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Imagine D12 on a team like OKC.

He might just be using that as motivation for his teammates and the GM.
 
the deal makes a lot sense in that light. it's the same thing the cavs did.

that's the thing: making these "title or bust" claims without actually having faith in your organization almost invariably leads to a bunch of decisions aimed at the short-term. that's just bad politics.

it also decreases his team's leverage for following trades...

there's a reason superstars don't switch teams often: they have to pass up a lot of money. james, wade and bosh were one of the few superstars since the inception of free agency to pass up millions in their prime.

and d-ho would be kinda dum to opt out this summer when he could get locked into a more favorable contract than, presumably, the next CBA will allow
 
this is a very interesting point from hollinger:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Just seven months ago, the San Antonio Spurs couldn't beat the Phoenix Suns a single time in four tries in the second round of the Western Conference playoffs. Try as the Spurs might, the Suns' league-best offense was simply too good for them to stop.
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when you put it like that, it makes all the people who are like, "derp defense > offense, u can't win with offense in the playoffs!" look stupid. well, more stupid. the seven second or less suns have revolutionized the way offense is thought of in the NBA, and more and more teams are copying them. sounds successful to me.
 
KamMoye said:
this is a very interesting point from hollinger:



when you put it like that, it makes all the people who are like, "derp defense > offense, u can't win with offense in the playoffs!" look stupid. well, more stupid. the seven second or less suns have revolutionized the way offense is thought of in the NBA, and more and more teams are copying them. sounds successful to me.
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i dunno though, because the spurs lack of D is what undid them, then in the next series the suns lack of D (and some amazing kobe shots) is what undid them. the offense definetily works, look at the knicks this season, but youve got to have the one two puch with solid D.
 
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the best is the enemy of the better.

how are you conceptualizing "undid them"? in other words, how are you phrasing success?

winning a title? because if that's so, i would say not being the best team in the NBA did them in.

or making the playoffs? presumably that is what ownership considers "success," because that's what makes money.
 
undid = what took them out of the playoffs

was phrassing sucssess as winning a title, because that is the most common support for the argument of defense > offense that you were referencing in your post
 
but is that your opinion? or are you getting your lawyer on and merely representing popular opinion?
 
The Spurs couldn't beat the Suns because their defense just isn't the same as it used to be. They just can't do it on a consistent basis anymore. That simple. Duncan is still great but isn't half the defensive monster he used to be, and there were a few guys on that team that failed to step up offensively in that series.

I did not expect them to get swept though...
 
Dirk needs 37 points to pass Bird on the All-Time list (25th).

When can we start saying Dirk, along with Shaq, is the best offensive player of his generation?

Off my head:

1. Shaq
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Nash
5. Allen
6. Kobe
7. Pierce
8-10 ???
 
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Ughhhhh

This is fucking embarrassing, getting destroyed on your own floor by a mediocre 10-16 squad without Jennings.

Jesus, have some fucking pride. They played so terrible; no offensive flow, lazy defense, lazy rebounding, horrible decision making.

I swear this shit happens every season, Lakers play with their heads up their asses all of December and January... I didn't mind it too much last year but this year there are teams in the West gunning for 60+ wins. We can get the 2 seed, but cannot afford the 3 seed. We need HCA vs Boston. Fuck.
 
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Ughhhhh

This is fucking embarrassing, getting destroyed on your own floor by a mediocre 10-16 squad without Jennings.

Jesus, have some fucking pride. They played so terrible; no offensive flow, lazy defense, lazy rebounding, horrible decision making.

I swear this shit happens every season, Lakers play with their heads up their asses all of December and January... I didn't mind it too much last year but this year there are teams in the West gunning for 60+ wins. We can get the 2 seed, but cannot afford the 3 seed. We need HCA vs Boston. Fuck.
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Don't worry about it. I fucking hate the Lakers, but they will be in the finals. The only legit threat is the Spurs, but I think they will wear out come playoff time. The Lakers are conserving their energy wisely.

But they will have to face the Heat. The only legit threat to the Heat in the East are the Celtics, and I just don't see us losing to them in a seven game series, even if we lose all of our regular season games to them. Pat Riley teams know how to play on that other level come playoff time and surprise some people. Phil Jackson is the same way.
 
KamMoye said:


Best Offensive Players Of Our Generation:

Off my head:

1. Shaq
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Nash
5. Allen
6. Kobe
7. Pierce
8-10 ???
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You. Are. Tripping.

First - the "greatest offensive player" of the greatest generation of the NBA according to you is sooooo bad at such a crucial portion of the game that he was an offensive LIABILITY during crunch time of important play-off series EVEN in his prime!

Second - stats are not everything. KNOWING HOW TO FUCKING WIN fucking matters.

KG & Dirk DO NOT KNOW HOW TO WIN. (psssst.: Kobe DOES.)

It's been proven too many times to count.

Third - Unless MJ recently changed his name to "Allen," the fact that you have "Allen" (who? RAY ALLEN?!!! TONY ALLEN?!!!) ahead of Kobe is the singular most asinine statement I've heard about the NBA in my life.

I can't believe I just wasted three minutes of my life responding to this nonsense.

You're either a decent troll, or the worst basketball analyst of all time.
 
^^^ agreed, but didnt want to respond because I didnt feel like taking over the thread with a million post argument again. LL check out page 8 and be amused
 
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L O V E L I F E said:
Second - stats are not everything. KNOWING HOW TO FUCKING WIN fucking matters.
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is bill russell the greatest player of all-time?

is robert horry a hall of famer?

my condolences, but with me i demand the level of intellectual discourse to be higher than a bar room brawl.

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The Lakers are conserving their energy wisely.
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tim duncan is playing the fewest minutes of his career. pau gasol is playing the most. how are they conserving their energy? i don't mean to be sarcastic either -- what are they doing that has led you to believe this?

The only legit threat to the Heat in the East are the Celtics
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let's agree to disagree =)
 
^ Well just in case you didn't know, our STARTING center Bynum was out until December, recovering from off season knee surgery. Gasol is playing less minutes now.

Also, Kobe is playing only 32 MPG. I'd say they are conserving him.
 
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/release_brown_101222.html

Charlotte Bobcats Chairman and CEO Michael Jordan announced today that Larry Brown is stepping down as head coach of the team, effective immediately.

"I met with Coach Brown two weeks ago about the team’s performance and what we could do to improve it. We met again this morning after practice. The team has clearly not lived up to either of our expectations and we both agreed that a change was necessary," Jordan said.

"This was a difficult decision for both of us, but one that needed to be made. I want to thank Larry for everything he has done for our team. He has played a key role in this organization’s development, including coaching us to our first playoff appearance last season. Larry will continue to be a valuable advisor to me regarding the team. The search for a successor will begin immediately."

Brown was named the third head coach in team history on April 29, 2008, and compiled a record of 88-104 (.458) in two-plus seasons with the Bobcats.




I'd love to see Jordan coach this team. Half the players would be pissing themselves on a regular basis.
 
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