Opioids 17 norco day and my liver is still fine? why is this

[wishinihadoxy]

ok hi everone I am an ADDICT and i love my oxys and my norcs but i am growing quite concerned about my liver i currently take 17 norco a day starting at 8 am finishing around 4pm mg is 10/325 i dont cwe
and ive been doing this for a year or so and i just went to get my liver tested about a week ago to see how i was doing and they said my liver is fine nothing wrong at all and i am cuirous to how this can be seeing the amount of apap i consume a day can kill most any answers>?

 

[Jktm]

If you continue to do this you will eventually damage your liver. 17 norcos a day puts you at 5525mg of apap daily, which isn't much higher than the daily limit, but continued use like this will eventually catch up to you. Try doing a CWE on all of them at once since you do all of this in an 8 hour period of time. Know how much water exactly you use to do the CWE and dose accordingly to how you normally dose. Keep it refrigerated if possible, and keep it sealed or covered in saran wrap. I don't know if you're having to do this at work, or what, but find some way to take your pills without all the apap. If doing a CWE isn't an option because of work or school or whatever, try switching to something without apap or switch to percocet so that you can take less apap throughout the day. The equivalent dose would be 113mg, so you could take 11 or 12 (probably 10 or 11 because you don't take it all the time and there's not complete cross-tolerance) which would put your apap dosing at 3900 at most if you get percocet 10/325s. Either way, try to cut down on the apap if you want to continue this. And if you can, you could just switch to an oxycodone product with no tylenol (roxi's or OP OxyContin's).

Just be safe and try not to kill your liver lol.

 

[sekio]

APAP is actually detoxified very effectively by most people, its toxicity usually only comes from humongous overdoses or when liver function is altered, like in alcohol abuse.
Even so taking large amounts every day is just tempting fate.

 

[tricomb]

The human body can tolerate somewhat unbelievable levels of abuse, it's just a matter of how long.

I hate to use the same phrase, but Sekio really hit the nail on the head, why tempt fate? 17 norcos a day? I mean I did that for a while very long ago, but I cannot imagine why you would put your body through that abuse knowingly on the daily.

How many norcos a day do you need to be taking before you realize this is a problem? I've seen addicts on Intervention wait until they're taking 20+ something per day, usually with alcohol.

I would recommend that you do not wait to consider your lifestyle choices until the day you get a diagnosis.
You obviously are worried and are aware that you are engaging in higher risk activity, so I think the question here really is, what are you going to do to prevent liver failure?

Do you exercise, maintain proper nutrition and hydration, sleep hygiene, etc? Do you drink alcohol?

 

[SteeleyJ]

5.5 grams is over what you should be taking and over time it has real potential to cause decreased liver function.
Everyone is different too, someone might have decreased liver function in 3 months with that amount of apap and the next guy could to it for 20 years no problems.

 

[bunge]

I would also take into account that the liver is a unique organ in that it can regenerate to some extent and in alot of cases can take a fair amount of abuse. However the danger of liver damage is that your liver can go from appearing healthy in a scan to being damaged in a very short space of time. you didnt say how your liver was tested, if it was just a scan, while very good at showing scarring and inflammation doesnt give the whole picture. A liver enzyme test would also be needed to show exactly how efficently its working. It really would be better to cwe, you didnt state that you have any chronic pain problems so the apap isnt giving you any added benefit and doesnt add to your high so basically why risk it?

 

[chase_in_56ace]

Because the human body is amazingly resilient. But eventually grows tired of the bullshit.

 

[bunge]

^
How succinct.lol

 

[simplgrl77]

I have taken way too many norcos and percs myself for many years and was ALWAYS freaking out about my liver. I think I even managed to have a full blown panic attack on my way to work one day. I called 911 and was pickup up by an ambulance.

Its scary. I did lots of reading and from what I read you can go from taking too many one day to DEAD in 3 days flat! The first your sick, the second your completely fine, then WHAM! liver failure. Its get a liver transplant and perm dialysis or die.

I dont know if you get your scripts from a doc or not but try to get the regular oxy IR without the APAP.
I do not know why I was only prescribed the apap ones for so long but eventually I found a doc that didnt.

I think the medical industry is only recently becoming aware of how dangerous tylonol is. Too many docs still think 4G/day is fine. Which is only ok short-term. Once you go over the 6mo-year , that 4g/day is too much!

Dude...I know what its like but seriously, life is WAY better if your not sick. Dont risk it anymore!

 

[Bomb319]

As has been said, your liver IS very resilient but I would be very apprehensive doing it every single day. I used to put my liver through ungodly amounts of abuse in the past while withdrawing. I would take massive amounts of Tylenol 1's with 8 mg codeine in an attempt to stave off the worst of the W/D. I didn't often CWE since it was usually not an option due to others being present or sheer apathy from the crushing depression. I have taken as many as 15 at a time twice a day. Thats 30 at 300 mg each for a max of 9000 mg in 24 hours - very dangerous. Although I only did this a day or two at a time at very wide intervals, I would usually puke my guts out at some point, probably a combination of the withdrawal and my liver being poisoned. I don't drink at all however so I'm hoping that may have helped a bit by not causing full blown liver failure.

Bottom line is, I wouldn't even take the recommended limit on a daily basis (4000). ANYTHING on a daily basis is just asking for it, in my opinion, and your body might get tired of it after awhile, or enzyme levels may fluctuate one day because of something else you took or ingested, and you can end up in trouble.

I can understand not bothering to CWE with codeine, but if you have percs, why the hell not? If you're gonna take that many it's definitely worth it as long as you're good at it and don't waste any oxy. Man I love percs. First sstrong opiate I ever tried. At the time, nothing was more blissful than taking 4-5 percs on an empty stomach with no tolerance and listening to music or playing my favorite video game. It was bliss like I've never imagined, and to this day I would almost prefer popping percs to injecting heroin.

 

[Fire&Water]

I have a friend who took about 10 - 10/325 vicodins a day for crohn's disease for about 12 years The first Dr. said he had a
hernia (?) the second one told him he had about 40% use of his liver...It took him about a year to get it back to 75%

 

[Bomb319]

Yes, the nice thing about your liver is even damaged portions can fully regenerate over time unless you have extensive cirrhosis.

 

[tricomb]

I really wouldn't be counting on my damaged liver to repair itself as a justification to continue such reckless APAP abuse.

 

[walterdini]

I've had 2 periods in my life where I messed with stupidly high dosess of apap...the first was as a teenager, I was only taking vicodans or percs at the time, but worked my tolerance to where I needed about 70mgs to get high, which if taken as 5mg/500mg oxy pills, or even the 7.5/750mg hydros, meant a LOT of apap. Some days would be in excess of 10 grams of apap, I was worried, but never heard of cwe and it never bothered me at all...I was also a teenager with a young fresh healthy liver

Then, as a dope addict, went away on vacation and couldn't bring my dope or score and tried curbing w/d with codiene. Couldn't do a cwe b/c of my circumstances, and ended up taking just over 14 grams of apap over the course of one day trying to get enough codeine to not be sick. The next day, and even that evening, my liver was in pain and sore to the touch. Scared the crap outta me and lasted for about 5 days and then went away.

Bottom line, 5 grams of apap isn't a crazy amount, but its not safe either, and you can take it for days or even years w/out problem, and then one day you might wake up with liver failure. So if you have the ability to change meds or to do cwe's on the meds u have, then do it before its too late.

 

[duckbin]

ok hi everone I am an ADDICT and i love my oxys and my norcs but i am growing quite concerned about my liver i currently take 17 norco a day starting at 8 am finishing around 4pm mg is 10/325 i dont cwe
and ive been doing this for a year or so and i just went to get my liver tested about a week ago to see how i was doing and they said my liver is fine nothing wrong at all and i am cuirous to how this can be seeing the amount of apap i consume a day can kill most any answers>?

Maybe you don't see or feel the damage but oh boy will it get bad if you continue. My grandfather died that way. He was 300 lbs of raw muscle up until age 60, his liver failed. in 2-3 months he went down to 150 lbs, he looked terrible, eyes dark yellow, died not too long after that.
You seem like you are proud of the achievement of taking a lot of drugs. I take a lot of drugs as well, and I need to change. However, I'm not reckless. 5.5k apap a day a year will kill you soon.

 

[MarshmallowKitten]

Yikes...Your post scares me. That is an incredible amount of apap daily. I am going to say that so far you just have been lucky but I wouldn't count on your liver putting up with that for much longer. If you can't give up the norco habit or cut back, would you maybe at least consider CWE? It's really easy and works quite well. I use it often myself. Would hate to see you end up with serious liver issues. You could even accidentally OD with it and not know until a day or so later when its too late to do anything to help you. That would be sad. Give the CWE a try, please?

 

[OEandricearoni]

I suppose it could be possible your liver is just better than other peoples at dealing with the toxicity of acetaminophen. I find it unlikely if you keep taking a lot per day that your liver wont eventually start to suffer some ill effects.

 

[bunge]

^
Ive known quite a few people that have thought that there body was in some way better then other people at dealing with drugs (i know that not you OEandricearoni, and that your just speculating.lol). Needless to say those people are seriously brown bread now.

 

[kandi roxi]

I just had this same question. I was using about 20 norco 10/325mg a day for quite sometime, like 3 years before eventually switching to roxis. But my liver is somewhat okay. I have some damage to it but nothing permanent. Your liver is apparently very forgiving and it can handle a lot more than we think. But I'd try cutting down on your Tylenol intake before you do damage your liver.

 

[OEandricearoni]

^
Ive known quite a few people that have thought that there body was in some way better then other people at dealing with drugs (i know that not you OEandricearoni, and that your just speculating.lol). Needless to say those people are seriously brown bread now.

Seriously brown bread now? Can't say I've ever heard the expression, though I'm assuming it is something bad.

I think it's perfectly possible for some people to have a better functioning liver than others, that is more tolerant to damage, as this is the case with other organs at times. This doesn't mean they cant recklessly take huge amounts of apap everyday and not worry about any consequences. No matter how resilient your liver is, eventually it will sustain damage and could lead to very bad things.