180mg MDAI + 230mg 4-fa weird result

[dingyskunk]

Ok so i took the 180mg MDAI and 230mg of 4-fa together at the same time both dissolved in water then administered orally. After about 10 minutes i felt very very weird. It was almost like the intense uncomfortable rush you get from snorting 2ce but it lasted about 2 hours. The rush felt very dizzy and almost like i was drunk. After the dizziness from that wore off i redosed 2 hours after initially taking the two chemicals. The redose was 150mg of each chemical. Again upon redose within minutes i felt the drunkenness feeling again. It wasn't as bad as the first dose but was still very very apparent.

Now i understand that the redose could have caused serotonin syndrome since that was a foolishly large amount of chemicals in my body, however i suspect that the first dose i took already hinted at serotonin syndrome. Other than the drunkenness feeling these are the effects i felt:

Slightly impaired hearing
Awkwardness in talking to people
Fear/anxiety
Some visuals
Enhanced Color
Tightness in chest
Upon redose headache
Warm feeling throughout body(but didn't feel like i was overheating)
Dry mouth(always get it from 4-fa)
Pupil dilation(in the middle of mild and extreme)
Texting on my phone extremely fast(20 minutes into the first dose)
Extreme Thirst which led to frequent urination
Paleness of the skin(looking at my hands they looked more pale than usual, but someone told me my face looked pale i didn't check it out though)

Ok so to add to that i did not experience any palpitations, extremely fast heart beat, or fever however my heart rate was definitely increased. The past 3-4 days i have been snorting 100+ mg doses of 4-fa because i have a tolerance to it.

Again the main thing that worries me is that i felt significant effects starting 10 minutes after taking the drug orally. This is very unusual as people report the drug taking anywhere from 30-60+ mins to kick in. None of the effects i felt were characteristic of 4-fa i experienced new effects such as an increase in vividness of the world around me(colors, tracers) which were probably the MDAI.

After 2 hours on both doses the dizzy/drunkenness went away and after the redose went away about 3 hours after dosing i felt a couple waves of depressing thoughts and a lack of motivation or purpose to talk with the people i was hanging out with.

Any comments or advice is greatly appreciated. If anyone out there has tried this combo or can diagnose the problem based on my side effects i would be grateful.

 

[Bsiren]

With RC's, the misconception that they are always authentic and uncut unlike "street drugs" can get you in trouble. Certain RC's can be reagent testing with certain reagents from the dancesafe.org kit to determine contents (you can do a search on this to find a guide I beleive MDAI is one of them). I have actually witnessed a case where an RC company ran out of bk-MDMA, so they were marking MDPV as bk-MDMA for a few weeks in order to fulfill orders (MDPV is quite different from methylone). These companies are set up to have extremely little liability. It's important to know that with any RC, you're taking a gamble- many of these drugs are quite new and unstudied.

If this is indeed your friend who experienced this, I'd encourage them to post directly about the experience. Bluelight does not allow non-incrimination techniques as a method of posting (ie. no "SWIM" or "my pet hamster").

Serotonin Syndrome is a serious life threatening condition that would be apparent now if you had it.

Though the MDMA + 4-fa combo is common, I have not heard of mixing it with MDAI. I would perhaps check out erowid.org for trip reports of mixing the two, you may find a couple stories.

 

[socalthizzn]

Probably get better answers in PD

 

[dingyskunk]

The source of the MDAI and 4-fa has had his products reagent tested by other users on another forum.

My main concern is this. From what i read serotonin syndrome does not occur instantly and why would it if when you take a drug orally it takes a while to kick in. For me the dizzyness/drunkeness occured within 10 minutes after drinking a solution of the two drugs. Also serotonin syndrome apparently lasts at least 24 hours yet the side effect subsided as soon as the MDAI wore off.

Also could you move my thread to PD like socalthizzn suggested. I'd really like to get as much advice as possible before i spend the money to consult a real doctor. But for now i will discontinue any drugs until i learn more about why i experienced such a fast onset of unusual symptoms.

 

[theotherside]

I have combined 150mg of 4-fa and 150mg of MDAI, which is less of each than you took with your experience but I didn't find any signs of serotonin syndrome for the two weeks after. I know my example isn't the same but I hope to give you some comfort

 

[socalthizzn]

The source of the MDAI and 4-fa has had his products reagent tested by other users on another forum.

My main concern is this. From what i read serotonin syndrome does not occur instantly and why would it if when you take a drug orally it takes a while to kick in. For me the dizzyness/drunkeness occured within 10 minutes after drinking a solution of the two drugs. Also serotonin syndrome apparently lasts at least 24 hours yet the side effect subsided as soon as the MDAI wore off.

Also could you move my thread to PD like socalthizzn suggested. I'd really like to get as much advice as possible before i spend the money to consult a real doctor. But for now i will discontinue any drugs until i learn more about why i experienced such a fast onset of unusual symptoms.

------------> pSychadelic drugs.

 

[dingyskunk]

Just did an allergy test on 10mg of MDAI since i didn't even try MDAI b4 my combo and nothing. I'm really doubting that i had even mild serotonin syndrome because dizzyness/drunkeness and faster onset could have just been a result of the combo. Next time i will check for clonus which i believe is a big part of serotonin syndrome.

also how long after negative effects should i wait to just try the MDAI by itself? Cuz i would imagine my serotonin levels are low as fuck right now and dosing just MDAI wouldn't induce serotonin syndrome again.

 

[pqmomba8]

>>Though the MDMA + 4-fa combo is common, I have not heard of mixing it with MDAI.
Actually, VERY common in "my neck of the woods". In fact, 4-FA/MDAI combo is arguably my favorite. The two complement each other very, very nicely. Never experienced anything you describe above. Always, that nice, "warm / glowy / I love this / honey through my veins" empathogenic feeling. Go figure......

Hope you're doing better though.

 

[TheAzo]

I think your problem was that you took too damned large of a dose.... That's pretty typical for taking too large a dose of a stimulant/empathogen, doesn't sound like SS.

I'd expect 4-FA and MDAI to be a good combination. Good to know that, in fact, it is.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

I combined these 2 once before & personally, I did not enjoy it. This was quite some months ago, around the time I'd discovered 4-fa & I hoped adding MDAI to the mix might mean I could reduce my fa dose & make the gram last longer.

I cannot remember exactly what dosages I had but my guess is I would halved my usual dose of each chem so that woulda been 80mg 4-fa & 30mg of MDAI. Niether can I remember extactly what it was I found I didnt like... some sorta subtle, general dysphoria. No physical sickness or anything.

I've noticed MDAI & MPA being sold as a mix... I wonder if MDAI & 4-fa will end up in some "party mix"???

 

[The King of Beans]

Ok so i took the 180mg MDAI and 230mg of 4-fa together at the same time both dissolved in water then administered orally. After about 10 minutes i felt very very weird. It was almost like the intense uncomfortable rush you get from snorting 2ce but it lasted about 2 hours. The rush felt very dizzy and almost like i was drunk. After the dizziness from that wore off i redosed 2 hours after initially taking the two chemicals. The redose was 150mg of each chemical. Again upon redose within minutes i felt the drunkenness feeling again. It wasn't as bad as the first dose but was still very very apparent.

Now i understand that the redose could have caused serotonin syndrome since that was a foolishly large amount of chemicals in my body, however i suspect that the first dose i took already hinted at serotonin syndrome. Other than the drunkenness feeling these are the effects i felt:

Slightly impaired hearing
Awkwardness in talking to people
Fear/anxiety
Some visuals
Enhanced Color
Tightness in chest
Upon redose headache
Warm feeling throughout body(but didn't feel like i was overheating)
Dry mouth(always get it from 4-fa)
Pupil dilation(in the middle of mild and extreme)
Texting on my phone extremely fast(20 minutes into the first dose)
Extreme Thirst which led to frequent urination
Paleness of the skin(looking at my hands they looked more pale than usual, but someone told me my face looked pale i didn't check it out though)

Ok so to add to that i did not experience any palpitations, extremely fast heart beat, or fever however my heart rate was definitely increased. The past 3-4 days i have been snorting 100+ mg doses of 4-fa because i have a tolerance to it.

Again the main thing that worries me is that i felt significant effects starting 10 minutes after taking the drug orally. This is very unusual as people report the drug taking anywhere from 30-60+ mins to kick in. None of the effects i felt were characteristic of 4-fa i experienced new effects such as an increase in vividness of the world around me(colors, tracers) which were probably the MDAI.

After 2 hours on both doses the dizzy/drunkenness went away and after the redose went away about 3 hours after dosing i felt a couple waves of depressing thoughts and a lack of motivation or purpose to talk with the people i was hanging out with.

Any comments or advice is greatly appreciated. If anyone out there has tried this combo or can diagnose the problem based on my side effects i would be grateful.

I actually get the same dizziness feeling but only when I'm doing like 3 or 4 times per week. Can I ask if you dosed recently before this experience? And when I say dosed, I mean ANY type of drug that works on your neuro-chems in your brain. Probably just need a break. The dizziness is there in place of the euphoria most likely. So when the dizziness wears off, so does the euphoria. I think it is caused from low or depleted levels in the brain, and when trying to force more of these depleted chemicals out, it just causes dizziness.

 

[Solipsis]

I have not had any of the mentioned problems with this combination but yes they are both known to be particularly serotonergic. MDAI on it's own may level off at some point but adding a pushing compound like 4-FA which is a real stimulant unlike MDAI could potentially turn this serotonin release into overdrive.

And not everyone would react equally to the same administered doses, always be aware of that. The difference in tolerance can be huge.