16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)

That's the plan!

Getting the last of my ducks in arow here, last-minute supplies, etc. Taper begins Wednesday. I've done it before; I'm gonna do it again. I've had enough of the bullshit. It's time.

But this thread ain't about me, brother, it's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

YOU!


Way to go, man, now go forth and rock your life!
 
The last batch of pods I ordered was right around the time that all the online vendors started to run out and I swear it's the weakest batch of pods I've ever received, I've recently realized that it's actually the loperamide that is really holding me at this point, it took about a week for my body to adjust to the extra week pods, then about another week to realize that the loperamide was holding me better than the pods. The first week was absolute hell, but I've been feeling pretty stable on about a tablespoon of weak pods and ten to twelve mgs. of loperamide every 24 hours.

I think it's a good time to get off pods unless they're growing in your backyard or something, they're just not worth it to me anymore, too expensive, too weak, and too many evil dishonest vendors popping up on the internet. I'm lucky I wasn't on a high dose when all this happened, it would have been a lot worse, not that I'm out of the woods yet. My mind still craves the high but when I think of all the things I have to give up when I'm strung out on opiates all the time I'm just not thinking it's worth it anymore.
 
The last batch of pods I ordered was right around the time that all the online vendors started to run out and I swear it's the weakest batch of pods I've ever received, I've recently realized that it's actually the loperamide that is really holding me at this point, it took about a week for my body to adjust to the extra week pods, then about another week to realize that the loperamide was holding me better than the pods. The first week was absolute hell, but I've been feeling pretty stable on about a tablespoon of weak pods and ten to twelve mgs. of loperamide every 24 hours.

I think it's a good time to get off pods unless they're growing in your backyard or something, they're just not worth it to me anymore, too expensive, too weak, and too many evil dishonest vendors popping up on the internet. I'm lucky I wasn't on a high dose when all this happened, it would have been a lot worse, not that I'm out of the woods yet. My mind still craves the high but when I think of all the things I have to give up when I'm strung out on opiates all the time I'm just not thinking it's worth it anymore.

Bro the SAME exact thing happened to me about a week before I ended my taper. I was down to about 3gms and had to order from a new supplier because my LAST order from my regular supplier was a total rip off.

I wound up getting a fair deal (quantity wise) but then I find out the pods were easily half the strength of my former piece of shit supplier. This pushed me into wds pretty hard and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why I started withdrawing for no reason. And luckily I was able to figure it out and matched the dose.

But the general state of the poppy world right now is the most horrific I've seen it in years. So many places are still out of stock, other places are selling just a few pods for ridiculous prices, and my long time supplier turned scammer and started ripping people off. Then when I went to ANOTHER supplier who's always had a good reputation, she sent me the shittiest quality pods in the world.

I kept thinking "wow I can't believe how I literally started my taper 2 weeks before everything went to complete shit". Because if I had not planned this taper, and all that shit went down, it would have made me rebel even more against the idea of quitting totally. I don't like feeling like I'm forced to make decisions due to things outside my control. I would have prob gotten bitter about it all and started blowing so much more money just to not get sick. But yeh like you said unless you have these things growing in your backyard its just really not worth it anymore with everything thats going on. Pods never really got me high enough in the first place, I mean they felt good and all but whats the point of spending $100-$150 a week so I can barely feel a high?

Thats why I couldn't help keep telling myself throughout this taper "this is exactly what the man up above wanted for me" and I REALLY believe in some odd way that god fucked up the poppy business just to make my taper that much easier =]
And like you said yeh I think about the high but it doesn't feel like a craving or a compulsion to actually go get high. Its too easy to realize at this point all the things I'd be sacrificing in my life (SO MANY THINGS really) all for a cup of pod tea.
Good luck bro!
 
Dude I checked my old vendor today - the price of pods has skyrocketed!! It is literally impossible to afford them now, even if one could control their use. It's practically 3$ per large pod right now... FUCK THAT. If I wanted to catch a buzz it's back to kratom.

I think that the DEA is actually up to something here. I heard that they were testing US farms for opium content and wouldn't let the farms ship out until they conclude business. I didn't believe it at first but honestly what else could be going on? There has to be some reason why most vendors haven't gotten a decent shipment in a month or more.

Edit: Seems you already know what I'm talking about, ha.
 
That's the plan!

Getting the last of my ducks in arow here, last-minute supplies, etc. Taper begins Wednesday. I've done it before; I'm gonna do it again. I've had enough of the bullshit. It's time.

But this thread ain't about me, brother, it's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

YOU!


Way to go, man, now go forth and rock your life!

Thanks bro thats mighty courteous of you and from the sounds of it you seem experienced with tapering. So I think you will definitely rock through your entire process... same way I'm about to go rock out my life =]

Man I can't lie it REALLY is a high like nothing else just being off drugs but knowing that YOU are the reason you're off drugs makes it so much better. I've never before in my entire life made a proactive decision to quit any drug. I've always needed rehab or detox or a court order.. but I always remember leaving those places feeling like I had no self esteem.
And right now I feel so confident and inspired towards my life its insane. Its amazing the things us humans can accomplish when we put our minds to it. And I think you will have no problems putting your mind into what you have to do and reaching success. Good luck!
 
Dude I checked my old vendor today - the price of pods has skyrocketed!! It is literally impossible to afford them now, even if one could control their use. It's practically 3$ per large pod right now... FUCK THAT. If I wanted to catch a buzz it's back to kratom.

I think that the DEA is actually up to something here. I heard that they were testing US farms for opium content and wouldn't let the farms ship out until they conclude business. I didn't believe it at first but honestly what else could be going on? There has to be some reason why most vendors haven't gotten a decent shipment in a month or more.

Edit: Seems you already know what I'm talking about, ha.

Yeh it still shocks me completely today even though we both found out about this weeks ago. And it does seem the prices have actually gone higher again because $3 per large pod is straight robbery.

As far as what you are saying about the DEA involvment one side of my brain highly doubts it, but another side of me can work the logic out and understand why that very well may be true.
Opium laws are ancient I believe, very much a part of US history and I think it would take A LOT of publicity and politics to ever change the current laws. For instance, I believe something around 10-15 different legislative acts have been passed since the late 1800's just regarding opium. Like first sale was banned of the extracted alkaloids, then consumption, and all sorts of different laws were made over the last 100 years. But not ONE single law every restricted the growth and importation of poppies. I believe its far too profitable a plant, and I think thats why it will almost never be made illegal.

But the other side of me says this now:

HOW THE HELL is it possible, that out of about 20 different vendors (theres prob more) not a single one of them is w/out serious problems getting more stock.
There is NO WAY that all of these vendors are ordering from 1 supplier. Pods get imported from so many different countries, are grown in washington, california and I'm sure a good deal of other places. So why is everything still so terribly fucked up?
But it seems if the DEA was interfering in anyway all vendors would stop selling completely, and that has happened yet. Maybe they're just putting pressure on them but it seems noone really knows what the real problem is.

I've seen the prices of pods go up and down over the years but this current situation I've NEVER anything like it before. Pods are basically being sold for the cost of diamonds now. I really just don't know the more I think about it the more confused I get. All I know is I don't have to be apart of that bullshit anymore and I'm def happy about that.
 
Yes I can see it from both points of view. I was adamant when all of this crap started out that it was just a shortage or something, a major supplier whose crop wasn't ready or something. I heard rumors of DEA involvement but didn't consider it a possibility.

Honestly though, if the DEA wanted to be straight up dicks they could interfere. They arrested a pod vendor (I think on Ebay) a while back, and then there were 2 public cases of overdose and death. It is pretty clear that they CAN get involved and that technically the sale of pods that contain significant quantities of morphine is illegal. They don't have to change the current laws, all they really have to do is enforce them. The sale of papaver somniferum is technically illegal, it's just overlooked.

As far as the question you pose about why hasn't the market come to a complete standstill? Well, as you said some vendors get their product from overseas and perhaps the DEA hasn't stepped in on that yet. Also, some vendors do not sell papaver somniferum and the pods are completely legal (I know my first vendor sold pods that were technically "active," but were very weak. I doubt I could even feel them today). Another thing to keep in mind is that some vendors have kept a large reserve of stock. For instance the popular vendor that you and I both used who is skyrocketing his/her prices posted last week: "Stock is running VERY low." They've managed to keep selling this entire time, although at significantly increased prices. Are they scumbags? Maybe. But it's supply and demand really.

My personal opinion is that the DEA could be just harassing farmers at this point. I don't think they're going after specific vendors because there are just too many, but the number of farms is probably less and easier to target. Will this have a longstanding effect on the industry if this is true? Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell.
 
Yes I can see it from both points of view. I was adamant when all of this crap started out that it was just a shortage or something, a major supplier whose crop wasn't ready or something. I heard rumors of DEA involvement but didn't consider it a possibility.

Honestly though, if the DEA wanted to be straight up dicks they could interfere. They arrested a pod vendor (I think on Ebay) a while back, and then there were 2 public cases of overdose and death. It is pretty clear that they CAN get involved and that technically the sale of pods that contain significant quantities of morphine is illegal. They don't have to change the current laws, all they really have to do is enforce them. The sale of papaver somniferum is technically illegal, it's just overlooked.

As far as the question you pose about why hasn't the market come to a complete standstill? Well, as you said some vendors get their product from overseas and perhaps the DEA hasn't stepped in on that yet. Also, some vendors do not sell papaver somniferum and the pods are completely legal (I know my first vendor sold pods that were technically "active," but were very weak. I doubt I could even feel them today). Another thing to keep in mind is that some vendors have kept a large reserve of stock. For instance the popular vendor that you and I both used who is skyrocketing his/her prices posted last week: "Stock is running VERY low." They've managed to keep selling this entire time, although at significantly increased prices. Are they scumbags? Maybe. But it's supply and demand really.

My personal opinion is that the DEA could be just harassing farmers at this point. I don't think they're going after specific vendors because there are just too many, but the number of farms is probably less and easier to target. Will this have a longstanding effect on the industry if this is true? Maybe, maybe not. Only time will tell.

My understanding is, the vendor(s) that got arrested were arrested for openly advertising their product as Papaver Somniferum (as opposed to something vague and non-incriminating like "hybrids" or simply "poppies"), or revealing that information to an undercover who sends a carefully crafted e-mail to the vendor.

Vendors seem to have an effective shield by not answering non-ornamental inquiries, and most importantly not advertising their poppies as somnis.
 
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Man Arrested for Selling Opium Poppy Pods on eBay

PALO ALTO, Calif. (Reuters) - A California man has been arrested on federal drug charges after he allegedly sold dried opium pods to undercover federal drug agents via Internet auction site eBay (NasdaqNM:EBAY - news), U.S. prosecutors said Friday.

Krsna Lev-Twombly, 30, on Thursday was arrested at his Sacramento, California home, after he allegedly advertised and sold 700 dried Papaver Somniferum poppy pods between July 2000 and this month, the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Francisco said in a statement.

Lev-Twombly's eBay listing allegedly contained a disclaimer that the pods were intended for decorative use only. A chemist for the drug Enforcement Administration, however, said the pods as they were delivered to undercover agents could be steeped like tea and consumed as a controlled substance.

If convicted of distributing opium poppy, Lev-Twombly would face a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment and a fine of $1 million. He was released on $50,000 bond on Thursday.

EBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove said the company worked with law enforcement on the case.

"There have been a lot of folks who have found that attempting fraud on eBay does not pay," he said.

I was going to just supply a link but the only website that I could find that had the story still available would be considered a sourcing website.

Anyway, in this circumstance (which was the only one I had read about) he was arrested simply for selling pods that could be consumed as a controlled substance. Sorry to go off topic :\
 
Dude I checked my old vendor today - the price of pods has skyrocketed!! It is literally impossible to afford them now, even if one could control their use. It's practically 3$ per large pod right now... FUCK THAT. If I wanted to catch a buzz it's back to kratom.

I think that the DEA is actually up to something here. I heard that they were testing US farms for opium content and wouldn't let the farms ship out until they conclude business. I didn't believe it at first but honestly what else could be going on? There has to be some reason why most vendors haven't gotten a decent shipment in a month or more.

Edit: Seems you already know what I'm talking about, ha.


I've never used the internet to buy anything and I've never used poppies, but could part of the problem be increased demand? I imagine as time goes by, more and more people find out about this.

If the DEA is taking down suppliers, then with reduced supply and increased demand, you'll definitely have increased prices.


Actually if that was the case then it would seem fairly similar to the other opiate markets.
 
Most people here where I live wich is in NJ wouldn't even know what they were looking at if opium poppies were growing in there own backyard and I find that so crazy,last season I planted some persian blue poppies inside pots in my yard and they grew over 5 feet tall,but I bet if opium poppies were growing wild on the front lawn of a police station the cops that work there wouldn't even know what it is if it was staring them rite in there faces.
 
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I've never used the internet to buy anything and I've never used poppies, but could part of the problem be increased demand? I imagine as time goes by, more and more people find out about this.

If the DEA is taking down suppliers, then with reduced supply and increased demand, you'll definitely have increased prices.


Actually if that was the case then it would seem fairly similar to the other opiate markets.

Oh yeah it's definitely an issue of supply and demand, but if a weeks supply is going to run me my whole paycheck it's definitely not worth it. I don't think it's purely an issue of demand though, poppy prices have been fairly stable for the past year and their have only recently been severe shortages and dramatic markups in price. I'm just glad I'm not dependent on the fuckers anymore, or else I'm pretty sure I would have been forced to quit during this shortage and probably just been really pissed off about it.
 
Wow so today I randomly decided to tell my former best friend that I had got clean and was using opiates for the last couple of years (hes so far the first one I've told)
I couldn't believe his reaction he didn't even believe me at first but all a sudden we're like best friends again. I joined his gym today and we're gonna start working out together throughout most of the year.
I can't believe how fast things are already changing I wanna talk about this in more detail later but I'm in a bit of a rush, really gave me a natural high today that pods would have absolutely stole if I was still using. Will talk about it a little later.

edit: I'll update tommorow actually.
 
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Hi everyone. I'm another one of the many who are jumping on the pod-tapering bandwagon! Unfortunately they are just becoming too scarce, expensive, and unreliable. I also have a feeling that there is some merit to the rumors going around about law enforcement interfering with the current crop, so my bet is that there isn't going to be a quick resolution to the current supply issue.

Anyways, it's good to hear about the success many of you are having with your tapers (or cold-turkey quitting!). I'm currently on 1 "small" (or "medium?"... a bit smaller than a golf-ball) pod per day (tea+grounds) and haven't experiences too many withdrawal symptoms so far. It seems like many here had more extreme habits than myself, so I'll give a rundown of my usage statistics in case anyone is in a similar boat and looking to drop the habit:

Been using pods daily for about 4 months. Generally anywhere from 1 to 3 "extra large" (I'd guesstimate about 60% the size of a tennis ball) per dose, once per day. For the last 2 or 3 months it has been tea only (I got sick of dealing with the taste of grounds), though I do use a high-powered blender to make tea, so I suspect it is more efficient than simply steeping some marginally crushed pods in hot water. I've also not been consistent in my dosage pattern- sometimes I'll take the dose in the morning, other times the late afternoon/evening, and occasionally I would skip a day. I've found that keeping a non-consistent dosage pattern (not dosing at the same time each day, and not using the same amount of pods each day) seems to keep tolerance and withdrawal at bay to some extent. When I skipped a day here or there I could usually get by with only very minor WD (running nose, yawning, slight soreness in legs...) in the first 48 hours or so.

Anyways, a couple of weeks ago I purchased a batch "extra large" pods to help make a smooth taper, but to my dismay they were actually about 1/4 the size (slightly smaller than golf-balls). Regardless, I decided to start off with a sharp drop from my regular 1-3 large pods (tea) to one of these smaller pods (tea+grounds) per day, and have been on this dose for the last 4 days or so without any serious problems. So, for anyone with a more moderate habit, you may find it quicker to start a taper with a larger initial dosage drop. Then again, I think my situate may be more ideal for such a drop since my usage has been less standard day-to-day.

I'm planning on sticking with 1/day for another few days, then will probably drop to .5 pods/day for a week or two, then .25 for another week/two, then drop off. All subject to how smooth those drops go of course.

Unfortunately for my situation, dropping pods is not my choice. Generally, this would mean a huge fail for kicking, but based on the current supply situation, I don't really have a choice in the matter. I'm just not happy about it. While there have been some negative aspects of my pod use (occasionally nausea, sleeping too much, not as social- not good for being an introvert in general!), I actually have gotten a lot of positive from it- it's helped me cut my alcohol consumption significantly, helped me be very effective at getting lots of work done, etc. So, if supply comes back to stay, I'm sure I'll get right back into it, but it's just not worth it with the current supply/prices/shady vendors, etc.

Sorry to ramble so much...too many glasses of wine does that =D. Good luck to everyone on their own taper schedules! Sounds like things are going great for you, Bojangles!
 
OK so let me do a quick update.

I have NO IDEA whats going on but I'm just really broken down at this point. I'll be honest I'm very much contemplating taking just a few gms of pods again just to sleep.
I mean I can't understand whats going on, it genuinely seems like I'm not snapping back to normalcy at all.

Everyday I wake up with only a couple hours sleep, today like fucking 6-7 days later I'm getting hotflashes? Are you kidding me? I wasn't even having them 3-4 days ago. Can the kratom be fucking me up or making this worse?
I take it in the mornings because I can't get moving w/out it as it gives me a bit of energy to attempt overcoming the fatigue which never really happens. But it brings me back to being able to at least be somewhat productive.

I just feel like my wds have frozen for some reason it doesn't seem right.
I'm still not sleeping much at all.
I don't have classic RLS where you have the actual full blown sensations making your legs move, but I still can't keep my legs still for one sec. The kratom definitely helps a lot but now I'm down to my last dose of it.

Tommorow night I'm gonna be fucked now because the little bit of kratom at least moderates the RLS enough to fall asleep (till the kratom apparently wears off when I'm sleeping and I wake right up feeling like shit).

I honestly think I'm doing something wrong. I don't feel like the kratoms causing any wds but why am I still getting RLS somewhat? Why do I occasionally still get hot flashes I can't figure it out? All that crap should have stopped by now.

I have 3 things I can possibly take:
Suboxone which I'm not laying a finger on
Pods which I'd prefer not to lay a finger on
Immodium which I honestly haven't taken in days but I only have 2 left and its too late to run to the store now.

I need to figure out how to stablize somehow I feel like the lack of sleep is very much pushing me back to needing a few gms of pods. But then I fear I'll take the pods and they won't do anything because I'll prob take to small amount and I don't wanna take a lot.

I need to save my last dose of kratom for tommorow morning and I'm just dreding what later in the day brings. I've been able to get to this point but I'm just telling people straight out not sleeping is really really starting to fuck with my head. I just don't feel right at all. I lay down and I can't sleep at all during the day or take cat naps. I only fall asleep around 2 or 3 am and wake up usually by 5am and no matter how tired I am I can't go back to sleep.

I'm thinking in some weird way maybe the kratoms is fucking me up? I prob should really get some loperamide but I'm too tired to be driving right now its honestly dangerous. And to be honest words of encouragement worked before but I'm far too out of my normal realm of emotion to care for anything but a calculated idea as to why I don't feel like I'm getting better. The first few days actually seemed to go smooth, then once the sleep stayed away long enough I'm just losing it now.
I have to sleep tonight even if that means taking more pods. I genuinely am stuck about what to do right now. I also have seroquel and I was saying almost a week ago I didn't wanna take it cause it turns me into a zombie, but I might as well be a well slept zombie than a zombie who can't sleep. Maybe I'll just try like 2 lope and a seroquel tonight. Now I'll have a day of grogginess and wobbly legs to look forward too.

edit: Ok I'm gonna give this one more day because for whatever reason I'm not focusing on the fact that lope can help me a lot through this. I only have 2 to take tonight which won't do much but tommorow I'm gonna head out and get a box and eat 6 more. I'll have to wait like 4 hours till it kicks in but I just can't justify going back to pods tonight.
IF tommorow rolls around and I'm still feeling like this, I'm honestly thinking clean time is much less important at this point than my mental health. I never realized how badly sleep can mess with someones head I genuinely felt better right at the end of my taper when I still felt somewhat like shit. So I'm gonna take 2 lopes tonight, 25mg of seroquel, and see what happens tonight I guess. I am thinking though for some reason the kratom is slowing down the healing process a lot. So after my last dose tommorow maybe I'll get back to feeling better. Either the kratom or just severe lack of sleep is causing this, either way I'll give it one more day.
 
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Bojangles,
Have you ever used phenibut in the past? I find it pretty useful for knocking yourself out for sleep. Especially so if you do not use it on a regular basis (or never have at all).
 
Really? wow I think I actually have some on hand that I bought like 2 years ago! let me check..

edit: yeh I do haha I seem to have the most random shit in my house. Ok I have a sample pack and I've never actually taken it before (it came free with kratom years ago) it has 6 - 500mg phenibut, should I take them all you think? I'm willing to try anything at this point.
 
If you do have some it could definitely help you relax and sleep better. It's not as strong as say a benzo for instance, but it can be pretty useful.
 
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