1st time klonopin, soma, and/or hydro

[AlbusDumbledore]

All, 1st post, quick advice question.
my husband has periodically taken Soma and periodically enjoyed some hydros with Soma. While this is extremely rare, it's not unheard of.
My husband and I would like to try going on a journey (enjoyable, finishing off with blissfully extended sleep) together and are trying to formulate the most effective route possible for said journey.
I (f/22) am roughly 5'3" 105lbs, while my husband is 6'2" & 215lbs.
I have ZERO tolerance (never taken anything but some hydro after surgery b4). My husband ran a freaking full marathon while taking SOMA & hydro (show off) just to show he could (btw, both were prescribed for training injuries sustained while preparing for that marathon.
So, in the cupboard is a qty of 20- .5mg kpins, 8- 350-Soma, an array of hydrocodone 7.5 & 10's.
Obviously, with little-no experience/tolerance, I want to be safe, and yes, I read all over about mixing dangers... but a) I figure it won't take too much to really take that initial trip then vacation; b) others (completely trusted & sober) well be around to ensure things don't go too far (and to make fun of me later, I'm sure).
So, advice for me & maybe my husband?
I also hve a typical stocked bar, but thought that might just be a bit too far... regulated amounts are easier to judge.

 

[wezface]

Hi and welcome! First of all, we don't use SWIM here, so I went ahead and edited that out of your post. We all know you're talking about you and it really does nil to protect you legally anyway.

On to your question: It really depends on what you like and what you're trying to accomplish. We can't specifically tell you what to take as per the Bluelight User Agreement[\url]". What I can do for you is let you know how each of those will probably make you feel and a safe dosage and let you use that information to make an informed decision for yourself.

SOMAs are muscle relaxers, so this is primarily what they do, but it doesn't necessarily feel like you would expect it too. Your arms and legs will sort of turn to jelly, you will probably get very drowsy, and you may not even last long before passing out. I rarely take muscle relaxers for their intended indications but often take them for sleep. The best word to describe the feeling, IMO, is "shmoogly" (and yes that's a real word because I said so damnit).

Klonopin (clonazepam) is a benzodiazepine, which means it works to calm the central nervous system. Some of these effects are great: reduced anxiety, mellow mood, slightly drunk feeling. Some not so much: memory loss and blackouts, seriously compromised inhibitions, and clumsy motor skills to name a few. While very few people find benzos purely recreational on their own, for many of those who suffer from anxiety disorders, the relief of not feeling debilitating anxiety is comparable to a "high," much like instantaneous relief from extreme pain such as passing a kidney stone (one of the best highs I've ever had).

You've been on the hydrocodone, so you know what that's like, but if you were taking it as prescribed it's going to be a different experience. I have been using IV narcotics for ten years and to be perfectly honest hydrocodone is still my favorite opiate. I love the warm blanket of contentedness it brings that's unparalleled by anything else.

I'll tell you what the therapeutic dosages are and then we can discuss mixing.

A therapeutic dose for the SOMA is 250-300mg. This means if you're taking it as prescribed for muscle spasms.
Clonazepam usually runs about 1-6mg/day and sometimes a bit higher depending.
Hydrocodone's max recommended dose is 20mg 4x daily not to exceed 80mg/day.

Now, with the mixing you're planning on, therapeutic dosages may be enough or even perhaps too much depending on how much you take of what, when, and other factors largely out of your control. All three of these medications are CNS depressants, which means mixing any or all of them increases the risk of respiratory distress or complications from it exponentially. And really, how safe your journey will be will depend on being really smart about how much of what you're mixing up.

Personally I would recommend going easiest on the benzos, for two reasons:

Memory loss often causes people to redoes without being aware of it or remembering it later, and while it's nearly impossible to overdose on benzos, you could be redosing other things it's easier to OD on. Also it can take you down and into no-dream-land pretty quick, so if you're facing a situation where your vitals are already low, passing out is really the last thing you want to do next to taking more drugs.

Many people are prescribed muscle relaxers and narcotic pain medication together and, while they both depress the CNS, the chances of a deadly interaction (as long as you're being smart about it) are really pretty slim.
So use your best judgement, remember that you can always take more but never less, be safe and have fun

 

[whatson zo]

I would do the benzos separate from the hydros. They kill euphoria and its a waste unless your just wanting to feel a super mellow benzo like high then you can mix but know your limits and take it slow.

 

[wezface]

I think they ^ meant to say "separate", but I agree.

 

[whatson zo]

I think they ^ meant to say "separate", but I agree.

Goddamn spell check, my bad.

 

[AlbusDumbledore]

shmoogly

Shmoogly and "warm blanket of contentedness"... hilarious...
Replied earlier, but I don't see it, perhaps I did it wrong. I'll repost at the bottom instead of below your reply. Thanks!

 

[AlbusDumbledore]

shmoogly

Ok, thanks so far, all.
So, let new begin by saying thank you for the edit, it certainly reads easier w/o the stupid SWIM... regardless of it is or isn't me. I just started this and must've read it on an old thread our perhaps another site.
So, first list me say, I'm not much for most alcohol as I hate the hangovers. I also don't do wine b/c of the usual sulfa content (raging headache).
I'm truly tired of being the designated sober one, this is my party and I just wanna relax and be part of the festivities, as I'm usually pretty reserved. So, after reading your reply, wezface, I'm a little taken back at the "memory loss", which prompted more internet research and k-pins are sometimes now being called the new rohypnol? Holy cow, now I'm really confused at some of the other threads where people are taking ridiculous amounts!
I have from time to time dealt with disrupted sleep from undiagnosed/untreated PTSD from Afghanistan (army) w/o help from usual methods, so to be able to, when ready, also sleep like Rip Van Winkle, sounds nice, and if that part works then perhaps it'll convince me to see a Dr about it... but anyway, I obviously don't want to go too far.
To address a few things you said,
1) CNS depression, I don't think I'll be pounding this stuff like an experienced person, the plan is to take easy to get me up to the mic for karaoke (never would do sober), laugh, chill, then eventually sleep the sleep of ages.
2) CNS depression, my best friend is a respiratory therapist. She's the trusted/responsible friend I mentioned. She has a few glasses of wine and then stops as that's all she EVER needs. Yes, she expressed a little concern initially to this little plan, but said 65% plus of medical personnel take these things recreationally, so, she's used to it. =)

My thoughts, since I'm a total newbie... are shaping up to something like this:
1mg (2x .5mg) k-pins, then once they kick in (anxiety gone),
1- 7.5 hydro and a Red Bull or 5hr energy to help fight any fatigue that may come with it... then enjoy the evening, (hopefully) get the nerve to sing karaoke... As the night moves on and it's time to wrap up the evening, then take
1-2 350mg Soma, to relax, chill, and rest.

I just learned the word "potentiate" (sp?), and I am hoping 1 hydro will do the trick... after all, like I said, 5'3", 105lbs and inexperienced.

I WAS thinking of starting the evening with 2mg K-pins, b/c I wanted to really "feel it", but if it will straight knock me out and if there's a potential of memory gaps/loss, then THAT's obviously NOT my goal.

So, if any of you experienced individuals think that most likely 2mg will totally put me out, but .5 or 1mg would be better for a good the evening, then great...
Basically, the 3 options initially listed were just that- options... Not a plan of action necessarily.

Suggestions / Advice (within the confines of the User Agreement)?

1, 2, or even 3 in a particular order or at the same time. THANKS ALL!

 

[wezface]

Dude 1mg usually puts me out and I got 80 pounds on you

 

[AlbusDumbledore]

Wow, I guess I underestimated the potency of those things! I guess I just figured that if these were prescribed for a 13y.o at either .25 or .5mg, then 1mg would probably be about right for me.
THIS is exactly why I'm glad I decided to post and get the thoughts of you guys.
So, as you said, you can add but not take away, I just didn't want to fall into that trap of forgetting how much I've taken, but, I guess an easy fix probably would be just separate in those "weekly pill reminder/divider" devices.
So, I'm thinking 1 .5mg k-pin, wait a while and then 1 7.5 hydro, if not working a hoped, another .5 k-pin.
IF needed, a Soma to chill and eventually sleepy time... probably more intelligent?

 

[whatson zo]

It all depends on your body. The first time I tried xanax I did 2mg and felt normal (I think this is due to anxiety problems) I've taken 5mg before at one time and can still remember everything. Would I ever tell an inexperienced person to take that much? Hell no. I have seen people get wasted off just 1mg of xanax. Now drinking with it is a different story, I can seem normal on high doses of benzos and hydro's but drinking on hydro's kills the buzz and drinking on benzos can result with but aren't limited to... you waking up not remembering anything, not knowing where your at, sending text messages you can't even decipher to random people, calling random women off of fb you haven't even talked to before, losing items, leaving your car running, and anything else unappealing you can think of. Klonopin comes on slow so you can redose not realizing that it just hasn't kicked in yet then 30min later your gone. I learned my lesson a long time ago and respect substances now.

If I were you I would save the hydro for another day when you want to chill and listen to some music. Benzos absolutely kill opiate highs for benzo naive people, at least in my experiences. you won't even feel like you took a hydro besides extra drowsiness. I don't personally mess with somas because they are muscle relaxers and people that od on them tend to forget that your heart is a muscle. So I don't really have an opinion, but that all together is some major CNS depression for someone naive to all or some of those substances without a cross tolerance. I've also never had any good experiences partying on pks or benzos (mixed with or without alcohol) besides either feeling too relaxed to be there, or waking up with drool on myself. But everyone is different and the only way you can find out is if you try it.
P.S. if you are a smoker, smoking makes benzos less potent and hydro's somewhat more potent/enjoyable. Just a heads up

 

[Bi-Guy]

Personally I'd skip the booze and K-pins and go for the hydro/soma combo, they really complement eachother nicely. 30 mg of hydro + 1-2 somas should do the trick. Have fun and be safe.