16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)

[lasthurrah19]

Hi Bojangles,

You're doing an excellent job, you are really an inspiration, and this thread is wonderful! Great harm reduction information. I've played around with the idea of getting some poppy pods for about six months, and although I can twist my mind to do anything, I think I'm way better off than I was with it because of this thread (in a good way - as in not going to order any pods). Thanks and keep it up. :D

 

[QuasiStoned]

Well fuck I'm down to my last 5 pods (should have been 6 but but of course one of the big ones was moldy). I was going to use up the last of my tea tonight because I'm sick. Instead I took 18mg of loperamide to see how that helps. It's been a while since I've used lope, I remember being impressed with it in the past so maybe once it kicks in I'll get some sleep tonight. I have some tea in the fridge that I'm saving for before work tomorrow.

After tomorrow I'm on vacation. I'm trying to save those 5 poppies just in case but it's taking all my willpower not to make it all tonight and drink the tea I have in the refrigerator too

The only negative about loperamide (besides not shitting which can be mildly problematic sometimes lol) is that I notice it takes a while to really kick in completely. For that reason I really think that it does in fact get to the opiate receptors in the brain, it just takes a few hours (and higher doses). It kind of sucks though when I'm sick NOW and want to feel well as soon as possible. Glad to hear it's working well for you Bojangles. Keep us posted.

I'll try to keep tabs on my withdrawals over the next 5 days but I'm going to be using phenazepam and if I'm really suffering I'm probably going to be spending the next couple of days in a benzo induced haze lol. I hope I'm at least with it enough to type coherently. I really think the benzo will help though, I used it a couple of months ago and it was excellent. Slept like a baby and took the edge off that awful restless feeling that I start to feel at the 36 hour mark.

 

[Bojangles69]

Well fuck I'm down to my last 5 pods (should have been 6 but but of course one of the big ones was moldy). I was going to use up the last of my tea tonight because I'm sick. Instead I took 18mg of loperamide to see how that helps. It's been a while since I've used lope, I remember being impressed with it in the past so maybe once it kicks in I'll get some sleep tonight. I have some tea in the fridge that I'm saving for before work tomorrow.

After tomorrow I'm on vacation. I'm trying to save those 5 poppies just in case but it's taking all my willpower not to make it all tonight and drink the tea I have in the refrigerator too

The only negative about loperamide (besides not shitting which can be mildly problematic sometimes lol) is that I notice it takes a while to really kick in completely. For that reason I really think that it does in fact get to the opiate receptors in the brain, it just takes a few hours (and higher doses). It kind of sucks though when I'm sick NOW and want to feel well as soon as possible. Glad to hear it's working well for you Bojangles. Keep us posted.

I'll try to keep tabs on my withdrawals over the next 5 days but I'm going to be using phenazepam and if I'm really suffering I'm probably going to be spending the next couple of days in a benzo induced haze lol. I hope I'm at least with it enough to type coherently. I really think the benzo will help though, I used it a couple of months ago and it was excellent. Slept like a baby and took the edge off that awful restless feeling that I start to feel at the 36 hour mark.

Just remember this about lope and pooping. When you're in withdrawals, you can take a large amount of lope and still have diarehea depending on how bad the wds are.
If you get the dose right you should be able to poop by day 2. If you can poop easily tommorow, (or even later in the day) you may wanna take that as a sign that you don't have enough lope in you.
At the amount you're at, it make take up to around 40mgs to really hold you. All I'm saying is don't give up on lope if you don't feel perfect tommorow, just take more untill you feel better.
I think it will help a lot, just play around with the dose till you find what works best.
I noticed the same thing about lope myself. I was trying to go to sleep a couple nights ago (was in somewhat annoying wds) and I had took the lope and layed in bed for another 2 hours not even feeling any improvement. I thought "lope sucks" and somehow managed to fall asleep. When I awoke in the morning I felt GOLDEN.
So lope def does take a while to kick in fully. But since I've first taken it I've felt 100% happy and normal. No ups and downs at all.

If you're not feeling AOK tommorow just take more. I REALLY believe enough lope will hold you fine. Those last few pods will hopefully not even matter tommorow, but take them however you please. Also realize this, if you take x amout of lope tonight, and it DOES hold you over tommorow, by day 2 your wds will slowly increase, which means you should increase lope initially to match the phase of wd. By day 3-4, you may need double the amount of lope you took on day 1 to hold you. But after day 4 start slowly dropping the lope.

We'll have to see how you feel tommorow to guage it better, but you have a couple of options. You can use this vacation to wd, then start lope at the end (or sub) of it. But if you start from day 1 you may wanna stay on lope for a couple weeks minimum. If you drop the lope at day 5 w/out tapering properly you'll prob be throwin into wds. Just throwing out random thoughts. If you wait till day 5 to take the lope, you can also most likely jump on a much lower dose and taper in only a week.
I'm not recommending any option over the other, I'm just giving you a few different ideas. DO WHATEVER FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE. And remember if you don't feel 100% tommorow take 10-20 more mg of lope and give it 3 hours or so. Don't worry about popping you'll be in wds so it will be a lot harder for the lope to fuck you up. If you were an avg person yeh that much lope could clog you for 3 days straight. I was very concerned about not popping untill I realized just because your in wds, you ARE gonna poop sooner then you think.

G/luck and post as soon as you can tommorow I wanna see how that amount of lope holds you.

 

[QuasiStoned]

^^^
Unfortunately it didn't hold me well at all. It's 4:39AM and I'm still awake, I caved in and used the last of the tea in the 'fridge. Don't get me wrong, the lope definitely helped. But it wasn't enough because I still had constant goosebumps and was yawning every 20 seconds. I feel relief now though. I took all the lope I had (total of 13 pills) but it wasn't quite enough. I felt maybe 1/2 of the way better.

I'm still going to stock up on it. Even if it only helps a little bit that's better than nothing

 

[Bojangles69]

^^^
Unfortunately it didn't hold me well at all. It's 4:39AM and I'm still awake, I caved in and used the last of the tea in the 'fridge. Don't get me wrong, the lope definitely helped. But it wasn't enough because I still had constant goosebumps and was yawning every 20 seconds. I feel relief now though. I took all the lope I had (total of 13 pills) but it wasn't quite enough. I felt maybe 1/2 of the way better.

I'm still going to stock up on it. Even if it only helps a little bit that's better than nothing

26mg? Yeh to be honest I didn't think that low would hold you. Just consider the fact that I matched 1/4 pod with 12mg to cover my all my wds. If you're last dose was 4 or 5 pods, you may actually need quite a good deal of lope. Because if you think about it, 6 lope just to cover 3gms is A LOT. You may need 40-50mg total to really feel fully covered (been getting mine from the dollar store they're cheap as fuck).
You can play around when you pick up more I guess. I skipped my lope last night to see how long it would actually hold be for, and of course I woke up with RLS. There wasn't much else going on but I took 10mg early this morning and I already feel back to where I was. To be honest I'll prob be taking the same lope dose you are in a couple days when I should start peaking in wds. And I'll prob need that much just to cover the peak. So don't be afraid to take double what you did for today.
If you wanna keep your bowels moving like normal you can also take a teaspoon of mineral oil as that will soften them up and make it much easier to go to the bathroom. I took a tinier amount last night and it was very easy to go the bathroom this morning. G/luck and keep us posted.

 

[missunderstood]

You all are my hero's, such an inspiration to me. It gives me self awareness. It is easy to forget who you are, and where you have been....My name is missunderstood and I am an addict...I have been thou hell and back. So yeah this is my reminder of what turmoil I have repeatedly caused myself. So I am feelin this. Peace

 

[unsettled]

I think it is really good that this thread is getting so much attention, it may save some people from some serious hell.

I actually first read about pods years ago on bluelight and ignored all warnings and ordered some cause I was really wanting some opiates and hadn't had any for a few months. I remember I invited a friend over to try them out with me, we weren't expecting much but I didn't want to try them alone. I was blown away, I'd had my first experiences with Morphine probably a couple years earlier and I immediately recognized the Morphine high after my first cup. I fell in love, I couldn't believe how easy they were to get and how cheap they were, I really thought I had found the best thing ever. But like most who respond so well to pods I became addicted to them and I still am, I can't say it's the worst thing that ever happened to me but the withdrawals are no joke. This shit is strong and should be looked at the same way all other heavy opiates are.

To anyone who is thinking about ordering some read the addiction and recovery section on poppies.org, and read this thread. As much as I dislike being dependent on pods, I'd rather be addicted to them then benzos, unfortunately I'm dependent on both, low doses but it sucks having to constantly make sure that you NEVER run out of either of these drugs because there is hell to pay. Both of these addictions really snuck up on me, I always knew that if I did pods too many days in a row I'd become dependent but I had no idea how all consuming it becomes when you run out or even get close to running out. The benzos are prescribed and I take them as prescribed for the most part but I had no clue how horrible the withdrawals are, honestly Doctors need to tell people the consequences of using daily.

Anyway, this thread is a great warning to any of you who may think "oh, I won't get addicted, I'll be the exception, my will power is stronger than these people's....." I don't know know that I ever thought that I wouldn't get addicted, I knew what I was getting into, I just had no idea how powerful and intense they were, the high and the withdrawals.

I don't think Pods are completely evil, I think people who use them responsibly for undertreated pain conditions or other conditions should have them available, people just need to be adequately warned of the potential dangers.

 

[missunderstood]

To the above this is the truth. This post has saved me from ANOTHER certain suiside mission. I am a recovery herion addict. As you said addiction is sneaky..it is a creeper..it was creepin about a year ago and I was almost getting ready to oder...I didn't have the money so it never happened. It had crossed my mind at times between now and then ,but I ran into Bojangles tapper post and felt the pain...I am telling you this thread has possibly saved my life.....Peace

 

[Bojangles69]

Day 17 LOG

Thanks guys for all the great posts, it inspires me so much to see other people avoiding my mistakes because of this thread.

Just when I thought things were going good, I just had too much loperamide I think.
Yesterday I woke up in no pain or wds, but I felt fat, bloated, and like I was retaining a TON of water in my face and body.
I noticed I've stopped losing weight from cardio, and its obviously the lope from fucking up my metabolism. So I'm not so happy about that.

But anyway, yesterday I took my lope in the morning trying to be different after skipping a night dose, and I got what felt like a migraine a few hours later. It was one of the most painful headaches I've ever had in my life, but it had other symptoms present that I can't even desribe. I was banging my head against walls, punching my head with my hand (cause it felt good at the time) I was getting dizzy at points and near fainting it seemed. Was flush and feeling like I was getting a fever.
But I think the headache honestly hurt so bad I would have chose actual wds over it.

So I took note that the lope is bloating the shit out of my body, which is most likely causing pressure in my head hense the headache.

Good news is at least I havent taken pods in 36 hours, I'm trying to see basically how long I can go w/out lope or pods. I do feel a bit flush right now, but its also hot as balls where I live so it could be the weather too.
I'm going to try to workout today because yesterday my headache wouldn't let me do shit, and I think as the lope wears off I'll be doing quite a bit of pooping (which I need I've ate about 8-9 meals in these last 3 days and pooped twice so far). I know theres food in my intenstines that needs to be expelled so hopefully by the end of the day with no loperamide it'll start clearing out.

I feel pretty decent, except I have 2 things changing right now. The lope is wearing off as I refuse to take it today due to yesterdays massive headache. And theres def always a chance withdrawals will resurface. If wds surface and they're bad I'll have to prob take a gram or 2 of pods so I can avoid the lope. But at this point its all about waiting to see how my body changes/feels. Lets hope for the best! Ok I'll be back later to update.

 

[missunderstood]

Hey Bo glad to see your post this morning I look forward to it. You sound a bit discouragedGood news is at least I havent taken pods in 36 hours....That is wondrful news just think this could be the worst day that you have to struggle thou. At least as far as this issue in your life. But I know what ya mean about them dreaded relapse of withdraw I know for me when I detoxed this last time it was with suboxone . I was in a rehab so it was a three day fast taper. I actually didn't take it when I felt I didn't need it, things were going good but a week later my legs started their kickin. But the good news was it only lasted two nights so for me and my failed attempts in the past was very happy about that. I had kicked it once before in the woods (literary) I moved to the middle of buttfuck america..Someplace that is sucluded and peaceful. It happened to me then also and I was only taking 2 mg of it I was baffled by the amount of disturbance that a little peice of a pill can cause to your body it is pretty powerful. But again it was not a long drawn out w/d. So don't project to far ahead it will be over soon...Keep it up Bo. p.s. did you get my P.M. concerning the oil rig tragedy? I have to go to work now so I will check back on you when I get in Have a good day ...Peace

 

[Bojangles69]

Hey Bo glad to see your post this morning I look forward to it. You sound a bit discouragedGood news is at least I havent taken pods in 36 hours....That is wondrful news just think this could be the worst day that you have to struggle thou. At least as far as this issue in your life. But I know what ya mean about them dreaded relapse of withdraw I know for me when I detoxed this last time it was with suboxone . I was in a rehab so it was a three day fast taper. I actually didn't take it when I felt I didn't need it, things were going good but a week later my legs started their kickin. But the good news was it only lasted two nights so for me and my failed attempts in the past was very happy about that. I had kicked it once before in the woods (literary) I moved to the middle of buttfuck america..Someplace that is sucluded and peaceful. It happened to me then also and I was only taking 2 mg of it I was baffled by the amount of disturbance that a little peice of a pill can cause to your body it is pretty powerful. But again it was not a long drawn out w/d. So don't project to far ahead it will be over soon...Keep it up Bo. p.s. did you get my P.M. concerning the oil rig tragedy? I have to go to work now so I will check back on you when I get in Have a good day ...Peace

Thanks A LOT misunderstood you've been another strong motivator for me with this taper.
I just got back from my folks house, I'm gonna log in again later and I'll respond to your pm then (just too out of it right now). Its odd though because we were just talking about the oil spill for like an hour at my families house. Curious to see what you said.

As far as how things have changed since this morning.. WOW, this fucking sucks. I KNEW I was gonna have some residual wds but this is more than I bargained for. Its NOTHING like cold turkey wds, I'm not feeling any hot flashes its basically just pain in my legs and this EXTREME fatigue. I think the fatigue is actually worse than the pain. I worked out like a beast too and ran, just because I know its what the poppies DON'T WANT me to do.
Fuck them. I can attest though running does moderate RLS and pain a little bit, because even though my legs were killing me as I was running after I took a shower it seemed to calm down a bit.

This is the end of it all so I guess I should have expected it. I'm wondering how Quasi is doing because I know he was wding this week too. I know that mfkr is hurting right now and I wish him the best.

I finally pooped 3 times though today, definitely because I didn't take any loperamide. I bought a huge box of prunes too and have been just chowing down on them, they're suppose to make you go to the bathroom a lot. I got 4 pills of diphenhydramine to see if maybe I can sleep tonight. I just got home 10minutes and took my kratom out, trying to get this nasty shit down now. Its like the 3rd time I've used it my entire taper but I can't take lope, I don't wanna take anymore pods, and its all I have for pain besides 4 tram which I'm saving for the peak.
I honestly can't say how things will change tommorow. I know from how I feel now, and not being close to peaks yet yet, that once I DO peak Im gonna be in pretty bad pain. So I may take .25mg sub tommorow. I honestly don't care, as long as I taper it down in 4 days I should be cool. The goal of this taper was a smooth ride and it was smooth right up untill now. I ran into problems a few days back and lope fixed them, then lope starting adding its own side effects (head aches/constipation) so I have nothing left if I can't tolerate wds. I know I can just sit home for 3 days and deal with them, but I can't sit home for 3 days or my brother will def know I'm using or somethings up.

I just pray I can sleep tonight and that when I wake up tommorow I'm not in a world of pain. I'll prob be back later to update again, this is the hardest time so I might as well post what I'm doing to get through it. bbl!

 

[bagochina]

Have you considered just hopping off cold from the pods at this point? I have been reading your posts here and I appreciate you posting updates, as sick as it sounds I do like reading stuff like this. I have never fuct around with pods but I hear the w/d's can be pretty bad from the opiate cocktail they contain. I would jump onto the bupe like you mentioned, your suffering will go down and once you get all the pods out of your system things will be easier.

Thanks for posting.

peace.
seedless

 

[Bojangles69]

Have you considered just hopping off cold from the pods at this point? I have been reading your posts here and I appreciate you posting updates, as sick as it sounds I do like reading stuff like this. I have never fuct around with pods but I hear the w/d's can be pretty bad from the opiate cocktail they contain. I would jump onto the bupe like you mentioned, your suffering will go down and once you get all the pods out of your system things will be easier.

Thanks for posting.

peace.
seedless

Thanks seedless!
And yes I jumped off the pods yesterday morning. I'm around hour 40 now w/out them. I wound up taking kratom a few hours ago and its holding me pretty well now actually. I didn't take loperamide today but it has to still be in my blood or something because it can't just be the kratom thats holding me over so well.

I have to say I've had 1 question this entire taper, at least a dozen times a day it went through my head which was "is this taper REALLY gonna make the jump off easy or am I regret having done it once I jump off?" and tommorow I will have an official answer to that question.
I've put everything I could into this taper for the last 17 days all really just for tommorow. I'll either wake up with minimal wds and will be able to tolerate it, or I'll be in pain and will wind up taking .25mg sub. Either way I'm there, and theres no going back to pods (not like I want to anyway). I just hope after all the minor withdrawing I've done these last 17 days, that theres not much left to do.

Whatever the case I'll update the second I wake up tommorow. Wish me luck!

 

[jake99]

.25 mg Sub wont hurt you ...........it would take awhile to build up enough sub in your system to w/d from it .
i still dont know best way for me to taper with my 40 or so Subs i have left. took 2 mg today and was ok until later in day started hurting , but i did work 3-11 on my feet all that time which is tiring . i can never tell if im just tired and depressed/anxiuos or if its withdrawls ., but i only have a few days off real opiates...........

 

[Carl Landrover]

.25 mg Sub wont hurt you ...........it would take awhile to build up enough sub in your system to w/d from it .
i still dont know best way for me to taper with my 40 or so Subs i have left. took 2 mg today and was ok until later in day started hurting , but i did work 3-11 on my feet all that time which is tiring . i can never tell if im just tired and depressed/anxiuos or if its withdrawls ., but i only have a few days off real opiates...........

Getting adjusted to 2mg is a good start. Since I believe you had been taking 2-4mg, there is going to be periods of discomfort as you adjust to a lower dose.

It makes it somewhat annoying, but have you thought about splitting up your dosing at all? I've been going through a sub taper myself, but whenever I'm on a daily dose I take something in the morning and then usually between 11-13 hours after that. I found it easier to taper to lower amounts by doing this, as I could take slightly less at either dose to help get my daily total down. Though the real reason I started splitting up the suboxone dose is because sub makes me tired and I started needing 10+hrs of sleep a day. Splitting it up made it easier to fall into a more regular time table.


It is annoying when you get to low amounts though. Since I can't really get to a lower dose than I'm at, I've had to work on making the 2 doses into 1 dose a day, and have been working on extending the time between doses. Tapering is always going to have some discomfort with it. You can't get around that. It's just a way to make it be slightly uncomfortable for a longer period instead of going through hell for a few days.

Thanks seedless!
And yes I jumped off the pods yesterday morning. I'm around hour 40 now w/out them. I wound up taking kratom a few hours ago and its holding me pretty well now actually. I didn't take loperamide today but it has to still be in my blood or something because it can't just be the kratom thats holding me over so well.

I have to say I've had 1 question this entire taper, at least a dozen times a day it went through my head which was "is this taper REALLY gonna make the jump off easy or am I regret having done it once I jump off?" and tommorow I will have an official answer to that question.
I've put everything I could into this taper for the last 17 days all really just for tommorow. I'll either wake up with minimal wds and will be able to tolerate it, or I'll be in pain and will wind up taking .25mg sub. Either way I'm there, and theres no going back to pods (not like I want to anyway). I just hope after all the minor withdrawing I've done these last 17 days, that theres not much left to do.

Whatever the case I'll update the second I wake up tommorow. Wish me luck!

Cool man, congrats on making it that far. I always considered the 36-72 hour area to be the worst. I've never used pods before, but from my understanding, the WDs typically last longer than other opiates, so you should be approaching the worst of it. Almost to the otherside now!

 

[lasthurrah19]

Bo, awesome fucking job man! I'm rooting for you. You're kicking ass right now, hell you've been doing it this whole taper. You're almost at the end. I know you're going to do it. Take care bud.

 

[missunderstood]

I am hoping for some good news from Bo today...great job. This post is my favorite.

 

[jake99]

i dont see why 2 mg should be that hard to be stable on when thats what i take most of the time except for alll mydope relapses . guess thats what messed me up

 

[Bojangles69]

Thank you SO MUCH Carl, Last Hurrah, Misunderstood, Jay, Quasi, Jake and EVERYONE else who was so supportive during this taper.

I have GOOD NEWS! The taper **WORKED** and not only did it work, it made the jump off easy as fuck. I actually didn't sleep even 1 minute last night, but it wasn't because I was suffering from wds or anything.
I've only had 1 continous symptom of withdrawal and its RLS. It was going late last night all the way untill now and hasn't really gotten worse or better, its just there as like a final sign that I've reached the other side! And even though it stopped me from sleeping, I'm not in any pain, I'm not having hot flashes, not having goose bumps or shivers, and believe it or not I'm not even really tired from not sleeping (which is weird but I feel very UP right now). I'm somewhere around 55-60 hours off and just knowing my body things will not get much worse at all. How I feel right now is VERY tolerable.

As long as its been since my last dose I don't see myself hitting any real "peak" or anything. Its so fucking weird that my hot flashes and goosebumps were worse when I was dropping from high doses, and continually got less and less till they went away completely towards the end of the taper.
I didn't deal with RLS though till the very end of this taper, and it usually came alone just by
itself like it is now. RLS is something thats very easy to deal with though, its the hot flashes, goosebumps, pain and fatigue I really hate. Because RLS isn't really a pain, as long as you keep your legs shaking its more then tolerable. I'm SO FUCKING HAPPY!!!! I'm not anxious or depressed. I don't wanna kill myself. I don't feel like I just went through a life changing experience (which getting clean usually is) and I really think I understand how this whole opiate thing works.
When you are tapering you really are slowly withdrawing at a speed that is tolerable. And by the time you get to the end theres not really a lot of wds waiting for you. Every bodys taper is different but the concept is the same.
I see a lot of people who taper taking occasional "breaks" and going back up above their last dose, and I also see a lot of people not really excercising on their tapers. But I have to give a lot of credit to me surviving the jump off because of those 2 things. I didn't take a single break or relapse and I think because I was ALWAYS dropping my dose, it always had me withdrawing enough so I could get most of the withdrawals out of my system by the end.

And exercise has to be HUGE. I lost 12lbs during this taper and SWEAT A LOT when I would work out. I'm confident that not only dose exercise help increase endorphins, but those endorphins also help to keep symptoms at bay.

And I think excercise helps you sweat out your drug so its not just hanging out in your blood all day keeping your receptors happy. I do believe exercise can speed up withdrawals simply because it moves doses out of your body faster. You'll feel better after you run, but 4 or 6 hours later you may start having symptoms when if you didn't exercise you wouldn't have them. I noticed this on days I didn't work out it seemed my doses would hold me for longer. But I don't want people to think they shouldn't excercise so they can get a few more hours from their last dose.
It does so much for your mood, keeps your blood pressure down, keeps you relaxed, and all around motivates you. But one of the biggest things it does is help RLS. If you can't stop kicking your legs go run for an hour, afterwards your muscles will be so exhausted the RLS will go away for a while. It also stops you from wanting to twitch and shake. There was times where I'd get weird sensations in my upper body (honestly it felt like "restless arms" or "restless neck") that felt just like the sensations you get in your legs from RLS. And I'd wanna shake my head or swing my arms to remove the energy from my muscls. But excercise helps that too. It really had to do a lot of good in this taper and I'm convinced of it.

Right now the RLS is going on but its very tolerable, and nothing else is really bothering me at all. I don't see anything getting worse I just see me having RLS for another few days and I'll do my best to run it into a dormant state later today. Although it'll most likely come back before bed.
The funny thing is I took 4 diphenhydramine to get sleep last night and I DIDN'T EVEN FEEL tired at all after taking them. It was like taking 4 tic tacs thats how useless they were. I think if you really wanna sleep with RLS you either gotta run like an hour before bed, or take some benzos. But both seroquel and diphenhydramine appear to be useless for sleep when you have RLS.
At any rate.. I honestly don't give a shit about RLS. Its a joke that its all I have to deal with and I'm very happy about that. The sex drive came back too, its very much out of control at this point as even the skankiest/trashiest girls I'm seeing are making me horny as fuck.
Its to the point where I could really care less what their face looks like lol, if they have a tight body (T&A + skinny) I just wanna tackle and hump them like a rabid bunny on crystal meth. Its also great to have my sex drive like this when I'm leaving for vacation in a couple weeks. I'm prob going to try to fuck every single girl I see on the cruise. I'll prob get thrown over the rail for being a pervert and drown. Nah lol but I am gonna try hitting on a lot of chicks.

So I guess I got my answer today. Tapers are MORE THAN worth it. Even though there was definitely sticky points, and some days did suck pretty bad, for the most part the taper was pretty painless and easy. Just in comparison to what it felt like last time going cold turkey we're talking the difference between someone pinching you, and someone hitting you over the head with a shovel.. repeatedly.

I guess this is it. I still wanna bump the thread for another week or so before I leave the country. Just so everyone knows I'm still feeling good and staying strong. And I still wanna do my summary/educational write up which will list the exact schedule I wound up doing and as many important facts as I can think of for someone doing a taper. I really learned a lot this time going through all this, and I wanna see if I can make someone elses taper even easier than mine.
I genuinely believe if you take 4 weeks to taper, and do it nice and paced you only will have very minimal discomfort, & the jump off will most likely be a breeze to do. My taper wasn't ideally how slow I would recommend someone else to go as I was trying to do this in a hurry for the trip. It obviously depends on the addict too, but I think a 2 week taper is leaning towards way too quick and 4 weeks would prob be closer to perfect. But I'll save that all for my summary write up.

I just can't thank you people enough! This is the first time I've ever voluntarily stopped an addiction and its one of the most empowering things in the world. Bluelight and everyone in this thread basically gave me a second chance at life and I have so much gratitude for that. I could never thank you guys enough, seriously. I'm on my way to having a life I may actually like one day, and one day I will def look back and remember all this.

-Bo

 

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You deserve it, cause you earned it. Your thread will help a lot of people, I think they should make it a sticky. I remember replying to your first post that you'd make it because you were so determined. Instead of being taking a shit load of trams everyday, you did the taper the way it should be done. I appreciate the info you shared about the lope. Happy for you.