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Heroin 2 bundles of dope sniff cause od?
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To properly assertain this question, we'll need more information. It's all relative to your habit. For someone who is opiate naive, 2 bundles would be extremely risky, and if it's fire, I'd venture to say that an OD would be more than likely, even snorting it. That's a lot of dope.
Also, it depends on the quality of the dope you're getting. But that is really hard to quantify since it's not regulated, and purity typically ranges anywhere from 5-55%.
Personally, I wouldn't risk it. Nothing wrong with doing a little bit and seeing how you feel, and then doing more if you're not completely gourded out of your mind.
As someone who is opiate tolerant, I wouldn't do anything over a gram a day/ bundle a day, and that's pushing it bc it starts to get expensive when you're doing that much.
Heroin will bite you in the ass if you're not careful, and eventually even if you are careful.
Also, it depends on the quality of the dope you're getting. But that is really hard to quantify since it's not regulated, and purity typically ranges anywhere from 5-55%.
Personally, I wouldn't risk it. Nothing wrong with doing a little bit and seeing how you feel, and then doing more if you're not completely gourded out of your mind.
As someone who is opiate tolerant, I wouldn't do anything over a gram a day/ bundle a day, and that's pushing it bc it starts to get expensive when you're doing that much.
Heroin will bite you in the ass if you're not careful, and eventually even if you are careful.
Jesusgreen
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Most Heroin on the streets (if we look at the US, UK, and most of Europe at least - not so sure about Australia and some other places) is between 5 and 25% pure depending on how good a hook up you got and how close to the source (the cook or the importer) you are.
Usually it's in the 10-15% range, real bad stuff is anything lower and the stuff touted as "awesome" is often only 25% pure, which is still a step above the usual.
So it's really hard to work out how much would cause an overdose in any given individual. For one, everyone is very different - even if we took 1000 people who'd never tried opiates, they'd all overdose at different doses - people metabolise drugs in different ways, some people are sensitive or allergic to certain drugs, some people have a teeny bit of a natural tolerances before trying something etc.
Now if you give us some more information we can at least tell you if there's a *good chance* your dosing is safe.
Are you a regular user of Heroin (assuming Heroin is what you meant by dope, please clarify if it wasn't)? How much do you use currently on average per day? Have you ever tested your Heroin for purity - if not can you at least say roughly how good it feels compared to the average stuff you've had, better or worse, or about average?
Even with all that info we won't be able to tell you for sure if a dose will be an overdose or not but we can guide you towards what'd be a safe dose of *pure heroin* and then what'd likely be the equivalent in street heroin.
Honestly though my advice is to simply start small with every bag. If you're in the US and have Heroin in salt form (i.e. snortable and shootable without having to add anything other than water if you're shooting) then I recommend starting off by snorting a small line of the stuff from any new bag. At first this won't tell you much if you're an addict since that small line will probably be fairly weak with every bag - but soon you'll be able to tell which bags are stronger and which are weaker just by that tester dose.
You can also IV (shoot) your tester dose, but given that IV is more potent, it means if you do end up with something *way too strong* and even your tester dose is too much (this really can happen, especially for example if your Heroin is cut with Fentanyl or something similar) then you'll go into overdose too quickly to be helped. With snorting it you often have time to realise "fuck this is way too strong" and call an ambulance to your location, it's saved lives before.
To answer your "Can 2 bundles of dope cause an OD?" [2 bundles = ~2 grams/20 point bags for anyone unaware] the answer is simply yes, if it's really pure dope and you don't have a tolerance through the roof: Then yes. If you're a first time user or have quite low tolerance: Then yes. If it turns out to be cut with something much stronger than Heroin like Fentanyl: Then yes. If the two bundles are spot on 2 grams or above then even if that's only 5% pure that's 100mg of Heroin, and if it's 25-30% pure then you could have as much as 500-600mg which is a huge amount unless you have a very very very high tolerance, so I wouldn't be shooting anywhere close to that much unless you've worked up there over a long time and have taken appropriate tester doses of the batch first.
Now as for whether or not you specifically would OD is another matter, and like I said while we can help you a little better if you give us more information about yourself and your relationship with Heroin, tester doses are a must if you want to avoid overdoses and if this is why you came to ask this question.
For what it's worth, for a non tolerant user (i.e. someone trying Heroin for the first time ever or the first time after a break, or who's only used opiates a few times and doesn't use them regularly) then as little as 10 milligrams can be a high dose, even snorted. That's just one lower quality bag, and if they were IVing then just half that would be a decent dose, which is a tiny amount so without knowing the purity you have to be very careful and work your way up if you're a new user.
My own (only) Heroin experience:
If you came to ask the question for the complete opposite reason, i.e. you're suicidal and think Heroin will be a good way to go out, then please reconsider. I was suicidal in my past and thought I had good reason but now years later I'm so happy and I can't even comprehend just how much happiness and fun I'd have missed out on and how different my life is now compared to back then. Back then my life wasn't bad but I couldn't get enjoyment out of it and felt the lowest of the low about everything, now even though my life is far far far from perfect I absolutely love it. :D
If you're suicidal, check out the Suicide Support Thread in our forum The Dark Side that deals with the more depressing sadder sides of life and helps people out with them.
If you're trying to stay safe then you're in the right place and just give us some more info and we'll do our best
I encourage anyone else who reads my post to chime in with their own tips on ensuring they don't overdose with a new batch of Heroin since I'm less familiar with Heroin than with other opiates anyway.*
*(PS that doesn't mean my advice about tester doses and such is bad, I've been reading and learning about opiates for like 6-7 years now and I've also been addicted to multiple opiates over a few different times, so I know a lot about them, Heroin included, I'm just no expert about Heroin tolerance specifically.)
Usually it's in the 10-15% range, real bad stuff is anything lower and the stuff touted as "awesome" is often only 25% pure, which is still a step above the usual.
So it's really hard to work out how much would cause an overdose in any given individual. For one, everyone is very different - even if we took 1000 people who'd never tried opiates, they'd all overdose at different doses - people metabolise drugs in different ways, some people are sensitive or allergic to certain drugs, some people have a teeny bit of a natural tolerances before trying something etc.
Now if you give us some more information we can at least tell you if there's a *good chance* your dosing is safe.
Are you a regular user of Heroin (assuming Heroin is what you meant by dope, please clarify if it wasn't)? How much do you use currently on average per day? Have you ever tested your Heroin for purity - if not can you at least say roughly how good it feels compared to the average stuff you've had, better or worse, or about average?
Even with all that info we won't be able to tell you for sure if a dose will be an overdose or not but we can guide you towards what'd be a safe dose of *pure heroin* and then what'd likely be the equivalent in street heroin.
Honestly though my advice is to simply start small with every bag. If you're in the US and have Heroin in salt form (i.e. snortable and shootable without having to add anything other than water if you're shooting) then I recommend starting off by snorting a small line of the stuff from any new bag. At first this won't tell you much if you're an addict since that small line will probably be fairly weak with every bag - but soon you'll be able to tell which bags are stronger and which are weaker just by that tester dose.
You can also IV (shoot) your tester dose, but given that IV is more potent, it means if you do end up with something *way too strong* and even your tester dose is too much (this really can happen, especially for example if your Heroin is cut with Fentanyl or something similar) then you'll go into overdose too quickly to be helped. With snorting it you often have time to realise "fuck this is way too strong" and call an ambulance to your location, it's saved lives before.
To answer your "Can 2 bundles of dope cause an OD?" [2 bundles = ~2 grams/20 point bags for anyone unaware] the answer is simply yes, if it's really pure dope and you don't have a tolerance through the roof: Then yes. If you're a first time user or have quite low tolerance: Then yes. If it turns out to be cut with something much stronger than Heroin like Fentanyl: Then yes. If the two bundles are spot on 2 grams or above then even if that's only 5% pure that's 100mg of Heroin, and if it's 25-30% pure then you could have as much as 500-600mg which is a huge amount unless you have a very very very high tolerance, so I wouldn't be shooting anywhere close to that much unless you've worked up there over a long time and have taken appropriate tester doses of the batch first.
Now as for whether or not you specifically would OD is another matter, and like I said while we can help you a little better if you give us more information about yourself and your relationship with Heroin, tester doses are a must if you want to avoid overdoses and if this is why you came to ask this question.
For what it's worth, for a non tolerant user (i.e. someone trying Heroin for the first time ever or the first time after a break, or who's only used opiates a few times and doesn't use them regularly) then as little as 10 milligrams can be a high dose, even snorted. That's just one lower quality bag, and if they were IVing then just half that would be a decent dose, which is a tiny amount so without knowing the purity you have to be very careful and work your way up if you're a new user.
My own (only) Heroin experience:
If you came to ask the question for the complete opposite reason, i.e. you're suicidal and think Heroin will be a good way to go out, then please reconsider. I was suicidal in my past and thought I had good reason but now years later I'm so happy and I can't even comprehend just how much happiness and fun I'd have missed out on and how different my life is now compared to back then. Back then my life wasn't bad but I couldn't get enjoyment out of it and felt the lowest of the low about everything, now even though my life is far far far from perfect I absolutely love it. :D
If you're suicidal, check out the Suicide Support Thread in our forum The Dark Side that deals with the more depressing sadder sides of life and helps people out with them.
If you're trying to stay safe then you're in the right place and just give us some more info and we'll do our best
I encourage anyone else who reads my post to chime in with their own tips on ensuring they don't overdose with a new batch of Heroin since I'm less familiar with Heroin than with other opiates anyway.**(PS that doesn't mean my advice about tester doses and such is bad, I've been reading and learning about opiates for like 6-7 years now and I've also been addicted to multiple opiates over a few different times, so I know a lot about them, Heroin included, I'm just no expert about Heroin tolerance specifically.)
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sekio
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JG has answered this so well that I'm gonna close it, PM a mod if you have any questions.
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