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2010-11 NBA Thread

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I'm still not worried. I do not put too much stock in the early parts of the regular season. Besides, Riley will take over this team soon enough and knock some sense into they asses.

Axl was correct in his assessment that Spoelstra sucks ass as a head coach. But this year reminds me of the last year the Heat won the championship, we had a shitty regular season (not as shitty, but it was a much weaker NBA all-around) where we did not beat one top 4 playoff team from the East or the West, then Riley took over from Stan Van Gundy and the team went on a tear in the playoffs.
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trust me dude, riley isnt taking over. part of the reason he took over van gundy is because he needed to get the monkey of his back of "cant win without kareem." hes got that now and I think genuinely likes being a GM.

plus I think he knows this team needs a season to "gell" before theyre ring primered and doesnt want a failed attempt on his shiny record. whats the point? hes already considered one of the best coaches ever and definetily wont catch phil jackson anytime soon.
 
anything other than Eric Spoelstra. that dude does suck, mostly because I find it hard for him to command the same respect as a Jackson or Riley or even a Stan Van Gundy. you all seemed to point the blame at the Heat's misfortunes to Chris Bosh... but he has put up some great games. the fact of the matter is that when LBJ and Wade are together on court, they do not have much chemistry. they both look lost and aggravated when together...
 
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anything other than Eric Spoelstra. that dude does suck, mostly because I find it hard for him to command the same respect as a Jackson or Riley or even a Stan Van Gundy. you all seemed to point the blame at the Heat's misfortunes to Chris Bosh... but he has put up some great games. the fact of the matter is that when LBJ and Wade are together on court, they do not have much chemistry. they both look lost and aggravated when together...
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I don't think you have seen too much of the Heat at all. You are correct in saying that Bosh has been pretty fucking good, and he is most certainly not the problem.

However, Wade and James have been outstanding together at times. I think that the team needs a coaching change, but a part of the issue is also that Wade and James are essentially learning to play in entirely different situations than they were previously used to. James is moving to Point Forward instead of Small Forward, and Wade has to learn to play off the ball a little more.

This isn't like the Celtics, where Garnett, Pierce, and Allen could play the same game they had always played. This Heat team is something that has never been done before, there is no blueprint for this like there is with most models teams are built on. A quality coach simply has find a way to utilize the tremendous amount of talent on this team, and once that happens they will be unstoppable.
 
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This isn't like the Celtics, where Garnett, Pierce, and Allen could play the same game they had always played.

This Heat team is something that has never been done before, there is no blueprint for this like there is with most models teams are built on.

A quality coach simply has find a way to utilize the tremendous amount of talent on this team, and once that happens they will be unstoppable.
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I actually agree with your theory.

EXCEPT for the fact that in my strong opinion, people are VASTLY overrating how "tremendous" LeBron and Wade are - sure LeBron's excellent - but he's nowhere NEAR the Jordan-esque player MANY people thought he'd be by now - his eighth season.

And Wade, while also excellent, has been banged up quite a bit, and is not quite the superduperstar he was when he led the Heat to the Title in 2006.

I suppose what I'm saying is that if, hypothetically, these two players were actually THE BEST TEAMMATES EVER (and they're CLEARLY NOT - MJ & Pippen in 1996 and Kobe & Shaq in 2002 were CLEARLY better than are Lebron & Wade are in 2011), THEN I would agree that a well-respected stud coach (like Phil Jackson in 1996 or Phil Jackson in 2002) could get two players to maximize their respective talents, and help win their team the title.

And without respect - LeBron & Wade . . . you're no MJ & Pippen .
 
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I don't think you have seen too much of the Heat at all...
However, Wade and James have been outstanding together at times
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taken from ESPN.com

ORLANDO, Fla. -- There were six minutes left and the Miami Heat were ahead by one point.

Dwyane Wade had just scored two baskets and assisted on two others by baiting the defense and finding the open man. The Heat had eliminated the Orlando Magic's once sizable lead.

The horn sounded and LeBron James tore off his warm-up and bounced onto the floor. The crowd at Amway Center was worried, so worried it forgot to boo James as it had been doing all night.

So this was it. Wade and James on the same team and ready to take control of a close road game against an elite team as they've done so often in their careers. When they were on that Miami stage back in July it was these moments they were dreaming of, eventually in June it was assumed.

Double-barreled superstars in superstar time, right?

No, it was more like Wile E. Coyote pulling the trigger only to display a little sign that read "bang."
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I've watched some Heat, definitely watched the Orlando VS Miami game. I'm pretty sure there's a stat out there showcasing just how many points James and Wade DON'T score when together on court, compared to the team's other options. swear I saw it the other day...
 
Wade has been sick with some kind of flu bug for the past week. He seems to get sick pretty often. But I never trust what ESPN says or how they report it. The Cowboys were supposed to be Superbowl contenders this year, right?


Oh, and the Heat killed the Magic earlier in the year. I hope ESPN brought that up.


Damn I sound uppity and pissed off in this post. Its not intended, I just took a lot of xanax. Too lazy to write nicely.
 
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I actually agree with your theory.

EXCEPT for the fact that in my strong opinion, people are VASTLY overrating how "tremendous" LeBron and Wade are - sure LeBron's excellent - but he's nowhere NEAR the Jordan-esque player MANY people thought he'd be by now - his eighth season.

And Wade, while also excellent, has been banged up quite a bit, and is not quite the superduperstar he was when he led the Heat to the Title in 2006.

I suppose what I'm saying is that if, hypothetically, these two players were actually THE BEST TEAMMATES EVER (and they're CLEARLY NOT - MJ & Pippen in 1996 and Kobe & Shaq in 2002 were CLEARLY better than are Lebron & Wade are in 2011), THEN I would agree that a well-respected stud coach (like Phil Jackson in 1996 or Phil Jackson in 2002) could get two players to maximize their respective talents, and help win their team the title.

And without respect - LeBron & Wade . . . you're no MJ & Pippen .
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If LeBron and Wade are not tremendous, define tremendous? Nobody will ever be Jordan or Chamberlain again. Ever. And it is three players who are supposed to make this roster complete. I would also take either LeBron, Wade, or Bosh over Pippen any day. Not taking anything away from the dude, but he would not be the star he is today without Jordan. He would be like Gasol without Kobe (Kobe is still the best in the NBA, no doubt).

But right now, Wade is sick, and the two most important role players (Haslem and Miller) are out. The team has not won a game without Haslem this year, who is one of the most underrated players in the game.

The only teams that legitimately worry me are the Lakers and the Celtics. The Celtics have earned their place in the worry list by beating the Heat twice. But then again, the Heat are not even complete yet.
 
What shocks me is how much fun teams and fans have had against the Heat, while even at the victories at the AAA, the atmosphere has been dull. But Memphis: those fuckers were celebrating like they'd won the finals, and don't get me started on the intensity levels in Orlando or at the Garden.

The AAA sorta reminds me of MSG with fans not packing the seats until like the 2nd quarter. Except at MSG, once the fans get to their seats, the energy is incredible.

Against Utah when we had a 10 point advantage with a minute left, half the seats were empty when Millsap started nailing 3 after 3 after 3.


Poor Sixers are about to get raped.
 
seep said:
What shocks me is how much fun teams and fans have had against the Heat, while even at the victories at the AAA, the atmosphere has been dull. But Memphis: those fuckers were celebrating like they'd won the finals...
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get used to it, being a fan of LBJ's team during his first eight year, I've noticed how much people love to talk smack about him on the internet, boo him IRL, and celebrate like it was Spring Break '99 if their team ever beats him. with LBJ and his highly volatile (in a good way) media agenda, it just comes slicing with the double edged sword. get used to it, my friend...
 
I think seep may be talking about South Florida fans lack of enthusiasm for the sports they worship. Nobody except the Dolphins sells out their stadium/arena on a regular basis, and Dolphins tickets are way overpriced, so you have a bunch of people in the front row who are there as a status symbol for themselves rather than as true fans.

Canes games are much better, but the crowd rarely shows up, especially after they tore down the Orange Bowl (as I have said before, I will never attend another Miami football game until they rebuild their own stadium).

But people down here rarely care about the Heat. There is very little enthusiasm because everybody down here lives and dies to watch football. The Heat will always be third to the two big football teams, no matter if they win 10 'ships in a row.
 
that sucks that Miami is having difficulties being both a football and basketball city. the City of Cleveland had no such qualms, but as an outsider looking in on their sports teams, I must say that Cleveland sports fans are such an anomaly in the realm of fanhood. they live and die for the Browns, which usually means they end up dying. although they don't have a powerhouse college football team, they at least ardent Ohio State football supporters. and obviously, their affection towards the Cleveland Cavaliers runs very deep...

I can't wait to see when the Miami Heat visit the Cavs at Cleveland on December 3rd (I believe?). the Cavs got it up early to beat a great all-around Boston Celtics team, but have been just as mediocre as the Miami Heat since then

despite the Cavs being LARGELY undermanned compared to the Heat, I can't wait to see how the crowd reacts to their still smarting bum from LBJ skipping town on national television

should be epic NBA watching, especially if the Cavs can pull the upset off at home
 
^ Agreed. And it's December 2nd. I'll be there. :)

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This isn't like the Celtics, where Garnett, Pierce, and Allen could play the same game they had always played. This Heat team is something that has never been done before, there is no blueprint for this like there is with most models teams are built on. A quality coach simply has find a way to utilize the tremendous amount of talent on this team, and once that happens they will be unstoppable.
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I actually see it a different way. While people will say "wouldn't you want that kind of talent on your team if you got the opportunity???" I'd have to say that I think the main problem isn't that these superstars have to adapt to a new game... the front office can easily be to blame because if you construct a "machine" out of too many of the same parts, it's not going to function properly. Yes this is a once in a lifetime type of team, but there's a reason it's only been attempted once in a lifetime... and it's more than just because of the salaries, it's because most good teams with good front offices tend to find the right players for the fit rather than fit the wrong players in the "right" places.

Herb Brooks, the coach of the 1980 US Olympic hockey team, was once quoted as saying "I don't want the BEST players, I want the RIGHT players." I'd say it translates well to any sport.
 
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^ Will LeBron be doing his chalk throwing routine like he does in every game? That would be an epic troll move on his part, no doubt there would be beers flying his way. =D


Oh and what the fuck is wrong with Wade lately? :( That's really the only player on that team I feel sorry for, he has been one of my favorite ever since 2004.

He was one of the best mid-range shooters in 08-09... dude could get it off from anywhere on the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKoETzoCXuQ
 
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^ Will LeBron be doing his chalk throwing routine like he does in every game? That would be an epic troll move on his part, no doubt there would be beers flying his way. =D
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there has been a lot of debate lately in Cleveland as to whether he will pull this move on the crowd. although he does it every game, I think that he should not perform his cute pre-game ceremony at the Q. those Cleveland fans are fucking nuts, need I bring up the news report two weeks ago that an 8 year-old NY Jets fan visiting Cleveland got tackled by a grown-ass man in front of the kids' parents
 
As dickish of a move as it would be... I don't have a problem with it personally if he does the chalk routine. It was his routine not Clevelands, but Cleveland took the routine and made it an image hence the reason Cleveland would feel disrespected if he does it. Like I said... it'd be a dick move knowing what the city feels, but it is what it is and realistically... why would he change his pregame routine to a appease a city that he had no respect for from the get go?

Also... security is gonna be incredibly beefed up this game. There are gonna be undercover cops, an enormous amount of personnel guarding James, himself, and vulgar anti-LBJ apparel has already been banned for this game. That said, I'll be sporting a QUITNESS shirt and will be booing in full effect. I'm sure this shit's gonna get fucking crazy. I'm taking my camera with me and going early with intentions of photographing some of the madness before, during, and after the game.
 
cattledecapitation said:
Watching LeBron's return is still not worth having to watch the Cavs play.
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Why? Cavs playing as a team >>>> LeBron playing 1 on 5.

This might sound stupid to some of you but I actually think the Cavs enjoy not having LeBron on this team anymore. You can see it on their faces, they're having so much fun out there.
 
Agreed. And I've had people around here ask if I think it'll be an Indiana/Detroit situation all over again. That won't happen. As much as LBJ is an egocentric asshole (sorry heat fans)... he simply isn't someone who acts out of a moment of passion. He's poised enough to not let his emotions get the best of him (as far as lashing out goes).

Also... as an aside... does anyone notice how when someone tries to draw a charge on Lebron... he goes in face first and does a Matrix like move while bouncing off of the player? I know many players overact, but WOW... he's not even slightly convincing, yet he STILL gets those calls. It's insane. I'm paraphrasing a commentator (can't remember who) in saying that not even a Mack truck would move him like that.
 
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