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2010-11 NBA Thread

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Serious said:
^ Well just in case you didn't know, our STARTING center Bynum was out until December, recovering from off season knee surgery. Gasol is playing less minutes now.
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yeah, they're blowing people out now. we're gonna see very soon how good they are @ full strength -- but cant be losing to the milwaukees at home -- but they do have a lot of ground to make up as well.

my point was they may be trying to conserve their energy, as well they should, but they haven't been able to yet until now. they have to keep blowing teams out because like you said, they need a top 2 seed.

Also, Kobe is playing only 32 MPG. I'd say they are conserving him.
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depends on who you think is more important to the team ;)
 
KamMoye said:
let's agree to disagree =)
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You really think that any other team in the East can beat the Heat in a seven game series? Who, the Magic? Come on, man.

Name one Eastern Conference team that even has a chance, and explain why. I dare you. I double dare you.
 
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Name one Eastern Conference team that even has a chance, and explain why. I dare you. I double dare you.
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Chicago when fully healed,
because they are strongest where miami is weakest, point guard and center. not to mention the pieces in between (boozer, deng ect)
chicago has a damn solid team, they just havent all been healthy yet for too long

I would have said orlando too, but I think losing gortat hurt their cause. who knows if the current team they have now can gel at all, hedo took them to a finals, GA is capable of huge scoring outbursts, and J rich is clutch, but who knows if they can really gel plus I think the key to beating miami/boston is in the middle

think about this, miami is 0-2 against the celtics, 1-1 against orlando, and 0-2 against the mavs. all 3 are legit deep playoff teams and thats a record of 1-5

obviously reading too much into the regular season is pointless, but the root therios are still there that miami struggles against top contenders who are strong in the middle and have good ball movement. Chicago is that exact team they just havent really had a full chance yet.
 
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You really think that any other team in the East can beat the Heat in a seven game series? Who, the Magic? Come on, man.

Name one Eastern Conference team that even has a chance, and explain why. I dare you. I double dare you.
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even aces get cracked

for one, do you really think the "better" team is guaranteed to win a best-of-7 series?

bulls/celts/magic/heat are all title-contenders.

hollinger ftw:

Yet the Lakers find themselves slipping well out of range of San Antonio -- they're already 4.5 games behind, and as I mentioned, they've yet to get into the teeth of their schedule. Moreover, with Dallas at 23-5, the Lakers face the very real possibility of having to win two series on the road just to get back to the Finals. That's a far different road than we imagined heading into the season, when L.A. was an overwhelming favorite to win the conference.

And for those of you who aren't troubled by that fact and think the Lakers can just turn it on for the postseason, consider these two facts: (1) The Lakers have been the West's top seed each of the past three seasons, helping grease their Western Conference three-peat, and (2) L.A. hasn't won a series without home-court advantage since … wait for it … 2002 against Sacramento.
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Lmao Hollinger. Heat could lose 20 straight and they would still be #1 in his rankings.

Fgt should just stick to baseball stats.
 
grimble crumble said:
Chicago when fully healed,
because they are strongest where miami is weakest, point guard and center. not to mention the pieces in between (boozer, deng ect)
chicago has a damn solid team, they just havent all been healthy yet for too long

I would have said orlando too, but I think losing gortat hurt their cause. who knows if the current team they have now can gel at all, hedo took them to a finals, GA is capable of huge scoring outbursts, and J rich is clutch, but who knows if they can really gel plus I think the key to beating miami/boston is in the middle

think about this, miami is 0-2 against the celtics, 1-1 against orlando, and 0-2 against the mavs. all 3 are legit deep playoff teams and thats a record of 1-5

obviously reading too much into the regular season is pointless, but the root therios are still there that miami struggles against top contenders who are strong in the middle and have good ball movement. Chicago is that exact team they just havent really had a full chance yet.
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I agree with this post in general.

However, when you look at the 2006 Heat team that won the Title, they were all-defeated by teams that led their division during the regular season.

I know Riley isn't the coach, but he has major input. Spoelstra is his protege, and Riley will be damn sure to teach him everything he knows. The fact of the matter is, Riley's teams are amongst the best in the NBA as far as figuring out what the other team is doing in a seven game series and outsmarting them by the end of it, provided they have the personnel.

We will find out this season if having the best 2,3 and 4 in this league can make up for a lack of a dominant 1 and 5. Although Chalmers is beginning to come along nicely, as I predicted he would. I foresee him becoming a bit of a Rajon Rondo. They play different games, but I believe Rondo only puts up such amazing statistics because of the guys he is passing to. Once Boston's Big 3 retires or gets too old, I expect him to go back to being a pedestrian player.

But I'll be damned if this isn't the best NBA season in a long time. Nobody really knows who is going to the finals. The Heat are dominating smaller competition like nobody else, but getting beat by the elites. The Celtics and Spurs are getting old, and despite having the best records in their respective conferences, there are legitimate questions about them being able to hold up in a seven game series. The Mavericks are the Mavericks, out of the big 5 teams I would give them the least shot of making the finals.

And the Lakers deserve a paragraph of their own. Are they getting old? Probably not, but it is a legit question. Will Bynum be healthy? Will Gasol get worn out? And are they going to be able to contend with all of these teams that have improved immensely, like the Spurs, Celtics, and Heat?

I'm sorry for omitting The Bulls, but I don't think they will be able to compete with the two best in the East. I think The Magic just fucked themselves as well. They gave up too much of their nucleus for a bunch of wild cards. Gilbert Arenas has proven to be the most unreliable player in all of sports, as much as I admire his game.
 
imo, and this is all subject to massive change in the next 2-3 months:

Spurs should be considered the faves in the West based off performance to date and track record. They have 3 All-Star caliber players and a deep and complimentary bench means they can comfortably match up big or small. Will only improve as they incorporate 6'11 Tiago Splitter.

Celtics have, more or less, maintained their high level of play from the Finals despite their age. They have four stars and, when healthy, a powerhouse of frontcourt depth. I still consider them the favorites to win it all.

It's presumed the Lakers will turn into a powerhouse as they incorporate Bynum, and I can't disagree. Pau Gasol is the best big man in the game, so once you add in Odom and Bynum, the opponent is stuck adjusting to their size. Their only question is their bench, and it's a much smaller question now. Shannon Brown is playing with a ton of confidence, but a few years ago so was Sasha Vujacic. If Brown is for real, though, the bench can hang. Matt Barnes could start for half the NBA.

The Heat ride to dominance off their superstars, but in the playoffs may be exposed by matchup problems. We've seen Ilgauskas defend Howard in the playoffs these past few seasons; it's not pretty. Their frontcourt depth is horrendous, and it's going to be exploited every step of the way.

It will be interesting to see how viable a Miller-LBJ-Wade-Bosh-Haslem lineup could be... if Haslem can get healthy in time.

It would be a huge shock if any other team won a title this year. But the Magic and Bulls are serious contenders nonetheless.

The Bulls are just so well-coached. Tom Thibodeau is putting together the parts of his team masterfully, and if they can trade for a real SG and ditch Ronnie Brewer, I seriously do think this team can match up with any other team in the league. Defensively Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson and Luol Deng provide a lot of length, and while Boozer hasn't been known for his defense to date, great coaching tends to maximize talents.

Unfortunately their bench isn't very dynamic, which is why I don't see them competing with the aforementioned teams.

As for the Magic, if everything breaks right there they are easily up there with the elite. A lot of it is the coaching: Stan Van Gundy is a fabulous one, and he has leverage to get Arenas motivated. Arenas never lacked the physical tools to be a capable defender; he just lacked the will. And he's still a knock-down spot-up shooter, so if he can harness his shot selection he could have a career revival.

That's a lot of wishful thinking! That's why I like their chances the least. But if they luck out, they could definitely reach the Finals again.
 
I've never been a big Stan Van Hungry fan

but I do agree that Ray Allen is one of the best offensive powerhouses of our generation, as much as I dislike Jesus ;) he has perhaps the single greatest shooting form of all time, it is perfect in it's beautiful display of mechanics
 
KamMoye said:
Pau Gasol is the best big man in the game, so
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Unless you're talking strictly PF's, then I would agree. Dirk is 2nd.
 
I think its clear that the Celtics, heat, lakers, and spurs are the most favored to be in, or win the finals, but if I had to throw one team in from each conferance that could easily be in the mix, it would be the mavs and the bulls

it seems like most of the the people in this thread agree with that except its hard not to count the magic

but I think that trade made them better offensively but It depleted them in other ways. they should have found a way to keep gortat. they still have the tools to upset the heat or bulls, but im not sure if they are a title team, beating the spurs tonight would be a huge statement game from them though. super excited for that game

anyone else feel like gortat is going to fit perrrrfect in the suns system, hes got legit big man defensive and rebounding skills, but is athletic enough to keep up with the suns fast moving O
super excited for this one tonight as well

good bball goin on this season people
 
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Barring major injuries, nobody in the East is taking the C's in a 7 game series. Orlando got a little better, but still not a legit contender. Plus who's gonna backup Dwight?

I'm 99.9% sure it will be Lakers/C's again in Finals '11.
 
L O V E L I F E said:
You. Are. Tripping.
Third - Unless MJ recently changed his name to "Allen," the fact that you have "Allen" (who? RAY ALLEN?!!! TONY ALLEN?!!!) ahead of Kobe is the singular most asinine statement I've heard about the NBA in my life.
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I was thinking Iverson when I read that. No way Ray Allen is top ten

McGrady could have a case to be in a top ten, along with Duncan

I have a problem with Shaq being #1 considering the fact that most of his points came from the paint, but he definitely should make the list.
 
are points from the paint less valuable than points elsewhere?

no, actually you'll find it's the opposite..

and one of the greatest passing big men of all-time
 
L O V E L I F E said:
First - the "greatest offensive player" of the greatest generation of the NBA according to you is sooooo bad at such a crucial portion of the game that he was an offensive LIABILITY during crunch time of important play-off series EVEN in his prime!
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this pretty much sums it up for me. I think the greatest offensive player should not be a liability to his team offensively at any point, and should also be fluent in every aspect of offensive game (post, midrange, transistion ect)
arguing that Kobe is not the greatest offensive force of this generation is to me almost comedic

his displays of offensive brilliance over the years speak for themselves (besides the 5 rings)

  • only 3 players have ever scored 60 points or more in a game over 4 times in their careers in nba history, they are Wilt Chamberlain with 32 times, MJ with 5, and Kobe Bryant with 5 times
  • who can forget that on Jan. 22, 2006, Kobe dropped 81 points against the Raptors in a 122-104 Lakers win. The 81 is the second highest single-game point total in NBA history
  • a more impressive feat in my opinion was when Kobe scored 62 points in only three quarters against the Mavericks. Heading into the fourth quarter, he had outscored the Mavericks by himself 62-61. this was the year the mav's went to the finals, this is the only time something like that has ever occured for that amount of time since the start of the shot clock era
  • From March 16-23 of 2007, Bryant amassed an absurd 225 points in four games going 65-50-60-50, (could you imagine what the lebron fans would be saying if he did this) only kobe and Wilt are in this same historical category


anyway..... who else enjoyed the magic spurs game is much as me. Give credit to GA for really being that spark.
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5953995



CLEVELAND -- Former Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown has been hired by ESPN as an analyst.

Brown, who was fired in June after the Cavs lost to Boston in the Eastern Conference semifinals, will begin his TV stint on Christmas Day for the New York-Chicago telecast on ESPN 3D, the network said Thursday. Brown will also contribute as an ESPN studio analyst throughout the season.

Brown was the most successful coach in Cavs history. He went 314-177 in five seasons and was the league's coach of the year in 2009. But Cleveland's failure to win a title despite having the league's best record and LeBron James the past two seasons led to Brown's dismissal.

Brown would like to return to coaching one day. He helped coach one of his son's football teams this fall and has been enjoying more time with his family since being fired.
 
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