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kevin love tonight against OKC: 31points shooting over 50% and 21 rebounds (19 were in regulation) and they STILL lost.

yeah his rebounding numbers might go down if he was on a team that made more shots or played a slower pace... but GOD DAMN dudes putting up some numbers. one of the longest double double streaks of the past 25 years, first 30pt 30rb game in 28 years. think of all the dominate big men he beat out in that time.

its a shame he cant grab any wins along with all those rebounds. a testament to how shitty the T wolves are.

EDIT: felt bad about not mentioning the monster game durant had with 47 points and 18 rebounds. HOLY FUCK
 
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Is anyone else surprised at the consistency of Ryan Anderson's production? He's becoming a legit asset to this Orlando team and seems to be flying under most people's radars.

His season averages are 10.3 points and 4.7 Rebounds on 45% FG which isn't anything special, but it's his production as of late thats been terrific.

In January:
15 ppg 6.3 reb 1.1 blocks on 48% FG. In addition he's averaging 3 threes a game on 43% and 81% FT.

Furthermore, he's hit 3+ threes in 8 out of his last 10 games with 5 of those games including 4 three pointers made.

Some of his last few games:
21/5/3 blocks with 4 threes.
21/10/1 steal with 4 threes.
20/4 with 4 threes.
16/8/2 blocks with 4 threes.
15/11/2stls/1block with 3 threes.
15/5 with 3 threes
14/8/2 blocks with 4 threes.
16/7 with 3 threes.

Possible candidate for 6th man of the year if he keeps this up.
 
^I picked up Anderson in my fantasy league and he's STILL only owned in 58% of ESPN leagues despite averaging 16.4ppg, 6.6rpg, 1.1bpg and a RIDICULOUS 3.6 threes per game over the last 15 days (for perspective, Dorell Wright is hitting the most 3's per game on the season with 2.5). I also have Jason Richardson on my team who is averaging 14.8ppg, 4.8rpg, .1bpg and 2.7 threes per game over the same span... considerably less valuable than Anderson lately.

The trade to Orlando really fucked Richardson's numbers... he scored so much solely on being set up by Nash.
 
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Is anyone else surprised at the consistency of Ryan Anderson's production?
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im gonna try hard not to pat myself on the back in this post, but nope. fantasy players (i used to write about fantasy sports :( ) have been up on him for a minute.

i think he's strong evidence as to why stan van gundy is a top 5, top 3 coach in the NBA. he, along with brandon bass, has been developed low-key for years, and i think now that the magic are more confident in his defensive understanding and capability of the system they are letting him (and bass) take flight.

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Why do I have to adjust those numbers for pace?
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mindgames? because moses malone likely had more possessions to accumulate his numbers? because things only matter on a per-possession basis?

edit: al jefferson is worst defensively than i thought:

Utah has been outscored by more than ten points per 100 possessions with Jefferson on the court, a whopping figure that defies explanation when looking at his stats … until one flips on the TV and notes all the easy finishes at the basket every opponent gets against the Jazz. Despite adding several defensive-minded role players in the offseason, the Jazz were 20th in Defensive Efficiency entering this game and 27th in Defensive Rebound Rate.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110127/daily-dime

anyone see that game? im a spurs fan so im very biased but wow what a great game!

i cant understand how ANYONE who loves basketball thinks the spurs are boring. their offense is so much motion and cutting it would make jerry sloan blush! and because they foul less often than any other team in the NBA the games aren't sluggish.

and now tp is getting 3-point range? OH MY GOD! AND you had the great hubie brown commentating?

this bench is so good zomg:

pg - george hill (most underrated player in nba?)
sg - neal
sf - james anderson
pf - mcdyess/bonner (who did not play last night. ya i know we've been insanely healthy, but STILL)
c - tiago splitter

so far the only negative this season has been the porous play by tiago. i think he'll eventually be a stud (i hope!) but wow has he been awful every time i've seen him this year! he's almost 7 foot tho, so i really hope the spurs start giving him more PT to ramp up for the playoffs.

feel like watching sc over nba so prob wont see bos/por tonight

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Grant:

"CP3 to the Clippers. Paul. Gordon. Aminu. Griffin. Jordan. Looks like a championship team to me."

Hollinger:

"Right team, wrong point guard. Deron Williams is the guy who may very well be a Clipper in 2012. People think of Texas with him but he actually lives in San Diego in the offseason."

interesting to say the least
 
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^^^ could see deron going there. fuuuuuuck deron and griffin, would give the old nash/amare combo a run for its money

clips need someone for a center though. kaman has been a huge letdown for them. dont think they will go very far in the offseason until they get someone who can be a presence in the middle on defense
 
deandre jordan my friend

i think the only problem (from a biased pov) for the clippers will be getting rid of kaman

and clippers management showing any competence whatsoever in filling out the end of their bench
 
forgot about that mofo, dudes strong. his offesnsive game needs some major developing but hes got the physique and the D for sure

It would be cool to see the clips jell, lol maybe jason williams will end up there now that hes unhappy. would stack up the bench
 
prob my fave thing to make fun of laker fans about, cuz everyone seems to have bought into the legend of kobe bryant, clutch scorer:

Bryant makes crunch time defense easy for opponents by shooting just about every time he touches the ball (over a five-year period, he mustered 56 clutch shots, to go with one assist).

Fans of his raw machismo howl that such criticism misses the point, but the point is that when Bryant gets the ball in crunch time, it's a virtual certainty that he'll shoot it, and it's better than two-to-one odds that he'll miss.
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what a glory slut

In the final 24 seconds of playoff games, Bryant has racked up almost as many airballs as makes, making just below 30 percent of game-tying or go-ahead shots. He hasn't hit such a shot in a playoff game, in fact, since 2008, including key misses in the closing moments against the Jazz and Magic in 2009, and the Thunder and Suns last spring. He made one of his four shots in the fourth quarter of Game 7 of last year's Finals.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

LOL @ chris webber having a higher percentage than kobe

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Mike:

The mistake people make is to assume that inefficiency is caused by trying to do more in a GOOD way. A contested 18 footer with 18 seconds on the shot clock is a bad shot, no matter who takes it. Sure, Kobe might hit 38% of those, and some scrub 32%, but so what? Don’t take that shot. As in… NEVER.

Jordan shot over 50% for his career. He took efficient shots. Ditto Kareem and any number of greats, INCLUDING Lebron.

My rebuttal would be to compare the famous “Battier is MVP” game based upon what Battier knows: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html vs what “Common wisdom” from Hollinger says: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090114

Lets look at this telling part(s). Hollinger claims:

“The difference-maker, in the end, was Bryant’s presence”

But was it? The game hinged on a long Kobe three. From the NY Times (last page: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?pagewanted=8&_r=1)

Like everyone else in the place, Battier assumed that the game was still in Bryant’s hands. If he gave the ball up, it was only so that he might get it back. Bryant popped out. He was now a good four feet beyond the 3-point line, or nearly 30 feet from the basket.

28 . . .

Bryant caught the ball and, 27.4 feet from the basket, the Rockets’ front office would later determine, leapt. Instantly his view of that basket was blocked by Battier’s hand. This was not an original situation. Since the 2002-3 season, Bryant had taken 51 3-pointers at the very end of close games from farther than 26.75 feet from the basket. He had missed 86.3 percent of them. A little over a year ago the Lakers lost to the Cleveland Cavaliers after Bryant missed a 3 from 28.4 feet. Three nights from now the Lakers would lose to the Orlando Magic after Bryant missed a shot from 27.5 feet that would have tied the game. It was a shot Battier could live with, even if it turned out to be good.

Lets quote that again:

(Bryant had taken 51 3-pointers at the very end of close games from farther than 26.75 feet from the basket. He had missed 86.3 percent of them.

So that was an AWFUL shot. But, 13.7% of the time he gets it in.

Common wisdom is that Kobe is just “clutch” and, as Hollinger writes, “… took over the game in the fourth”. Statistical analysis, however, says he took a bad shot that he will, on rare occasion, make.

I give Batter the last word on that long three:

“I’ll take that shot every day of the week,” said Battier. “That’s probably the least efficient shot you can give him on any given Kobe possession, a 35-footer with a hand in his face.”
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tl;dr: Landry Fields is better than Derrick Rose. Holla.

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/01...starter-but-he-may-be-the-next-kobe/#comments
 
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^^^your over simplifying clutch my friend.

kobes clutch performances willing a team to win occur in more than just the last 24 seconds of a game.

also measuring buzzer beaters by makes or misses is a joke. theres a huge difference between a turn around fade away 22 footer with 3 guys in your face, than a quick layup before the buzzer sounds, and even further a half court hail mary is very different than both of those

the thing about buzzer beaters is every one is radically different than the next. tallying makes and misses narrows your view of reality to the point of not really seeing whats going on at all when it comes to those ones.

I go buy what I see. i see kobe win games with shots that have such a high degree of difficulty that only maybe one other guy on earth can make them with that regularity and hes retired making hanes comercials.

ive seen kobe literally take over games in the fourth quarter and beat an entire team of players himself.

you dont win 5 championships by coincidence.
 
"kobes clutch performances willing a team to win occur in more than just the last 24 seconds of a game."

last 5 min of the 4th quarter + all of overtime.

"I go buy what I see."

watch more than the ball imo

fwiw i watch as many laker games as anyone and my subjective opinion agrees with, and has been saying, this for as long time

stats dont lie.
 
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stats dont lie.
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pretty sure they do.

why hasnt your guy dirk won anything, the same man you said was the best offensive player of the era

stats dont measure everything buddy

the game of basketball is too rapid and fluent to be measured in the same way baseball is

there are entire franchises that have never won a single banner. why has kobe won 5 in the last decade
 
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^I didn't see that as defensive in the least. You seem to see what you expect... me being "annoyed", him being "defensive" etc.

Stats are a very good way to evaluate a player or team's performance but its not the ONLY way.
 
maybe you're unfamiliar with the term defensive? i'll explain.

[actually, please don't. let's try to keep this thread about pro-basketball, not your pedantic pestering points that nobody gives a Brian Scalabrine about - AXL!]

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I'm not sure what I'm purportedly kicking and I'm certainly not lying but how about we get back to NBA discussion?

Rose, suffering from 2 ulcers, shot wasn't falling tonight (6-21) but he still lit up the stat sheet with 22pts, 8/8 FT, 12ass and 6reb. Boozer threw in 16pts, 16reb and 4ass. Luol went off for 24pts in the second half (after a 2pt first half) and got a steal on a key play that essentially crushed the magic's hopes for a victory.

Howard had a crazy night with a season-high 40pts, 16reb, 4st and 3bl but the bulls defense held Arenas + j.Rich + Anderson + Turkoglu to 11 of 41 and the whole team shot 41% despite Howard connecting on 14 of 20.

The bulls have won 32 games so far this season, a benchmark they didn't reach until march 20th last year.
 
i think it's asinine that the nba stops the possession on a 24 shot clock violation. most of the time it's in the defense's favor -- a fast break opportunity -- yet they make them take the ball out of bounds. really wanna see that rule changed
 
DMC tonight: 27pts/10reb/2ast/3stl/2blks, 11-19 FG in 32 minutes.

and Sammy D outplayed Gasol. LO was nowhere to be seen.


Take out Shannon Brown, and our bench shot 14%...
If they shoot even 35%, we win.

Good news is that Bynum has to be at least 10 pounds lighter than the past few seasons and he's looking healthy out there. He hasn't ran with that type of fluidity since pre-injury...

It does make me feel better to watch the Celtics imploding and losing at Phoenix. Looks like both teams are looking ahead to Sunday's game.




Edit: lol @ KG cupcheck + ejection.

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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP)—The NBA has suspended guard O.J. Mayo(notes) 10 games without pay for violating the league and union’s anti-drug program with a positive test.

The league announced the suspension Thursday for Mayo’s positive test for dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). Mayo’s suspension will start Friday night when the Grizzlies visit Philadelphia, and he will be able to return Feb. 15 also against the 76ers in Memphis.

Mayo said in a statement released by the team that he is extremely disappointed he will miss 10 games as the Grizzlies are making a push for the playoffs. He blamed an over the counter supplement that he didn’t know was banned by the NBA for the positive test, but a team spokesman said Mayo declined to say which supplement he used.

“It was an honest mistake, but I take full responsibility for my actions,” Mayo said in the statement released by the team. I apologize to my fans, teammates and the Grizzlies organization for regrettably not doing the necessary research about what supplements I can put in my body.”

Mayo’s agent did not immediately return a message left at his office Thursday.

Mayo was the No. 3 pick overall in 2008 after only one season at USC, and Minnesota swapped him draft night deal to the Grizzlies for Kevin Love(notes). Mayo was runner-up to Chicago’s Derrick Rose(notes) for rookie of the year.

But the guard was moved to the bench earlier this season, starting just 15 of Memphis’ 45 games this season. He’s been bandied about as possible trade bait even while ranking fourth on the Grizzlies with 12.2 points per game.

Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley said Mayo will continue practicing with the team during his suspension.

“O.J. had a lack of judgment but has shown complete accountability,” Heisley said in a statement. “We will continue to support O.J. during this time as we have from the moment he joined the team in 2008. He has unselfishly done everything we have asked of him, and we expect him to grow as a player and a person from this experience.”
 
i had my doubts about you but you do live up to your name. respect.

cuz dude, think about it.

tonight i didnt give a fuck about the lakers-sac game. friday night, i'm tryna get on one, knawmsayin'? yeah, that's the problem -- you do know what i'm saying. so do a lot of people on the grind. so the los angeles lakers better the fuck not have a problem game with sacramento. you knock this one out early and take care of your shit.

only problem is they're not knocking these niggas out early, and hungrier teams know what's up. spurs are obviously playing the best basketball in the conference and it's not even close.

look at what happens. the celtics lost to an up-and-coming suns team on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. like van gundy was saying, you only stuck this one out if you really love hoops. yeah, well why the fuck did i have the tv on? why do i care about how the suns do right now against the celtics?

but does steve nash care? oh, you betcha. that's why there aren't any rumors of him going anywhere. he knows the suns organization is very smart and he cannot get elsewhere what he has right now. but he knows they know that so he also needs to start leveraging his future. immediately.

hence marcin gortat. not surprisingly he is exactly what the suns needed. is it surprising that they could get such an asset on command? from a team as smart as the magic? think about it.

i'm really happy too cuz this is exactly what i predicted! i'm gonna bet insane amounts of money on this shit and be rich.

AND I TYPED ALL OF THAT WITHOUT KNOCKING THE RESULTS! THE KINGS JUST BEAT THE LAKERS! ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME!

god sports is so ez i love it

as you can tell, i found what i was looking for tonight =P
 
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