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2005 Mlb!

Sure you should factor in the offensive strength of teams that a pitcher is winning games with, but to totally discount the W/L record of a pitcher is absurd.

Consider:

Let's say pitcher X always let up key runs at crucial parts of the game, but was nearly perfect in non-critical situations, such as if he had a huge lead. His accumulated era was low, while his W/L record was a reflection of his inability to perform in clutch moments and thus was very average. Pitcher X also pitched decently in the postseason, but nothing above average.

Let's say pitcher Y could be a slow starter, but once he got into a groove he would often shut the opponent down in the later innings. It also took him awhile during the season to get going, but come mid-may, he would usually shake off some early rough spots to be dominant later in the season, particularly the postseason. Pitcher Y pitched at his best in the critical situations, and thus won many close games. Getting blown up a couple of times early in the season inflated his season ERA to reach a level comparable to pitcher X.

Which player would you rather have?

Would you say the difference in these two pitchers is "irrelevant".

ERA is a decent way to approximate the consistency of a pitcher, but don't overstate it as the pitching stat.

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Gah. Let's keep this discussion in one thread. :)

For those scoring at home, this is what I said that prompted Hobby's reply:

TopRocka said:
You kidding me?

W's and L's is one of the most irrelevant stats when it comes to pitching.

It's largely dependent upon the runs their team scores. Most of it is out of their hand.
 
I figured better to drag this debate in here than let it clog up the draft. Anyways, this thread needs the traffic.
 
TopRocka said:
BTW, not sure if you meant to, but you described Pedro Martinez perfectly as pitcher Y.

Yeah, that was intentional to try and get you to see my point of view ;)
 
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Don't tell me about Kevin Brown; or Darren Dreifort for that matter, who is still the highest paid player on the Dodgers...
 
Fucking Christ, the Yankees got swept by the Royals. Orgasm.
 
^And getting taken to town by the Brewha's :D

In other news, CBS4's Bob Lobel Reports That Fenway's Left Field Foul Pole Will Be Renamed 'Fisk's Foul Pole' Before the Game with the Reds Monday.

But When Will the Centerfield Bleachers Be Renamed "Bernie's Bleachers' in Honor of The Biggest Home Run Hit on October 21, 1975?? :D

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