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here it is:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=42010&split=9&team=

weird stat.

1) Joel Anthony
2) Bosh
3) Lebron
4) Dirk
5) Wade

Mario Chalmers has a better +/- than Derrick Rose? such a weird stat




What is Melo's? I don't mean to attack the guy so much, I just think he is overrated by many due to his excellent offensive abilities, but based on his lack of defensive effort or prowess I don't believe he belongs in the crowd of elite players such as Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Howard, Rose, etc...

I think that he belongs in the category of very, very good players and deserves an annual trip to the All-Star game, but he is nowhere near the level of the aforementioned players. I wouldn't even categorize him in Chris Bosh territory.
 
Great win. Sunday I expect the Hornets to come out hard, but once we establish our inside-out game again they'll start to die fast.
Kobe looked great, he was blowing by Ariza at will. Pau seems to have found his balls, had 17/10.

Hope Phil gives Trey Johnson some PT over Shannon Brown. He's just so much smarter and more efficient.



"How to be statistically biased: Henry Abbott on Kobe Bryant"

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2011/1/28/1961684/how-to-be-statistically-biased-henry-abbott
 
well my hornets fell off...them niggas can never win a muthafuckin play off series... i dont kno why i got my expectations so damn high....this dont bother me to much cuz i dont think they gonna ever do shit..

but if this was football season and my saints ..or my LSU tigers was playin super garbage i might would end up using again
 
i did think we was gonan turn it around when i thought byrun(i cant spell for shit ) was hurt...

real talk ...chris paul cant do it alone and with our leadin scorer out for season i was just hopin we would be competitive this series so if we can push it to 2-2 we still can atleast make it a series
 
What is Melo's? I don't mean to attack the guy so much, I just think he is overrated by many due to his excellent offensive abilities, but based on his lack of defensive effort or prowess I don't believe he belongs in the crowd of elite players such as Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Howard, Rose, etc...

I think that he belongs in the category of very, very good players and deserves an annual trip to the All-Star game, but he is nowhere near the level of the aforementioned players. I wouldn't even categorize him in Chris Bosh territory.

Pick a player.

Player A- 18.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg, .8 spg, .6 bpg .496 FG%, 82 FT%

Or

Player B- 25.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, .9 spg, .6 bpg, .455 FG% 84% FT%

Everyone in their right mind will say player B. That is Carmelo. Player A is Bosh. Melos worst year is a 21/6/3 year. That's far and away his worst. Bosh's best year is 24/11/3.

You are right, Carmelo is not even close to the same level as Bosh because Melo is far and away better. I can't see putting Derrick Rose ahead of Melo yet. Rose has only had one great year and one good year. Melo has had 5 outstanding years.

All that not to mention that Melo is consistently one of the 3 most clutch players in the game. Carmelo had an off year this year by his standards, and it was still better than anything Bosh has ever thrown out. Bosh has better defense obviously, but it isn't so much better that it is worth 7 points a game and not having Melo at crunch time. And if Carmelo applies himself on defense, he is great.

I am not a fan of Carmelo at all. I hate everything about Miami. This is not bias. I just have respect for greatness.

P.S. how can you keep Howard in the top 5 and leave out KD? Gotta take out Rose or Howard mang!
 
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Pick a player.

Player A- 18.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg, .8 spg, .6 bpg .496 FG%, 82 FT%

Or

Player B- 25.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, .9 spg, .6 bpg, .455 FG% 84% FT%

Everyone in their right mind will say player B. That is Carmelo. Player A is Bosh. Melos worst year is a 21/6/3 year. That's far and away his worst. Bosh's best year is 24/11/3.

You are right, Carmelo is not even close to the same level as Bosh because Melo is far and away better. I can't see putting Derrick Rose ahead of Melo yet. Rose has only had one great year and one good year. Melo has had 5 outstanding years.

All that not to mention that Melo is consistently one of the 3 most clutch players in the game. Carmelo had an off year this year by his standards, and it was still better than anything Bosh has ever thrown out. Bosh has better defense obviously, but it isn't so much better that it is worth 7 points a game and not having Melo at crunch time. And if Carmelo applies himself on defense, he is great.

I am not a fan of Carmelo at all. I hate everything about Miami. This is not bias. I just have respect for greatness.

P.S. how can you keep Howard in the top 5 and leave out KD? Gotta take out Rose or Howard mang!

I put in an etc... in case I forgot anybody. It wasn't necessarily a top 5, I just chose whoever came to my mind. Pretty bad to forget about him, but I do consider him one of the elites.

I have no delusions that Melo isn't a statistical monster, but he is not enough of a defensive presence to be elite. Bosh isn't quite elite either, but I still believe he is the better all around player, and can contribute to many more wins.

If I had to choose between the two players, Bosh or Melo, both starting in their prime to begin to build a team around, I would go with Bosh.

Just look at the Knicks with Melo. They haven't gotten any better since he arrived. Remember how much better LA got when Gasol got there? They went from good to championship level right away. Melo hasn't added anything besides highlight reels to the Knicks. He has Amare and Billups playing beside him, and they are still likely to get swept by a Boston team that traded away it's chances at a championship.

Again, what is Melo's plus/minus? Bosh has a fucking good one, I know that. I consider that way more important than statistics.
 
the knicks havent gotten better because they gave up half of the team to get him. A move that will payoff in the long hall but stings now. the gasol to LA is kind of a poor analogy because 1. gasol wen to a team that had kobe on it 2. LA attained gasol for NOTHING while NY gave away a lot.

for the record melo has gone farther in the playoffs then bosh. peolple are all high on bosh right now because hes been doing well in this series(76ers are a non playoff team in the west) but i remember in the reg season when heat fans hated bosh for his poor play and softness.
 
the knicks havent gotten better because they gave up half of the team to get him. A move that will payoff in the long hall but stings now. the gasol to LA is kind of a poor analogy because 1. gasol wen to a team that had kobe on it 2. LA attained gasol for NOTHING while NY gave away a lot.

for the record melo has gone farther in the playoffs then bosh. peolple are all high on bosh right now because hes been doing well in this series(76ers are a non playoff team in the west) but i remember in the reg season when heat fans hated bosh for his poor play and softness.

Yeah, playing in Toronto people do not become too familiar with your game. Bosh has a unique style for a power forward, being more of a clutch shooter than a push it to the rim and dunk kind of guy.

He had to make a greater adjustment than any of the Big 3 since playing for the Heat, and lately he has done very well, even before the 76er's series. He is the most pivotal player for The Heat to succeed. Miami struggled just a little bit in their last game against Philly because he was cold. When he is hot, nobody in the league can stop The Heat.

His only truly terrible performance this season was that game against Chigaco, where he only hit one shot. He wasn't even being defended properly, and he simply blew it. Had he been just a little bit more "on", Miami would have won.

I cannot wait for the Miami-Chicago series. It might as well be the Finals, because as I said, whoever wins the East wins the Finals. LA just doesn't match up well against either team, especially The Heat.

The only West team that scares me is the Thunder, but like Chicago, I believe that playoff inexperience is likely to take them out as they face teams who have been there and done that.

Fucking embarrassing loss by Chicago today. They just dropped a game to the worst team in the playoffs. The whole series has been an embarrassment, really, a team as talented as Chicago should have no problems getting past a team with an overall losing record. They have fallen behind early in every single game. They may be the most talented team in the league, but they are simply not championship ready. They can beat up on a geriatric team like The Lakers or Boston, but there is no way they stand up to Miami.

However, the future is way bright for them. I think they will be the team to occasionally keep Miami out of the 'ship for a couple of seasons. Then again, Miami will continue to get better, and more and more veterans looking to go out with a ring will jump on the bandwagon.
 
Why didn't Noah call a timeout on that last play where he was trapped?

Portland getting smashed, wow. I didn't expect J-Kidd to be this good when I picked the Blazers in 6. Like McHale said, ageless wonder.


Yeah, playing in Toronto people do not become too familiar with your game. Bosh has a unique style for a power forward, being more of a clutch shooter than a push it to the rim and dunk kind of guy.

He had to make a greater adjustment than any of the Big 3 since playing for the Heat, and lately he has done very well, even before the 76er's series. He is the most pivotal player for The Heat to succeed. Miami struggled just a little bit in their last game against Philly because he was cold. When he is hot, nobody in the league can stop The Heat.

His only truly terrible performance this season was that game against Chigaco, where he only hit one shot. He wasn't even being defended properly, and he simply blew it. Had he been just a little bit more "on", Miami would have won.

I cannot wait for the Miami-Chicago series. It might as well be the Finals, because as I said, whoever wins the East wins the Finals. LA just doesn't match up well against either team, especially The Heat.

The only West team that scares me is the Thunder, but like Chicago, I believe that playoff inexperience is likely to take them out as they face teams who have been there and done that.

Fucking embarrassing loss by Chicago today. They just dropped a game to the worst team in the playoffs. The whole series has been an embarrassment, really, a team as talented as Chicago should have no problems getting past a team with an overall losing record. They have fallen behind early in every single game. They may be the most talented team in the league, but they are simply not championship ready. They can beat up on a geriatric team like The Lakers or Boston, but there is no way they stand up to Miami.

However, the future is way bright for them. I think they will be the team to occasionally keep Miami out of the 'ship for a couple of seasons. Then again, Miami will continue to get better, and more and more veterans looking to go out with a ring will jump on the bandwagon.


^ Lmao @ LA can't match up w/ Bulls or Heat... really? Wow.

And Chicago isn't close to the most talented team in the L, wtf you smokin bruh? They rely on Rose way too much. They have no offense outside of Rose/Deng/Boozer and Boozer always disappears against legit bigs. The only reason they're 1 seed is cause of their defense.. what happens when elite teams match that defensive intensity? they overachieved this season and they're not getting out of the ECF, if they even make it there.

Boston/Miami ECF, Boston wins in 6. Quote this shit.
 
the knicks havent gotten better because they gave up half of the team to get him. A move that will payoff in the long hall but stings now. the gasol to LA is kind of a poor analogy because 1. gasol wen to a team that had kobe on it 2. LA attained gasol for NOTHING while NY gave away a lot.
This. Who does Melo have besides an injured Amar'e and an injured Billups? A bunch of scrubs, that's who. And you expect him to win a series alone against an elite/experienced team like Boston? They almost one games 1 and 2, and if it weren't for some BS calls in game 2, Knicks would have won.

Melo played some great defense in those games, btw. Not his fault that D'Antoni is worthless and doesn't preach TEAM defense. One NY gets rid of him, you'll see how great of a defender Melo is.

lmao @ that dude saying Bosh over Melo. You can't be fucking serious. Please tell me you're trollin'.


oh and since we're talking about top 5 players this year.

(imo)
1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Rose

Dunno how any of you can leave out Dwight in their top 3... He took a team full of scrubs to the 4th seed and the dude alone makes the Magic one of the best defensive teams in the L.
 
Yeah, playing in Toronto people do not become too familiar with your game. Bosh has a unique style for a power forward, being more of a clutch shooter than a push it to the rim and dunk kind of guy.

He had to make a greater adjustment than any of the Big 3 since playing for the Heat, and lately he has done very well, even before the 76er's series. He is the most pivotal player for The Heat to succeed. Miami struggled just a little bit in their last game against Philly because he was cold. When he is hot, nobody in the league can stop The Heat.

That first paragraph sounds like Dirk. Easily the most underrated player in the NBA. He has the single hardest shot to defend in NBA history, his 12 ft turn-around/fade-away one-footed jump shot, and is the toughest defensive match up ever.

Bosh has never impressed me.

Ill do a top 10 instead of a top 5.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3.Kevin Durant
4. Lebron James
5. Dwight Howard
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dirk
8. Deron Williams
9. Derrick Rose
10. Chris Paul(when healthy)
 
All upsets today. Still, The Thunder is just too dominant over Denver. I know the score is still close, but the talent differential is simply too clear. OKC sweeps the series for sure. Durant and Westbrook are monsters.


I think San Antonio goes out in the first round. I'm hoping for a Heat/Thunder finals, can anyone imagine a more fast paced and exciting match-up? Shit would be more intense than 10 hits of LSD.
 
If the Heat make it to the finals against the Thunder, Lebron gets his ring. It might be an ok match up to watch, but the Heat will destroy the Thunder in a seven game series. I also think the Spurs, Lakers, and Mavericks would all kill the Heat. If you want a good finals, the 1 or 3 seed from the east against any top four seed in west.

I hope and pray Caron is healthy for round 2. The Mavericks are the best team in the NBA when all their players are healthy, followed closely by LA. Had the best record in the NBA before his injury and had the best defense in that same time period.
 
No one in here is Gunna believe me, but I picked portland and Memphis to win their first round series on my home bracket
 
A lot of us on here predicted Portland, but picking Memphis (I choose to believe you) is goddamn impressive. I thought the Spurs would go out in the second or WCF, and didn't give the Grizzles a chance.
 
yeah its far from over yet but memphis is just so gritty it will be damn tough for the spurs to with 3 out of 4 against them. its much more likely grizz will win 2 out of 4 and this will be a 7 gamer

im telling you man, tony allen is one of the most under rated defensive players in the nba. I remeber last year in the finals he gave kobe HELL o nseveral games. plus shane battier is a hell of a defender too. ginobli missing game one really impacted the series as well.
 
The Spurs will be fine, as will Dallas. This round. People over-exaggerate when a Texas team does anything. Win or lose. Supposedly the bottom seeds in the west were blessed not only with as favorable a match up as they could have, but the match up that most of them actually wanted. Crazy West.
 
People over-exaggerate when a Texas team does anything. Win or lose.

That is because San Antonio is insanely boring to watch and The Mavs have a reputation for being horrible in the offseason. They are one more first round exit away from being the leagues biggest joke. Seriously, if they lose to Portland, they are hopeless.

And if San Antonio makes the Finals and the Heat do not, I probably will not watch. I would watch any other team, but I fall asleep in their games that I am not involved in. I fell asleep during the Grizzlies game today.

Ok, maybe I just nodded, but the Bulls/Pacers kept me awake despite all of the oxy coursing through my body and in my brain right now.
 
That first paragraph sounds like Dirk. Easily the most underrated player in the NBA. He has the single hardest shot to defend in NBA history, his 12 ft turn-around/fade-away one-footed jump shot, and is the toughest defensive match up ever.

Bosh has never impressed me.

Ill do a top 10 instead of a top 5.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3.Kevin Durant
4. Lebron James
5. Dwight Howard
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dirk
8. Deron Williams
9. Derrick Rose
10. Chris Paul(when healthy)

drose is better then deron williams and i love deron he went to u of i..but give him 2-3 years and drose will be near the top of that list..he is only 22 right now..that is amazing
 
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