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1mg Allergy test on LEGAL HIGHS

Brian.Badonde

Brian.Badonde

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Hi

I see on this forum people mention doing a 1mg allergy test when you order a new batch of a chemical.



Q1) Well what do you look out for specifically to know if its safe to do more?

Q2) i experienced heartburn type pain after my 1mg allergy test, but then again i get anxiety induced heartburn every now and again, how would i know if the heart pain was caused by the actual allergy test?

Q3) Would a 10mg Allergy test be ok?
 
Q1) if it's an allergy test, there should be no noticeable effects at all, beyond placebo. 1 mg is a good allergy test for most 2Cs or tryptamines. 5 mg is a good allergy test for the various novel entactogens.

Q2) See if it's repeatable.

Q3) Depends on the chemical. With methylone, sure. With Bromo-DragonFLY, a 10 mg "allergy test" would kill you.
 
Thanks very much for the tips.

Im going to do a 5mg allergy test and see how repeatable the effects are.
 
Q3) Depends on the chemical. With methylone, sure. With Bromo-DragonFLY, a 10 mg "allergy test" would kill you.
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And the catch is, you never know when some stupid vendor has mislabeled his product...
 
Yep, im having a mild-moderate allergic reaction from this chem.

Would I be ok to take an anti-histamine (loratidine) 30 minutes before taking my legal high to prevent the allergic reaction? Besides the small risk of drug interactions, should that be ok?
 
If you are having an allergic reaction to ANYTHING don't do more of it.

John Q. Fucking Christ
 
Can you describe your allergy symptoms precisely to me?

If you're allergic to something, pre-loading with an anti-histamine would help, but it's still a really bad idea to continue using the substance.

One really important consideration - each time you have an allergic reaction, it will be stronger than the previous reaction until it eventually becomes anaphylactic. This graph illustrates the principle nicely. Once you hit the maximal response, you'll need to preload with intravenous epinephrine, dimenhydrinate, and corticosteroids, or you'll end up in a ER where they'll administer these drugs to you while pumping your chest.

Edit: chest pains are not symptoms of an allergic reaction. Is that your only symptom?
 
Don't do any more whatever it is you're doing. A few dollars lost or a few days not spent high is not that big a deal, when the alternative could be that you end up dead.
 
raybeez said:
Can you describe your allergy symptoms precisely to me?

If you're allergic to something, pre-loading with an anti-histamine would help, but it's still a really bad idea to continue using the substance.

One really important consideration - each time you have an allergic reaction, it will be stronger than the previous reaction until it eventually becomes anaphylactic. This graph illustrates the principle nicely. Once you hit the maximal response, you'll need to preload with intravenous epinephrine, dimenhydrinate, and corticosteroids, or you'll end up in a ER where they'll administer these drugs to you while pumping your chest.

Edit: chest pains are not symptoms of an allergic reaction. Is that your only symptom?
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Symptoms from taking:
> Chest Pain A (like heartburn)
> Chest Pain B (like my heart feels like a rock)
> Palpitations (mild but annoying)
> No increase in heartrate
> Shortness of breath (felt a bit like i was drowning)
> Dull ache in right arm
> Tingling in right toe
> Very very very mild nausea + headache for around 20 minutes.

The symptoms seem to went away but i woke up this morning with the heartburn chest pain that didn't feel right. I tend to get this a lot the following morning after taking a lot of legal highs.

I assume it was allergic reaction and the histamine was causing all of those symptoms?

Not a clue tho


its been about 20 hours since i took that 1mg dose (i havent done the 5mg dose yet) but my heart still feels a bit like a 'rock' hard to explain, some very mild palpitations too.
 
atara said:
It's a toxic reaction, not an allergic reaction, and it's probably because it's not the drug you think it is.
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I've sent a PM to many bluelight members that have ordered the same chemical as me from the same vendor at the same time, and they have said they've had no problems. so i dunno if its toxic cus its only happening to me
 
Experiencing heartburn now on the lower right side of my heart (still havent taken anymore since that 1mg yesterday)
 
It sounds like your a hypochondriac, but it never hurts to be cautious. Do not continue using the chemical. The term allergy test is a bit of a misnomer, in all my years of reading drug forums and speaking with drug users, I could count the allergic reactions to stimulants and psychedelics I have seen on one hand. A more appropriate name is a bromo-dragonfly test, or simply a test for idiosyncratic reactions.

I remember one person who was allergic to LSD, one person who got hives from 4-AcO-DMT and thats pretty much it. With psychedelics its especially difficult to say that any physiological response is not a product of psychological stress, or who knows maybe the guy on LSD went prancing through a field of pollen. As a side not Andrew Weil has spoken publicly about how LSD cured his cat allergies.
 
mimac said:
Does anyone have any information on the incidence of allegric reaction to low molecular weight molecules such as phenylethylamines?
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Not PEAs, but close enough:

Mild allergic reactions (rash, hives) requiring visit to a family doctor:

The frequency of SSRI-induced cutaneous reactions has been published in review articles, and paroxetine product information reports maculopapular rash as an infrequent (1/100-1/1000) adverse reaction.

Spigset O. Adverse reactions of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Drug Saf 1999;20:277-87.

Serious allergic reactions requiring care of a specialist and/or hospitalization:

In a review of adverse cutaneous reactions to several psychotropic drugs, including SSRIs, fluoxetine was reported to cause photosensitivity, psoriasiform eruptions, and alopecia, and fluvoxamine was reported to cause toxic epidermal necrolysis, alopecia, and photo-sensitivity. Incidence of 1/10,000 to 1/100,000.

Kimyai-Asadi A, Harris JC, Nousari HC. Critical overview: adverse cutaneous reactions to psychotropic medications. J Clin Psychiatry 1999;60:714-25.

Critical reactions (life threatening):

Anaphylaxis, immune-mediated organ damage. 1/100,00 - 1/1,000,000, based on my knowledge of allergy and immunology :). Hard to get published data on the incidence of this since these events are quite rare, so most of what's out there are case reports.
 
Brian.Badonde said:
Symptoms from taking:
> Chest Pain A (like heartburn)
> Chest Pain B (like my heart feels like a rock)
> Palpitations (mild but annoying)
> No increase in heartrate
> Shortness of breath (felt a bit like i was drowning)
> Dull ache in right arm
> Tingling in right toe
> Very very very mild nausea + headache for around 20 minutes.

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None of these sound histamine or immune mediated.

Most likely:

Chest pain, palpitations and shortness of breath without an increase in heart rate, nausea, and referred dull pain to the arm suggests vasospasm of the cardiac arteries. Headache and tingling in right toe are consistent with this - vasoconstriction of the temporal artery and small vasculature of the big toe.

Less likely (unless you have asthma):

Primary problem is lung. Bronchoconstriction due to histamine is causing shortness of breath, leading to palpitations and chest pain. This SHOULD cause an increase in heart rate, but maybe for some reason it isn't in you. Also your other symptoms would have to be a coincidence.

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In medicine we always use occum's razor to approach these situations. If you have one single diagnosis that explains all the symptoms, and a second diagnosis that explains some but not all of the symptoms, the former is always correct.

If you press on your chest, does it feel tender (ie pressing harder makes it hurt more)? Is it a sharp pain that you can put your finger on? Or is it dull and you can't really tell where it's coming from?

Sharp pain suggests lung, dull pain suggests heart.

Please be safe with this substance and discontinue using it either way.
 
thanks raybeez!

But imho this is for medicines that have to be taken for a longer time and at greater doses than usual psychedelics. It would be interesting to see research on alergic reactions to mescaline as this is probably the most used psychedelic in terms of dose and frequency of use.

But generally allergy diagnosis is a bitch - you have at least four different types of "allergic reactions".

I'm on with hamhurricane on this one. We should stop calling it an allergy test as it doesnt really reflect reallity. It should be called an adverse reaction test.

If people think they have an allergy (but in fact it's some other reaction) they will be tempted to take antihistamines with maybe unforseen consequences.
 
mimac said:
thanks raybeez!

But imho this is for medicines that have to be taken for a longer time and at greater doses than usual psychedelics. It would be interesting to see research on alergic reactions to mescaline as this is probably the most used psychedelic in terms of dose and frequency of use.
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Most of those SSRI reactions happen within the first 1-7 days of taking the drug. Sometimes it takes the body a bit of time to "sensitize".

I'm on with hamhurricane on this one. We should stop calling it an allergy test as it doesnt really reflect reallity. It should be called an adverse reaction test.

If people think they have an allergy (but in fact it's some other reaction) they will be tempted to take antihistamines with maybe unforseen consequences.
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I agree with you 110% on that!

This is one of the best new harm reduction suggestions I've heard on here in a long time.
 
^^Agreed. All the benadryl in the world won't help if you eat a quarter gram of DOI because someone labeled it mephedrone.
 
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