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1990s pills vs 2012 pills

swedger77 said:
actaully i do have something to add:-

90s pills up to 98 were mostly all synthed from Saff and 130mg is a very sweetspot for many people.

I still occasionally get the odd pill nowadays that give me the strong empathy, loved up feeling. These super strong 200mg dutch pills even in halfs just lack that lovely hug everyone factor. The MDMA I have access to also lacks this quality. MDMA is not just MDMA and evey batch produces they same effects. The same way as meph has completely changed since the chinese stopped making it and the indian labs are using a different route to get to 4-mmc.
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Synthesized with safrole or PMK as the starting material makes no difference once the product is worked up. NONE AT ALL.
 
scureto1 said:
Synthesized with safrole or PMK as the starting material makes no difference once the product is worked up. NONE AT ALL.
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That may well be the case but something causes different batches of MDMA to have differing effects from each other and not just set and setting IMO.
 
So with all the clean pills about? Why do people see a difference in them.

You know like...I preferred the Defqons to Nintendos type thing. If they are both clean pills with similar dose. What's the difference?
 
scureto1 said:
Why does no one seem to make this claim with LSD, or amphetamine, or 2c-b, etc?
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people DO make this claim with 4-mmc aka mephedrone. Totally different product now it is made in India rather than China using a different synth route.
 
^^This is true. HOWEVER, I'm going to play devils advocate here and say that whilst I do believe that the quality of synth has an impact on the experience to a degree (for example - MK's vs Green Androids), the starting material (PMK or saff) makes no difference to the end product, as (to quote Folley), MDMA is MDMA.....I think this whole 90's talk is to do with MDEA and perhaps when amp was added to the mix.
 
^ haha not my quote.. I just repeat shit I've heard from those smarter than me. Like a parrot, but with better reading comprehension ;)



I highly agree with that last sentence though, people seem to forget that a lot the "good" pills back in the old days would be labeled as adulterated in the modern market. I'm more than positive if I made an MDMA, MDA and amphetamine pill and sold it these days no one would make the claim that it's inferior to the olden pills. Well, at least not without starting the sentence with "Back in my day, the pills were..."
 
I think Folley makes a very good point there. I have what I know to be, from journal-grade analytical techniques, pure MDMA now and even when I take long breaks I don't feel it as intensely as I did some of the (untested) stuff I took back in the day. I really do think that the presence of some other drugs or certain cocktails in adulterated (with actual drugs, not bunk) pills gave a stronger subjective experience than pure MDMA.

Reagent testing and lab test results were a lot more scarce in those days so there really is no way to know if those especially good pills really were pure MDMA or if they were adulterated with something that gave a more intense subjective experience. "Purer" doesn't necessarily mean better - it just means purer.
 
Exactly, my last roll was actually the first time I had dosed MDMA alone without another drug in over a year.. and to be honest, I was pretty underwhelmed. Even being in an amazing setting didn't make it as intense as I would have expected. Seemed to lack a certain empathy, like the "magic" was gone.


This is from the same exact batch that has given me the most intense euphoria of my life. So, yeah. I'd say when you're talking about chucking several unknown chemicals down your throat vs. taking a tested MDMA only pill, there's going to be a world of difference.
 
id say there's probably been a big qualitative shift in the US alright. as for over here, e was better back then but the extent is overstated imo. i just missed the 90s pillwise but from what i can tell its nostalgia for the decade itself. the experience was surreal because of the context, the birth of dance/rave, a youth counterculture, e-use at hitherto unprecedented levels. it was new, and it was everyones first time, imagine the sort of naive belief you felt after you first roll amplified en-masse...they didn't have older users around to tell them the feelings they had where ''just the drugs'' ect. for a brief window people believed it was more than just drugs and music, even if they didn't admit it. not to exaggerate, but there are similarities with the 60s in terms of what happened. i don't think the pills are much better, it was just a set of circumstances that enhanced their effects. the same thing goes on now, but to a lesser extent, people starting now tend to do so in smaller groups/networks, less people are doing it and the older users have become jaded.
 
That's an excellent analysis IMO and probably plays a big, if not the biggest, part.
 
Folley said:
I highly agree with that last sentence though, people seem to forget that a lot the "good" pills back in the old days would be labeled as adulterated in the modern market. I'm more than positive if I made an MDMA, MDA and amphetamine pill and sold it these days no one would make the claim that it's inferior to the olden pills. Well, at least not without starting the sentence with "Back in my day, the pills were..."
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after having tried MDA and MDA+MDMA over the summer I have to agree with you... That was the closest I got to the way the old pills felt and it was pretty darn close... I would like to get my hands on some MDEA just to compare how it works as well..
 
thizzlemonster86 said:
im gonna have to AGREE with darksidesam on this. iv heard it a million billion times from ravers in the 90's that pills were better than any of the super pills we have nowa days. dont you think after popping so many pills over the years that ur tolerance is going to be permanantly altered. my tolerance has been permanantly affected after just ONE good go with some red defqons. i took 2.5 of them and now iv PERMANANTLY burned out some receptors for sure. i can still roll but it just doesnt seem the same anymore sad face. but iv had a decent break and ill be trying some yellow tri-force.
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When i was finally able to get good ones ,i bought as many blue defqons as i could get my hands on.I'll never need
to buy another pill again.You about said it,those things are nuts ,im taking a year off from taking any .Five months wasn't enough,and i was only taking 1 - 1 1/2.
The ninetys pills often had a touch of speed in them,i really miss that .I think the combo is excellent for dancing and general good time.
 
I never buy pressed pills.... however, the first weekend of august..well this month, a friend came through at a festival and had pressies. My friends who have been raving since the 90s were floored off one. So I immediately went holy shit I must buy these. I ended up buying sadly only two red mortal kombat dragon pills... they had 200mg of mdma in it (well said to be) and tested straight black... I think the test kit smoked when we did it. I was like O_O. So yup took one and was fucked up. This was the best pressie I ever had and I've been rolling I guess to frequently as of lately (never more than once in a month though) and this pressie seriously had me feeling like I was a noob (felt like my first times rolling).

So good pressies still exist... you just gotta know the right people... I still will never buy them most of the time. All the ones over here tend to be shit. Ugh I wish I bought more of the mortal kombats but they sold out quick. My friend's said it was as good as a pressie from back in the day.

Edit: great reviews on pr... I should make an account and leave a review... it was that good
 
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^^This is true. HOWEVER, I'm going to play devils advocate here and say that whilst I do believe that the quality of synth has an impact on the experience to a degree (for example - MK's vs Green Androids), the starting material (PMK or saff) makes no difference to the end product, as (to quote Folley), MDMA is MDMA.....I think this whole 90's talk is to do with MDEA and perhaps when amp was added to the mix.
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Mmmm is MDMA just MDMA? On a molecular level the answer is yes but due to nature of the majority of MDMA manufacture techniques there are often impurities present that can also produce CNS activity. It doesnt necessarily have to be a coctail of MDA, MDEA, Speed, LSD etc. It could simply be impurities from the manufacture processes.

We know the Mortal Kombats contained traces of PMMA from impurities found in safrol. This made its way through the processes many other CNS compounds could also do the same.

I have spent quite a bit of time on Clandestine manufacture sites and many folks who are clearly making or at least have a lot of knowledge about making claim that the "dirty brown" molly is certainly a more "balls to the walls" experience than the "clean high" felt by pure white MDMA. This is one of many reasons often labs dont bother cleaning the MDMA to white.

Does the starting precursor make a difference to the final product? Safrol, Piperonal, Isosafrol etc? My opinion is yes it does. If it didnt why do some pills smell of safrol? Clearly the smell of the safrol has been passed through all the processes and clearly the product isnt an odourless crystaline structure as it should be.
 
Yeah but the traces were so low.... and honestly was just probably from cross contamination. Still a very clean roll. Probably risky, I guess, but oh well... I survived. We all did.

Also different batches were going around as well. So who knows.

Other than that, there are still good rolls and molly going around. I just was stating over here especially in the dmv there really aren't that many great pressies... even in nyc it varies.
 
The MK's were great, I dont know why everybody is all "OMG 0.8mg PMMA fuxzor!!111". I survived, and so did everybody ele.
 
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