16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)

Oh hell yes, Bo is the man...what you did for yourself deserves standing ovation, you did a great job on keeping us informed. I really appreciated the way you went about the posts also. You encouraged people and you warned them at the same time..You made it sound easy, you made the addiction come alive. You pointed out your highs and lows but you did it gracefully ( I know you are a dude, but dude did it with grace anyway). You didn't emphasize your pain too much, that should help with the fears that others may have. You did an amazing thing for yourself, and for the other people that are in your inner circle . I am sure you have freind's or family that knew something just wasn't right with you. but whatever the case I am so proud of you. You deserve a god sex romp...grab one that is a sex addict and then you can get it all out....:) Keep it up (pardon the pun) Poo poo pee dup....
 
nice job. now i just need to get my taper started without fucking around with pills a day or 2 into it. fuck pods they are the worst.
 
Just stopped by to see how all ya all are holding up and to anyone just entering this room Bojangle69 is the man..follow his taper..take it slow..have faith!
 
lol thanks so much guys.

I'm still going strong, the RLS seems to have been minimized a good deal since I woke up this morning. I got hit with a wall of fatigue today, just feel very drained of a lot of energy. This would be a perfect day actually to take the 4 tram I've been saving for months now. Just so maybe I can make it to the gym.

Things are going pretty decent I just can't wait till my energy levels stablize. Its seemed very back and forth since I stopped. Like I get a half a day where I can do stuff, then the other half I'm just tired as all fuck. But if is this is the worst pods are gonna throw at me they can kiss my ass. Its funny because anytime I feel bad now I just blame the pods for it. If I have a crappy day its the pods fault, if I'm tired its the pods fault, but it actually winds up making me stronger because I feel like I can fight it when I'm not blaming myself.

And it still hasn't been that long so this energy stuff can prob go on for days. I'm completely fine with that because it still feels better than anything in the world to not have to wake up and drink some pod tea to get through the day. Like I couldn't experience or enjoy my life w/out paying my soul to the opium gods once a day. Fuck the opium gods their prob all fat and lazy just like I use to be on pods lol.

Ahh man alright its still early in the day so I may get some energy, we'll see. Will definitely be back later to update. Take care all and thanks again!
 
Damn what happened to Quasi? He said he was coldturkeying this week and I have a funny feeling something happened or he went back to pods.

Just seems weird that he dissappeared or maybe he's too sick to post. Quasi if you're around brotha please let the forum know how your doing.. or at least me I really wanna see how things are going.
 
I got hit with a wall of fatigue today, just feel very drained of a lot of energy. This would be a perfect day actually to take the 4 tram I've been saving for months now. Just so maybe I can make it to the gym.

I'm of the `fuck the tram` mindset - but it's easy for me to say from where I sit. Just remember that there are ups and downs that can change by the hour. I know you aren't feeling nothing compared to if you would have cold turkeyed the damn pods!
 
Damn what happened to Quasi? He said he was coldturkeying this week and I have a funny feeling something happened or he went back to pods.

Just seems weird that he dissappeared or maybe he's too sick to post. Quasi if you're around brotha please let the forum know how your doing.. or at least me I really wanna see how things are going.
he has not posted in days this is true Bo..I am going to come back here and see if he shows up. I hope he did not cave, and if so, he can get back to it, it isn't to late, try and try again . I hope you try a half of tram instead of a whole one ,it may work. Tram is the wonder drug. They are dangerous thou. I would not suggest a daily diet of them. Use with care doll..
 
hey guys , had a really rough day at work . talked to a friend of mine who used to be a dope addict and has been clean on subs for 4 yrs. he thinks that i need to see a new sub dr. and stay on subs awhile and get on an anti depressant/anxiety med too...........i just dont know how im gonna find right doctors to do that or money to pay for it ..............
 
lol thanks so much guys.

I'm still going strong, the RLS seems to have been minimized a good deal since I woke up this morning. I got hit with a wall of fatigue today, just feel very drained of a lot of energy. This would be a perfect day actually to take the 4 tram I've been saving for months now. Just so maybe I can make it to the gym.

Things are going pretty decent I just can't wait till my energy levels stablize. Its seemed very back and forth since I stopped. Like I get a half a day where I can do stuff, then the other half I'm just tired as all fuck. But if is this is the worst pods are gonna throw at me they can kiss my ass. Its funny because anytime I feel bad now I just blame the pods for it. If I have a crappy day its the pods fault, if I'm tired its the pods fault, but it actually winds up making me stronger because I feel like I can fight it when I'm not blaming myself.

And it still hasn't been that long so this energy stuff can prob go on for days. I'm completely fine with that because it still feels better than anything in the world to not have to wake up and drink some pod tea to get through the day. Like I couldn't experience or enjoy my life w/out paying my soul to the opium gods once a day. Fuck the opium gods their prob all fat and lazy just like I use to be on pods lol.

Ahh man alright its still early in the day so I may get some energy, we'll see. Will definitely be back later to update. Take care all and thanks again!

Hey Bro- my experience has been that w/d effects are a bit sinusoidal- some days are better than others. However, the general trend is that you'll keep progressing to a better state and the oscillations will decrease. Keep it up man! Good going- you're grappling with a major demon and coming out on top!

Best!
 
Thanks a lot guys I didn't take the tram (I wasn't trying not to) because once I got moving around I felt like I could work out w/out them. I finished my work out and run but was very much draggin myself through it all.

I have a full day of work tommorow (I don't have a job but I still do independent work) and plan on working out too so if I'm extremely fatigued when I wake up I *may take a tiny amount of sub. I'm not sure why the hell people got me so afraid of them, I mean I went crazy trying to find sub months ago JUST FOR this purpose. I spent good money for them, I have a limited supply so I might as well use it when I need it. I really can't see myself getting addicted with the small amount I have, so I think I'll keep it around for the bad days.
I know I don't need it but I don't understand why I'm being so apprehensive at the same time. So if you people see me posting that I took it tommorow I'd prefer not to hear the "be careful" speeches. It was really Jay with the "learn from my mistakes" comment that turned me off to them, but wtf I AM just coming off a 16 months pod habit.
I just feel like I've plowed through the most difficult parts, I only have like 7 so I might as well try to enjoy my days if I want. I'm not saying "enjoy my days" in the drug addict sense, I just feel like I deserve it at this point. If I'm wrong call me out but I'm still most likely gonna take some anyway. I'm too confident nothing bad will come of it.
 
hey guys , had a really rough day at work . talked to a friend of mine who used to be a dope addict and has been clean on subs for 4 yrs. he thinks that i need to see a new sub dr. and stay on subs awhile and get on an anti depressant/anxiety med too...........i just dont know how im gonna find right doctors to do that or money to pay for it ..............

Thats interesting. Not the go back to a sub dr thing but that anxiety/depression med recommendation. I think you REALLY need to consider taking Lexapro specifically. Fuck considering bro you JUST NEED IT. I've spoken to you enough to know that for a fact. Theres not a single psychiatrist who wouldn't have you on it if they knew how bad your anxiety was.

Not Zoloft, Paxil or any of those crappy ssris that have bad sides and don't work for a lot of people. But lexapro has a great track record, rarely any sides, and it was the only one that basically changed my whole life (plus if you read feedback SO MANY people love thier lex).
I've told you this before years ago I was very depressed and anxious and the ONLY thing that was able to fix that was Lex (after failing with so many other ssris). It took 6 weeks before I noticed it really working, but when I did it worked SO WELL, like nothing else I've ever taken for anxiety. Plus it destroyed benzos because on benzos I was still able to be anxious and depressed. I just stopped worrying about all the worlds problems, and it def elevated my mood the entire time I was on it. In fact, Lex was so affective I almost had too little anxiety on it.

And it made me a bit uninhibited because of that. But like I said nothing else worked for me. After I got off, because I had been thinking happy on the lex and not worrying at all, it just felt natural and never came back (the anxiety and depression). I've spoke to you many times on the phone and your worrying really is just like I use to do.
Sub really is only temporary for anxiety and depression (which is why its not prescribed for that), you get a tolerance to it too quickly.
I mean in my personal opinion bro you're doing great in life you just need to find something that can work for your brain. You are a hard worker, you're staying away from dope, but you beat yourself up so much over useless shit.
You OWE yourself something better. If you gotta stay on sub stay on it. But I think more importantly that dope addict was right about an anxiety med. Just not a benzo because although they kinda address anxiety they do shit for depression, not to mention they're very much up and down. Lexapro is a stable ALWAYS happy ALWAYS not worrying experience. Theres no downs really at all imo (well except the sex drive but mine was barely even affected).

What I think is if you had something like Lex to balance your transmitters it would make it a ton easier to stop sub down the road. I'm dead serious. When you taper the sub say 4-6 months from now or whenever you decide, the Lex will be keeping you very happy and calm, to the point where a sub taper will be MUCH more doable. You sound like you have a legit anxiety problem just like I use to. And I think that prob causes most of your depression as well. If you get off subs it will prob only aggravate your anxiety further. I was only supporting you because you wanted to get off it. But if I was a dr I'd recommend exactly like I said. I really wanna see you enjoy your life bro and I really think its a good idea to try lex. ttyl! (oh and lex is easy to get overseas fyi)
 
Not sure if you've taken it before or not, so forgiven me if I'm telling you shyt you already know. Just be mindful of how potent sub is. Try a small amount, you can always take a little more after an hour or two if you think it will help. You won't get addicted with seven pills, no fing way And I highly doubt after what you've just been through that when it's gone that you'll be fiending for more sub. It's got that long half life thing so keep that in mind too. If a small amount of sub improves the quality of your day during this part of your detox, then go for it. Little sub goes a long way.
 
Bojangles...........i just dont know what doctor to go to or how to go about it .............i feel like i need some direction from someone
 
Listen to Bo J the dude knows his shyt. Lexapro worked exactly the same way for me. So well. You can ask your GP about trying it, or just find a different sub Dr and I would be surprised if he didn't have samples.
 
Damn what happened to Quasi? He said he was coldturkeying this week and I have a funny feeling something happened or he went back to pods.

Just seems weird that he dissappeared or maybe he's too sick to post. Quasi if you're around brotha please let the forum know how your doing.. or at least me I really wanna see how things are going.
I'm alive brother. I've been on a lot of phenazepam so I've been sort of lazy. I do feel a little bit restless, but I think this is to be expected after a 2 year habit. The most unforunate part is that I pretty much *know* that sometime someday I will return to the pods.

Before I do that though, I'm going to see my family doctor and basically explain to him that I've been suffering and I need help. I'm sick and tired of NSAIDs. I feel SOOOOOO much better though man, thank a lot. I didn't even take any phenazepam today, just some coffee. Could really use some weed though :\

*edit* - I haven't missed a nights sleep though lol.
 
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Quasi, good for you man! Very proud of all of you, Bo, Quasi and jake.

also jake, you're doing great. I don't know how you can find a sub doctor and know what to expect from him specifically, but you can do this - if you don't have any friends that can recommend, just try someone and if you don't like him/her - try someone else. I believe you said you have a stash of like 30-40 pills, so you have some time to work with finding the doc you like. And IMO, don't tell him you have a big stash - stay ahead of the game in case something comes up and you have to postpone an appointment, or whatever. Getting rid of the NEED to get something RIGHT NOW will help you to not choose someone you don't like just because you need the meds.

Just start sooner rather than later, so you don't have to settle, you know? You can do this, I have faith in you. :) I also agree that staying on subs is a great idea - I did it for about 8 months and just started spacing out my doses to every 3-4 days (very possible with the long half life of subs - I just took about twice what I actually needed to hold me each time, so the half life would cover several days), and hopped off with absolutely no problems. This method might sound kind of counterproductive, but I didn't really do it on purpose so to speak - I had to stop suddenly for other reasons, and was pleasantly surprised to have no withdrawal.

Anyway, don't worry about getting off right now - that's getting way ahead of yourself. There's no way you'll be in a bigger hole than if you were doing dope - money wise, morale wise, soul and heart wise. In fact you won't be in a hole at all - you'll be in control of exactly how you ween down, when you're ready. You're doing the RIGHT THING! I also think an antidepressant would be very helpful. I take Effexor XR, but Lexapro did help me for a while before I started on the SNRIs. It's a good medicine.

Keep on doing great, guys. :D
 
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Jake I'll call you tommorow and we'll talk about the various options you have to getting Lex. I'm glad you're considering it I REALLY think Lex will do a world of good for you. The most suprising thing about lex was when I got off and no anxiety or depression came back. It really managed to change the way I think after I stopped it which I don't think I can say about about another drug in this entire world (in terms of being alleviated of a disorder that had become part of my identity). You really do just forget how to be anxious/depressed its pretty fucking crazy imo.

Also, thanks sid, quasi and last hurrah for all the positive feedback. Quasi we talked on pm I'm glad to see you're hanging in there. Don't become a stranger lol.

I DID wind up taking sub today, I woke up and took .5mg and 2 hours later I was like "wtf", couldn't feel a change of anything even energy. Then I took another .5mg and the effect was pretty apparent at that point. Sub is a lot stronger then I thought. I didn't feel hi but I could not keep my mouth shut at all today. I had this very opiate familiar confidence but it was almost like when I had first started using pods.
I noticed my bodylanguage was much more relaxed, my respiration a tad depressed (more than I remember the pods doing but the pods have other advantages I suppose) and I finally got about a 12 hour boost of energy. I felt unstoppable to be honest. I quickly realized the abuse potential after the first use and I'm gonna taper asap. I just want smaller amounts for another day or 2 then I'll stop and see if my energy has stablized at all.
It got me through a long day of work and the gym with no problem at all but I can see how I'd wanna take it for wayy to long. I'll just taper (I know I can just stop) so I can see what its like to have energy for a few days. Then I'll do the rest of my stablizing off it and bring a couple on the boat I think.
It did work wonders for my mood more than anything so I think I wanna take 2 on vacation with me. I def do see the abuse potential though but at the same time I am using it for wds so I'm not gonna beat myself up about it. So obviously today was a good day. Now I get to see if sub will stablize my energy at all or just wind up delaying it. Whatever the case it'll at least be a few days to feel normal. But coping isn't so bad either so I plan on getting back to it asap.
 
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Sub is kind of weird if you're not used to it. It can give you quite a bit of energy like you described. When I first got prescribed them I had insomnia for the first month, but after a while they just made me tired and I need a lot more sleep when I'm on them. Any reason you decided to take it? Lingering WDs or was there something other than the lack of energy?

For whatever reason I've noticed that over the last few years it's a lot easier for me to get what I need off a smaller amount of sub. The times I was using the most was when I first got it and I don't think it was because my habit was at it's highest or I was over-prescribed.

Sub may be useful for an occasional use in the future now that you're off pods. I've noticed any of the times I've been clean, after a while I just feel a little off and then I do an opiate and I feel back in tune. Of course that relapse is usually with oxy or heroin and then it slowly snowballs back out of control. I'm hoping when I get off of suboxone and stay clean, but start to feel 'off', then maybe I can just take small doses of sub to get that mood lift and 'reset' feeling.
 
Hey guys. Yeah i think ill make a dr. appointment and try to get on anti depresssants. as far as sub i cant afford to go to another sub doctor so i will have to taper with the 40 subs i have left.......................
 
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