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(2-Fluoroamphetamine [2-FA]/Various Dosages & ROA) - A Truly Bright Amp Variation

Vaya

Bluelight Crew
Joined
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Messages
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Location
606-668 THz
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Dose: Repeated
MOA: Various
Set: Collected mindset. Excited to attempt experiments with a new compound so closely related to one I have already come to know and love.
Setting: Bundled up in layers of clothing in my living room in front of my computer; it is just past mid-November and the weather is cold, but I am warm and comfortable as I begin a series of trials with 2-FA making use of different dosages and routes of administration (ROA) to thoroughly gauge this chemical’s potential for utility and recreation.

My past experience with the universe of mind-altering substances is vast:
NSFW:
***Psychedelics, Research Chemicals, Dissociatives***
>>Phenethylamine Psychedelics<<
1. 2C-B
2. 2C-B Fly
3. 2C-D
4. 2C-E
5. 2C-G
6. 2C-I
7. 2C-P
8. 2C-T-7
9. 2C-T-21
10. DOB
11. LSD
12. LSA
13. Mescaline
14. Proscaline
15. Methylallylescaline
16. 25B-NBOMe
>>Tryptamine Psychedelics<<
1. 4-AcO-DiPT
2. 4-HO-DMT
3. 4-AcO-DMT
4. 5-MeO-DMT
5. 5-MeO-MiPT
6. 5-MeO-MAPB
7. DiPT
8. 4-AcO-DiPT
9. a-MT (alpha-methyltryptamine)
10. N, N DMT
11. Ayahuasca (N, N DMT + Harmaline)
12. Psilocybin
13. Psilocin
14. Bufotenin ("Toad venom;" 5-HO-DMT)
>>Psychedelic Amphetamines<<
1. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)
2. Methylenedioxyethylamphetamine (MDEA)
3. Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA)
4. 5,6-Methylenedioxy-2-aminoindane (MDAI)
5. bk-MDMA (Methylone)
6. bk-MBDB (Butylone)
7. 5-APB
8. 5-MAPB
9. 6-APB
10. 6-APDB
>>Research Chemical Stimulants<<
1. 4-Methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone)
2. Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV)
3. Naphyrone
4. 2-Diphenylmethylpiperidine (2-DPMP)
5. Ethylphenidate Hydrochloride
6. Methiopriopamine (MPA)
7. Buphedrone
8. Pentadrone
9. 4-MAR (4-Methylminorax)
10. 4-Methyl-Pentadrone (4-MPA)
11. 4-Fluoroamphetamine (4-FA)
12.) 4-Ethylmethcathinone (4-EMC)
13.) 4-Methylethcathinone (4-MEC)
14.) 2-Fluoroamphetamine (2-FA)

>>Dissociatives<<
1. Phencyclidine (PCP)
2. Nitrous Oxide
3. Methoxetamine (MXE)
4. Ketamine
5. Dextromethoprhan (DXM)
6. Dextrorphan (DXO)
7. Tiletamine/Teletamine:Zolazepam (Telazol)

***Stimulants (Legal, Prescription)***
>>Stimulants<<
1. Cocaine Hydrochloride (Powder Cocaine)
2. Cocaine Bicarbonate ("Crack" Cocaine Freebase)
3. Racemic Amphetamine Salts (Adderall)
4. Dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine)
5. Lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse)
6. Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
7. Dextromethylphenidate (Focalin)
8. Dextromethamphetamine (Desoxyn)
9. Racemic Methamphetamine ("Street Meth")
10. Nicotine
11. Caffeine
12. Propylhexedrine
13. Amyl Nitrate
>>Piperazines<<
1. BZP
2. TFMPP
***Cannabinoids (Natural & Synthetic)***
1. Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
2. Dronabinol (Marinol)
3. Cannabidiol (CBD)
4. Cannabinol (CBN)
5. JWH-018
6. JWH-073
7. JWH-200
8. JWH-250
9. CP-55,940
10. CP-47,497
11. 1,1-dimethyloctyl (C8) [Homologue of CP-47,497]
12. Cannabicyclohexanol

***"Muscle Relaxants, Benzodiazepines, Quaaludes, Barbiturates, Opiates/Opioids & Miscellaneous***

>>Ethanol<<
1. Ethyl Alcohol
>>Muscle Relaxants<<
1. Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril)
2. Carisoprodol (Soma)
3. Methocarbamol (Robaxin)
4. Metaxalone (Skelaxin)
>>Quaaludes<<
1. Methaqualone (Quaalude)
2. Etaqualone (Ethinazone)

>>Barbiturates<<
1. Phenobarbital (Solfoton)
2. Amobarbital (Amytal)
3. Secobarbital sodium (Seconal)
4. Butalbital (Fioricet)

>>Non-Benzodiazepine Sedative-Hypnotics<<
1. Zolpidem tartrate (Ambien)
2. Zopiclone (Imovane)
3. Eszopiclone (Lunesta)
4. Zaleplon (Sonata)
5. Zolazepam (Flupyrazapon)

>>Benzodiazepines<<
1. Alprazolam (Xanax)
2. Midazolam (Versed)
3. Clonazepam (Klonopin)
4. Triazolam (Halcion)
5. Temazepam (Restoril)
6. Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)
7. Diazepam (Valium)
8. Lorazepam (Ativan)
9. Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol)
10. Phenazepam
11. Etilaam (Etizolam)

>>Opiates & Opioids<<
1. Buprenorphine (Suboxone, Subutex)
2. Naloxone
3. Naltrexone
4. Thebaine
5. Codeine (Tylenol #3+4, Cough Syrup w/ Promethazine)
6. Dihydrocodeine (DHC)
7. Fentanyl (Duragesic, Actiq)
8. Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Cough Syrup)
9. Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
10. Oxycodone (Percocet, OxyFast, Roxicet, OxyContin)
11. Oxymorphone (Opana)
12. Morphine Sulfate (MS Contin)
13. Tramadol HCl
14. Propoxyphene (Darvocet)
15. Diacetyl Morphine (Heroin)
16. Opium Latex
17. Papaver somniferum Pod Brew (morphine/codeine/thebaine tincture)
18. Methadone
19. AH-7291
20. MT-45
21. Tapentadol (Nucynta)
>>Antihistamines<<
1. Diphenhydramine (Benadryl)
2. Hydroxyzine (Vistaril)
3. Meclizine (Dramamine)
4. Promethazine (Phenergan)
>>Beta-Blockers<<
1. Atenolol (Senomin)
2. Propranolol (Inderal)

>>Alpha-Agonist Hypotensive Agents<<
1. Clonodine

***Nootropics, Supplements, BioChemicals &
Ethnobotanicals***
>>Nootropics<<r
1. Carphedon/Phenotropil (Phenylpiracetam)
2. Piracetam
3. Phenibut HCl
4. Hordenine HCl
5. Inositol
6. Baicalin
7. Oleamide
8. Stearamide
9. Synephrine HCl
10. Ephedrine HCl
11. Honokiol
12. Magnolol
13. Noopept [GVS-111] (N-phenylacetyl-L-prolylglycine ethyl ester)
14. Sunifiram [DM-235] (1-benzoyl-4-propanoylpiperazine)
15. Coluracetam (N-2,3-dimethylone-5,6,7,8-tetrahydrofluro[2,3-b]quinolin-4-yl)-2-(2-oxopyrrolidin-1yl)acetamide)
14. Taurine
15. L-Theanine
>>Supplements<<
1. 5-HTP
2. GABA
3. Levodopa
4. L-Tyrosine
5. DHEA
6. L-Phenylalanine
7. Choline Bitartrate
8. N-Acetyl-L-Choline
>>BioChemicals<<
1. D-Cycloserine
2. Tianeptine Sodium
3. Amfonelic Acid
4. Indeloxazine
>>Ethnobotanicals<<
1. Kava Kava
2. California Poppy
3. Wild Dagga (Leonitis leonurus)
4. Damiana
5. Sinuichi
6. Kratom
7. Corydalis
8. Blue Lotus/Blue Lilly
9. Valerian Root
10. Chamomile
11. Hibiscus
12. Witch Hazel
13. Licorice Root
14. Yerba Mate (Ilex paraguariensis)
15. Yopo
16. Dream Herb
17. Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum)
18. Yohimbe Bark Extract
19. Magnolia Bark Extract
20. Babchi
21. Khat (Catha edulis)
22. Inebriating Mint
23. Datura Inoxia
24. Sinicuichi/Elixir of the Sun
25. Dream Herb
26. Thujone (from Wormwood in Absinthe)
27. Belladonna (Nightshade)
28. Salvinorin-A (Salvia divinorum)
29. Muscimol (Amanitas Muscaria Mushrooms)
30. Corydalis Yanhusuo
31. 7-hydroxymitragine (7-OHM)
32. Tetrahydropalmatine (THP)
33. Maca Extract

***Psychiatric Medications by Class***
>>Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors<<
1. Prozac
2. Paxil
3. Celexa
4. Zoloft
5. Lexapro
>>Selective Serotonin/Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors<<
1. Effexor
2. Cymbalta
>>Atypical Antipsychotics<<
1. Geodon
2. Abilify
3. Risperdal
4. Seroquel
>>Neuroleptics<<
1. Topamax
2. Trileptal
3. Lamictal
4. Neurontin
5. Lyrica
6. Depakote (Valproic acid)
>>Mood Stabilizers<<
1. Lithium
2. Thorazine
>>Miscellaneous<<
1. Buspar (Buspirone HCl)
2. Wellbutrin (NDRI)


2-Fluoroamphetamine (2-FA) was a logical next step for me to attempt after coming to know and appreciate the nuances of its chemical cousin 4-Fluoroamphetamine (4-FA) - and, boy, what the adjusted placement of a molecule can do for the effect profile of a CNS stimulant! To be more specific, 2-FA does not vary significantly from 4-FA on a structural level, but has its own distinct personality when the subjective experience in vivo is considered.

2-FA, like 4-FA, is a very white powder with something of an acrid citrus smell. It is a caustic compound to the membranes of the human body, and creates a significant burning sensation coupled with irritation when it is exposed to the body’s mucous membranes via insufflation. One 15mg inhalation per nostril resulted in a bloody nose, which I found surprising. Many tout 2-FA to be less caustic than 4-FA; I have never snorted 4-FA, and if so many voices are correct, I’m well glad that I didn’t!!

T+0:00 I weigh out 30mg of 2-FA divided into two small piles of 15mg each and insufflate each pile - one per nostril. After two seconds I detect the rise of a sharp stinging sensation that causes my eyes to squint and water. I note that the duration of the burning sensation is only around ten seconds and, compared to substances such as the family of 2C-x compounds, 2-FA’s burn is minor and easy to deal with.

T+0:02 I feel as though I am coming up already. I quickly and smoothly find myself more alert, content, driven and clear-headed than prior to the experiment. 2-FA appears, at first glance, to be much more forgiving on the body with respect to its lack of PNS stimulation. In many ways, this feels quite cleaner than dextroamphetamine.

One thing that I make sure to note immediately is the lack of strong 5-HT antagonism that characterizes 4-FA so well. 2-FA is pure stimulant, and descriptive words for its unique feeling that come into mind are ‘clean,’ ‘clear,’ ‘bright,’ ‘crisp,’ ‘lucid’ and ‘consistent.’ Gone is the sensation that makes 4-FA comparable, in the slightest sense, to an entactogen. 2-FA is a no-nonsense stimulant that I find allows me to focus and engage on certain tasks with absolutely no input effort required. In fact, most anything I point my attention to becomes too fascinating to not engulf myself in. As such, 2-FA could prove to be one of the most ideal study aids I have ever come across.

T+0:50 I have had an incredibly productive past hour; the motivation 2-FA produces seems intrinsic and not drug-induced. It feels natural and clean-cut. Not forced in any way. Gone, too, is the tendency I experience on dextroamphetamine whereby I am stimulated but tole easily distractible to accomplish much of anything. On 2-FA, the effort was effortless.

T+1:15 I note at this point that the effects have hit their ceiling and may even be decreasing by this point. Not terribly bad for such a small, insufflated dose. I’m thoroughly impressed. 2-FA presents me with no problem on its come-down: There are no physical effects that would cluster together to form something of a “crashing” sensation. Instead, there is simply a gentle and consistent downward slope in the intensity of the bright energy I’ve been riding for the past hour or so. 2-FA’s comedown may even be more gentle than that of Desoxyn’s (dextro-methamphetamine). I find this remarkable and impressive.

T+1:30 Re-dosing easily brings me back to where I was in the beginning. The effects appear to be additive, as I feel *more* of what I felt earlier, rather than a simple prolonging of the original effects’ duration. Though euphoria isn’t a mainstay staple of the 2-FA experience so far, with the redoes, I am beginning to detect hints at the compound’s potential for producing a nice euphoria at the appropriate dosage.

T+2:00 Remarkably, I am still not suffering from annoying physical difficulties I associate with amphetamines like nystagmus, bruxism, excessive sweating, tremors, elevated BP and dehydration. My pulse has risen since the beginning of the experiment modestly; from 72 to 80. Nothing for me to feel concerned about.

T+2:10 I bow my nose. Uh-oh. Chunks of mucous and a good amount of blood appear in the tissue in m hands. Although I have no pain inside my nostrils, I immediately do not like looking at this. I want to pursue 2-FA’s capacity for producing stimulant euphoria, but I do not want to continue exposing my nasal cavity to this abuse.

T+2:45 At this point, I decide to prepare 20mg of 2-FA for intravenous injection. If it is anything like 4-FA, it should not be caustic to the vein in the same way it is to the mucous membranes. The lack of PNS stimulation encourages me at this stage, too, but I know that I am entering largely uncharted waters here. I have yet to read of another experience report involving injected 2-FA, and thus I take every precaution to ensure that my method is sterile and safely premeditated as it can be.

T+3:20 With 20mg 2-FA dissolved in 0.7 CC of bacteriostatic water, I prepare the injection site with 91% isopropyl rubbing alcohol and administer the injection using a 30 gauge needle. After a brief pause of only five seconds or so, a clarity in my consciousness unlike that I have ever experienced before washes over my mind’s freshened slate. At first, that clarity of mind is all that I can really make note of, but then - sure enough - rising from within me is an intrinsically beautiful form of euphoria in so many ways different from that of any other amphetamine or amphetamine derivative I have experienced before. It isn’t a superficial (albeit intense) euphoria like that from cocaine, and neither is ti that particular methamphetamine-induced euphoria. Neither does it mimic the euphoria from entactogenic drugs like MDMA, 5-APB, etc. 2-FA has a euphoria all its own, which is neither overwhelming nor superficial.

I am supremely content with whatever it so happens I am doing at the time (at this specific time, I was reading scholarly articles about the 5-HT binding affinities of some of the more well-studied phenethylamines of past).

T+4:00 As might be expected, 2-FA’s duration (already a short one at that) is even shorter when administered intravenously, and I feel myself returning close to baseline by the forty minute mark. The urge to redoes does not pester me as with other amphetamine derivatives, and I do so more for the purposes of extending the scope of this experience report rather than out of a compulsion to feel good as quickly as I can. This underscores a fact that is clear in my mind - namely, that 2-FA’s liability for addiction (characterized by compulsive re-dosing behavior) is dramatically less than can be seen with the classical meth/amphetamines despite its shorter duration of action, which is an intriguing characteristic worth revisiting later.

T+4:15 I re-dose intravenously, this time with 35mg. I feel safe doing so; this compound appears to be so much more forgiving on my body and mind than most other unexplored stimulant derivatives these days. Once more, I am met with a gush of clean stimulation, followed by a stronger euphoria than before. 2-FA, I conclude, is a very interesting and enjoyable stimulant that differs significantly in subjective experience from all others, including (and almost most especially) 4-FA. At times, 2-FA’s cleanliness was reminiscent of dextroamphetamine’s, but always it was more clean than that and promotes a higher degree of successful focus. A real winner, all-around.

I wonder what 3-FA’s duration looks like. 4-FA has a notoriously long duration of action (something akin to ten hours, most definitely) and can feel more taxing due to its more prevalent stimulation of the serotonergic system. 2-FA has a very short duration of action no matter how it is ingested, and yet lacks the compulsion that makes the use of other amphetamines so problematic for others. In terms of euphoria, one may well find that he or she needs to work at it in order to achieve euphoria from 2-FA. Rest assured, however, there is euphoria to be found, and of a character all 2-FA’s own.

2-Fluoroamphetamine represents a welcome departure from 4-FA’s side effect profile and provides a promising outlet for those seeking a good, honest CNS stimulatory boost whilst avoiding the pitfalls that befall the use of other stimulant drugs. My only wish would be that the chemical were less caustic to absorptive body tissues, and that it lasted a bit longer.

All around, however, this is a highly viable tool for productivity,’s sake. It would, with ease, be a welcome addition to a night out (or in) where some stimulation with lesser consequences would heighten the experience.

Although I enjoyed 4-FA a lot, I do not think I will be revisiting it. 2-FA, on the other hand, I would most certainly like to revisit again. I would probably consume it orally next time to gauge the longest-possible duration of action I can achieve with it. But really, a real winner in my book with a completely unique expression of clarity and brightness all its own.

~ Vaya
 
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Xanax 1mg soma hydromorphone 4mg effexor 75

Im new to site with serious injuries from neck to pelvis, 7 disk hern , fract vertebaes, anxiety. I see a pain management doc and psychiatrist, my pain doc has me on hydromorphone 4mg 4 times day , soma 3 a day lyrica 75mg one a day, my psch has me on 2 1mg xanax for attacks and valium 2 a day 5mg and effexor 75 mg once a day. I told pain doc about psyc meds, but curious are these all safe together, ive read before somewhere these are bad combos,so if only been taking everything but effexor. Is it ok with lyrica if i take one lyrica in morn and effexor in evening. Can someone please help, i dont abuse these meds or drink or do recreational drugs, just dont wanna bad mix or die
 
Great report Vaya. :) Makes me want to try 2-FA. I have a sample of 2-FMA coming my way, which I hear somewhat similar things about.
 
Does 2-FMA seem to cause bad comedowns or hangovers? I heard it feels pretty gentle, which is one of the reasons I picked up a sample.
 
i found 2fa to be the most gentle in comedowns of the FAs, followed by 2fma, then 4fa/4fma, then 3fa (which i found the worst, but with only limited experience mind)

personally i prefer 2fma to 2fa..
but why is it that you say its worse off in regards to neurotoxicity?
 
In the absence of more specific data, we can assume it to have properties similar to meth. 2fma is as lipophilic as meth, so it should be just as toxic to the extent that meth derives its toxicity from its high lipophilicity....but this is all rather speculative.

ebola
 
Awesome report Vaya. I have been using MDPV/A-pvp for the past few years but have found help from adderall in the past and I am looking to replace my constant use with something different. I have yet to try the FA series at all, but I would love to start with 2-FMA.

I'm glad you enjoyed your experience and handled it safely. I hope you continue to do so.

-dp
 
Does 2-FMA seem to cause bad comedowns or hangovers? I heard it feels pretty gentle, which is one of the reasons I picked up a sample.

I usually suffer badly with comedowns, and I found 2-FMA`s comedown really gentle. MUCH easier than the comedown of 4-FA!
With 2-FMA I just felt tired after the effects worn off. I associated that this is because it doesn't give you such a high peak of euphoria (if any), so you don't feel so bad in the way down from the peak, differently from 4-FA.
 
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Yeah I also found its comedown gentle, I tried it on Sunday. It wasn't anything spectacular but it felt nice and was very functional, as people are saying. I just had a sample, which I dosed initially and redosed a couple of times to see where it would go. During the beginning I would have gone online and ordered a gram, except I was out in nature climbing a waterfall, and by the time I got home I decided "meh... not worth the money at this point". If I needed a functional stim to help me with focus or work, I'd probably go to 2-FMA (or try 2-FA first and see which I liked better). But I don't, so I won't.
 
Wow, would have been nice... then again maybe not as I probably would have ordered a gram. I gotta be careful with euphoriants, I get pretty compulsive with them especially when I'm bored.
 
Wow, would have been nice...

It...totally is, 'too nice'. . .

then again maybe not as I probably would have ordered a gram.

I once binged when I had in my possession a gram of 2fma, over 100 mg / day, 4 days in a row, 4-5 hours of sleep / night. I freaked out, thought I might go insane soon, wanted to stop the binge, handed the remainder of the gram over to a friend (actually as a gift...I was so freaked out, I didn't want the rest back / was grateful for my friend's help). Yeah, it can be fun. . .

ebola
 
Why did you freak out? Considering you were sleeping every night id say you were faring well, no?
 
My one brush with meth psychosis was 5 days in a row, with about that much sleep. It was very mild psychosis (mishearing conversations, knowing I'm mishearing them), but still warranted self-administration of an anti-psychotic. I endeavored not to get in that type of situation again.

ebola
 
See, I also found 2fma highly euphoric, on par with dexedrine or meth. . .

ebola

Suprised to hear that. For me 2-FMA is the most dysphoric stimulant out there. I get anti-social instantly and cannot laugh/smile during the effects window. It is pretty functional but I am always glad, that it wears off. There was one guy, that got his 2-FMA tested and it turned out to be 3-FMA. It was mentioned in that thread : http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/616472-(3-FMA)-3-Fluoromethamphetamine . Are you sure, that your compound was 2-FMA ? On the other hand, perhaps your tolerance was just very low and you're living healthier than the average dude.
 
not everyone finds stimulats to be euphoric, just like some dont enjoy benzos that much.

if indeed it is the supposed chemical, i think it (the effects) has more to do with baseline brain chemistry and interpersonal variability that healthy living....
 
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