its yearly limit of initial scholarships per class, midyear enrollees may count against either the current year's limit or the following year's limit. This rule applies to any midyear transfers or early high school graduates.

Thus, for the class of 2013, USC can again sign 15 players, plus three additional early graduates. Essentially that bumps up the class of 2013 to 18 players instead of 15.

The total scholarships are the number of scholarship players currently on the team. Since there are no partial scholarships in football, one player always equals one scholarship.

All schools are allowed 85 players on scholarship, but with USC's sanctions, that number drops down to 75 until 2014.

USC's total scholarship sanctions started this fall. For the entire 2012, 2013 and 2014 football seasons the Trojans can only carry 75 scholarship players instead of 85.
 
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upcoming freshman and transfers really need to stop being ranked and stalked on so god damn hard

mainly cause they are almost useful

useful for derped up fans to brag about their recruiting class ranking with their friends and anyone else who will listen, and that's pretty much it

i really have no fucking clue cause i don't waste my time on this shit, but i feel like i can blindly predict that over 50% of the NFL consists of men who were classified as a 3 star recruit or lower

to each their own,if you are really into this system, more power to ya brah
 
Probably, but those star recruiting ratings have nothing to do with the NFL just to do with the college ratings and how a player might fit in.

For the record your right I think.

Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith were both 2 star recruits and the top 2 QB in the 2005 draft.
Then again Trent Edwards and Vince Young were the top 2 QB in the Nation in their HS class and look where they are now
Both 5 Star Recruits at the time

Other 4/5 Star recruits from Rivals.com/Espn rankings in HS

Eli Manning(5)
Jimmah Clausen(5)
Matt Stafford(5)
Mark Sanchez(5)
Andrew Luck
Chad Henne(5)
Jake Locker(5)
Brady Quinn(5)
Terrelle Pryor(5)
Mike Vick(5)
Robert Griffin
Kim Newton(5)
Carson Palmer (5)
Philip Rivers
Tim Tebow(5)
Matt Cassell
Ryan Mallet(5)
Blaine Gabbert(5)
Matty Leinart(5)

You get the picture

A decent hs QB rating does help when it comes to getting some kind of NFL gig, be it backup or starter, OR at the very least a decent shot for a couple of years as a "QBOTF"
 
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how is sam bradford not on that list?

the kid went to OU and started as a freshman and was a fucking machine in NCAA, looking back on his college stats, dude was insane

2007 Oklahoma Big 12 FR QB 237 341 69.5 3121 9.2 10.2 36 8 176.5
2008 Oklahoma Big 12 SO QB 328 483 67.9 4720 9.8 11.1 50 8 180.8
2009 Oklahoma Big 12 JR QB 39 69 56.5 562 8.1 8.7 2 0 134.5

tds are in italics and yards in bold
 
how is sam bradford not on that list?

the kid went to OU and started as a freshman and was a fucking machine in NCAA, looking back on his college stats, dude was insane

2007 Oklahoma Big 12 FR QB 237 341 69.5 3121 9.2 10.2 36 8 176.5
2008 Oklahoma Big 12 SO QB 328 483 67.9 4720 9.8 11.1 50 8 180.8
2009 Oklahoma Big 12 JR QB 39 69 56.5 562 8.1 8.7 2 0 134.5

tds are in italics and yards in bold

Sam and Flacco were both 3 star recruits.


Sam Bradford was the best rated HS guy in Oklahomo but probably had to pay for the stigma of being in a very strong class

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Sam-Bradford-31616

Stafford was #1 that year
Freeman and Mcelroy also were ranked above him
Certainly not bad company as fas as NCAA QB go

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-1143

Ponder , Dalton and some kid called Kaepernick round out the top 40 on that list

Edit Colin K Listed at 6-4 & 172 Lbs in HS
Now 230
Can anyone say roids?

Then again Andrew Luck was listed 190 at Stratford and is now 235 so who knows
 
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