16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)

[JayJohnson]

Hey Jake - since you have 8mg subs, and you dont' want to mess with liquid solution/syringe, the only option you have left in my opinion is to crush up and 8mg, chop it up, and seperate it into 8 equal piles.

Down the road when you are ready to do under 1mg at a time, start dividing those 1mg lines in equal parts. Start by using 2/3 of a 1mg line, then go to 1/2 of a 1mg line, then go to 1/3... you get the idea?

 

[jake99]

Yeah seems tough but right now im still at like 2-4 mg a day so its gonna be a little bit before i get to that poiint

 

[Bojangles69]

Not sure why some people are against syringes. Is that a temptation to shoot dope or something?

Because honestly I don't care how evenly you divide a sub 8 times, you are most likely dosing .7mg, 1.2mg, .8mg, etc. Its all going to be variations around 1mg, not 1mg exactly (well you will prob get a couple cuts close to 1mg but once you drop under 1mg your doses will be all over the place). Not to mention if you plan on jumping off at 1mg thats not that smart.
Like what Jay said will prob be your only choice, but the more divisions you do the further your measurements are gonna be off.
If I was tapering off subs myself I'd prefer to have a stable half life in my blood, not one thats jumping up and down all the time or its most likely gonna affect your mood.

By all means don't use syringes if you don't want. But its takes 2 seconds to do and you won't have to cross your fingers everytime you take a dose and just "hope" its the right amount. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as I thought, but sub is a powerful ass drug. Its prescribed in tiny amounts to people, and if your eye balling doses I'm just not sure thats gonna be enough to keep yourself stable. Whatever the case, you have options. And I don't really care what you or Carl prefers, if your comfortable splitting pills go for it. But if the lower you get, things start to get really up and down. You may want to resconsider using syringes to dose. Thats my last opinion about subs.

 

[Bojangles69]

O.K. here goes...I think that an angel lead me starlight to this thread..I was not gonna mention this but I am gonna because it is almost as if this was all meant to be. I have been clean from a NASTY habit of shooting dope now for 5 years. Now I am not gonna tell you that I haven't dabbled in a few hydro's or percs in this time but for the most part I consider myself on the right track. But I live in the middle of butt fuck america and their isn't too many "DEALERS" around. Well I had been reading (not on bluelight) about the affects of poppys and then I started surfing looking for a supplier....well at the time I had no debit card to place the oder so I just had not gotten around to it...dammit am I ever thankful I have ran into you Bo...it is your thread that has possibly made me stop and be sooo aware of what could be a whole nother round in the ring that I do not have in me, nor does my family. So I hate for it to be that thou your struggle, I was able to be stopped from another fight . So if it is any consolation to you to know you saved my life then my mission is complete at that this point...thank you and please stick around...Peace out

Thanks a lot bro this was quite possibly the coolest fucking post I've read in this thread yet.
Thats really something that wouldn't have stopped me at all to be honest. Because I tend to think just because other people fail at things doesn't always mean I will, and that winds up getting me in more trouble than less.

If you go over to the poppy forums you will notice its almost universal that they believe pods are the hardest opiate to get off of. When you see people trying to jump off LESS THAN a gm, and still getting terrible wds than going back, than trying to taper lower, than relapsing, than going cold turkey, than trying to kill themself.
You have people saying methadone takes longer, but methadones not a poly substance addiction like pods. I've seen people on day 10 of cold turkey wds still claiming to be at their peak of wds. Hot flashes every 5 seconds, vomiting up to 2 weeks later, stomach cramps, sweats, depression, panic, anxiety, pain ALL OVER your body, pods really are a nightmare to get off of. I'm sure realistically there has to be worse things to get off of. But I still think pods are worse than heroin wds. I mean its comparing methyl morphine to morphine, codeine, thebaine, papervine, and *48* other opiate alkaloids. Even though those alkaloids are present in lower amounts, some of the do nothing but have you withdrawing when you stop them. Like their in poppies just to make it that much harder to get off.
Regardless of how it matches up to other drugs I still say you're making a good decision.
Theres far too many horror stories about suicide and pod withdrawal that it really shows you how bad these little fuckers really are.

 

[JayJohnson]

^^^ I agree, but if he's opposed to using a syringe there is no other way that I can think of.

But yeah, sub is strong at low doses, and it's hard to measure those small amounts accurately.

Just so Jake knows, a syringe doesn't have to have a needle like the type used for IV'ing drugs. You can get milliliter `syringe` from a pharmacy, nothing shady, they're used sometimes for measuring medicine for babies.

BTW - Day 3 no sub, just a little kratom in the morning - and I feel GOOD. I was afraid to jinx myself yesterday and mention this, but there was a point where I felt like any opiate WD was just over. Like a fever broke or something. I do believe I'm in the clear!! Fuck yeah! Off pods and sub, what a great feeling!

 

[JayJohnson]

If you go over to the poppy forums you will notice its almost universal that they believe pods are the hardest opiate to get off of. ... Regardless of how it matches up to other drugs I still say you're making a good decision. ... Theres far too many horror stories about suicide and pod withdrawal that it really shows you how bad these little fuckers really are.

Fuck yeah - pod withdrawal is nasty. Best steer clear of getting on pods - opiates are bitch all around, pods are just another way to take in opiates. And the shit part is doctors don't really know about pods, so getting help from a doctor can be tough. They just don't get it, that you can nod off on pods, and be very physically addicted.

 

[Bojangles69]

Fuck yeah - pod withdrawal is nasty. Best steer clear of getting on pods - opiates are bitch all around, pods are just another way to take in opiates. And the shit part is doctors don't really know about pods, so getting help from a doctor can be tough. They just don't get it, that you can nod off on pods, and be very physically addicted.

/\ Yep absolutely agree.

Also I'm gonna do a 14day/2 week update later tonight. I actually discovered something thats helping me A LOT with wds. Or at least it did today. But I honestly feel like by taking only 6 loperamide last night I didn't even have to take my pod dose AT ALL today, even though I took 5gms just out of routine. I did NOT have this much faith in lope at all, so I'm very excited about this. I had taken only 2 lopes like a week back or so, and they didn't do anything. But 6 defintely appears to have a fairly strong affect at stopping withdrawals. And I'm curious if they can keep this up. I also here lope has a fairly long half life.

This is great because I'm gonna get a huge bottle from cosco, and start playing around with the idea of cold turkey. So far those 6 lope I took are putting Kratom to shame. I'll just have to wait 72 hours I think and see how it holds me over. But lope may honestly be my key to jumping off just from how happy I am with it today. This is really huge imo.

 

[Bojangles69]

Fuck yeah - pod withdrawal is nasty. Best steer clear of getting on pods - opiates are bitch all around, pods are just another way to take in opiates. And the shit part is doctors don't really know about pods, so getting help from a doctor can be tough. They just don't get it, that you can nod off on pods, and be very physically addicted.

I have to say also I tell SO MANY people I meet and get into random conversations with that you can buy opium online legally and they all look at me like I'm out of my fucking mind.
Even when you try to explain it they think you're just fucking with them. "Yeh I swear, if you have a credit card you can go online and have opium pods legally shipped to your house", who ever would have fucking thought?

How America never banned the sale of poppies I don't know. Im not even saying I think they should. But it just boggles my mind how you can order such a powerful opiate legally and its only illegal when you ingest it which noone is ever there to see. Like a police officer will actually arrest me and take me to jail for having a few marijuana leaves in my pocket, but for godsake I can have a car full of opium pods and if that pussy pulls me over I'm telling him I'm a "professional floral arranger" and hes not doing a single thing about it. If thats not the definition of ironic I don't know what is.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Hey Bojangles - Don't underestimate the power of loperamide. It can't hold over someone with a large tolerance but it can certainly suppress withdrawals. I've taken 10 lopes before while in full blown withdrawal and definitely felt relief. I'm going to stock up for next week.

 

[Draigan]

This strikes me as a productive thread!! Nice to see!

 

[missunderstood]

I want to clear my comment up. When I posted that " I was proud of Jakes dissension because for me not only had I been a hostage behind street shit dope to wearing 500 mg duragesic patches on my summer vacation so I could get a little sand between the crack of my ass without withdraw from 2 bundle a day habit. ( that summer vacation was miserable).But I was also addicted to that fuckin pin...Never left without...it became another monster under my bed(literary). Oh the shit that I get into ....but that is all I wanted to say. In the end I say more power to what works for you we all react different...just whatever the the decision just do it safely...peace..

 

[Carl Landrover]

Not sure why some people are against syringes. Is that a temptation to shoot dope or something?

Because honestly I don't care how evenly you divide a sub 8 times, you are most likely dosing .7mg, 1.2mg, .8mg, etc. Its all going to be variations around 1mg, not 1mg exactly (well you will prob get a couple cuts close to 1mg but once you drop under 1mg your doses will be all over the place). Not to mention if you plan on jumping off at 1mg thats not that smart.
Like what Jay said will prob be your only choice, but the more divisions you do the further your measurements are gonna be off.
If I was tapering off subs myself I'd prefer to have a stable half life in my blood, not one thats jumping up and down all the time or its most likely gonna affect your mood.

By all means don't use syringes if you don't want. But its takes 2 seconds to do and you won't have to cross your fingers everytime you take a dose and just "hope" its the right amount. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as I thought, but sub is a powerful ass drug. Its prescribed in tiny amounts to people, and if your eye balling doses I'm just not sure thats gonna be enough to keep yourself stable. Whatever the case, you have options. And I don't really care what you or Carl prefers, if your comfortable splitting pills go for it. But if the lower you get, things start to get really up and down. You may want to resconsider using syringes to dose. Thats my last opinion about subs.

Did you ever even use sub?

You're making it sound like it's impossible to eye-ball doses.

If you're off by .1mg it's not going to make or break your taper. You think pods have an equal amount of the various chemicals in each pod? I can't possibly see how grams of pods are equal from gram to gram.

Not sure why some people are against syringes. Is that a temptation to shoot dope or something?

I'm taking it you've never shot up either

BTW - Day 3 no sub, just a little kratom in the morning - and I feel GOOD. I was afraid to jinx myself yesterday and mention this, but there was a point where I felt like any opiate WD was just over. Like a fever broke or something. I do believe I'm in the clear!! Fuck yeah! Off pods and sub, what a great feeling!

Doesn't kratom still act on opiate receptors?

 

[jake99]

first of all i dont shoot , i sniff. and 2nd i didnt want to have to bother with measuring with syringes , sounds kinda tough.............anyway , i know i can break off 1 mg , and break it in half to .5 mg . so wouldnt i be able to take that every other day at the end and that would be like taking .25 ? jumping from .25 cant be that terrible

 

[Carl Landrover]

first of all i dont shoot , i sniff. and 2nd i didnt want to have to bother with measuring with syringes , sounds kinda tough.............anyway , i know i can break off 1 mg , and break it in half to .5 mg . so wouldnt i be able to take that every other day at the end and that would be like taking .25 ? jumping from .25 cant be that terrible

You have to adapt to those amounts before you can move down. So if you can adapt to .5mg everyday, after that just focus on taking smaller amounts.

If you can see how much .5mg is, it's not much harder to just chip off small amounts and make it .4mg or .3mg dose.

Don't get all hung up on getting things exact. Right now you should really just try to get comfortable on 2mg a day so then you can start working on getting down from there.

 

[missunderstood]

Take it slow as slow as you can Jake. I have faith in you that in the end of it you will do just fine..the needle thing is a real fucked up place for recovering addicts to go to in their mind to begin with, and then when others suggest that course of administration, well ,it happens to frighten us. See we know how destructive it can . So for others to suggest that path of administration it kinda makes ya shutter. I am sure it was suggested with good intentions but it still sends up a red flag..

You have to adapt to those amounts before you can move down. So if you can adapt to .5mg everyday, after that just focus on taking smaller amounts.

If you can see how much .5mg is, it's not much harder to just chip off small amounts and make it .4mg or .3mg dose.

Don't get all hung up on getting things exact. Right now you should really just try to get comfortable on 2mg a day so then you can start working on getting down from there.

 

[aparenz]

Let me clear up all of the confusion which somehow erupted. DO NOT INJECT THE SUBS!!!. READ THIS CAREFULLY.

We suggested a syringe... A syringe is a measurement tool which can be NEEDLE-LESS. I suspected that the user would be smart enough to take off the needle.

Let me make this clear now. You get a syringe, you take the needle off, you measure out a small amount of water which will be used as the SOLVENT to create a SOLUTION of the designated amount of subs. So if you were to dissolve 10 mg of subs into a 5 mL solution and you wanted to dose .1 mg, then this would be the equivalent of using .05 mL of solution which would only be feasible to measure by using a NEEDLE-LESS syringe.

For storing your solution i suggest to use a small container and then make sure that it is sealed tightly to stop moisture from entering the container. Store this in a cold dark, dry place like a refrigerator to stop moisture from destroying the active ingredient.

NOTE: Also be sure to remeasure the amount of liquid in the solution after adding the subs to the solvent to account for volume that the subs will occupy.

 

[jake99]

Im not a freakin chemistry guy . that is all complicated to me

 

[Bojangles69]

I majored in chemistry which is why I consider that one of the easiest things to do. Just think about the steps required to manufacturer a drug like ecstacy or speed (which is what I use to do), it makes standardizing sub a joke from that perspective. But I have to realize my level of "skill" might just be too high for some people to understand, so whatever. What aparenz said though did make sense to at least me. I was assuming the "take off the pin" would go w/out saying but at least someone cleared that up.

And yes Carl, it IS impossible to eye ball a dose. You can't see weight, you can only estimate it. Which is why I said that. I've shot myself in the ass, quads and shoulders over a thousand times easily and when I see a syringe I could care less. I wasn't shooting heroin though maybe it has some magical property that just takes away all your self control. I personally don't understand it no, you're not getting high from the needles its the heroin.

Thats almost like me wanting to eat my weed bowl when I run out of pot, which never happens. But I suppose heroin is so powerful that certain people just can't control themselves.

The LAST thing I'm gonna say about sub is this. I'm not sure what dose some of you sub addicted people plan on jumping off at. But most likely you're gonna wanna get as low as possible. Like .25mg. So tell me Carl how you plan on measuring .25mg with an 8mg pill (which is what jake has and most people who are on sub). You're REALLY gonna recommend people to cut that pill 32 times?
If its a 2mg of course its easier, but like I said thats not what Jake has. Cutting 1 sub pill 32 times is PREPOSTEROUS. I'm not getting any further into this conversation. I stated my opinion as a chem major. I use to dose speed and ecstacy by eye and I had people getting sick left and right when I first started doing that shit. Untill I finally started using liquids to standardize doses. Sure you can do it, but I don't understand why when you're:

1) Wasting more time trying to cut 32 even doses from 1 tiny pill
2) Most likely fucking up the doses at the same time

And jake. If you think dropping a pill in a bit of water is hard, wait till you take out a box cutter and start cutting your subs into pieces you can barely even see. I think the liquid idea is genius, Captain Heroin has vouched for it himself. So my position on this is clear and I'm finished.



Whatever, this is not a sub thread anyway, and its getting a bit off topic.

 

[aparenz]

I'm majoring in chem right now too =)

Been teaching myself organic chemistry this summer. I really like it for some reason (probably cause I like to improvise different drugs haha)

 

[Bojangles69]

Now day 14 ***2 WEEK*** LOG


This day was by far the BEST day of my entire taper. ALL PODS USERS LISTEN CAREFULLY.

Like Quasi said, I had GREATLY underestimated how fucking amazing loperamide is for the stage I'm at right now.
The end of this taper was getting harder by the day, untill I decided to take 12mg lope last night and wake up this morning with NO WDS AT ALL.

Dropping my dose accordingly I felt no "wearing off" later in the day.
I felt no hot flashes
No sweats
No pain
No anxiety
NO NOTHING

This has NEVER happened where I've gone a whole day without even a single hot flash. I fucking LOVE LOPE! I just wish other people have the same experience I have been having with it.
I was so worried about this part of the taper, and from just taking lope one time I feel like I might even be able to jump off for the weekend. I think I wanna skip my dose completely tommorow and just take lope and see if it can hold me over past the peak 72 hour mark.

I just can't get over that I felt 100% normal today. Worked for 6 hours doing lawn shit, then lifted weights for an hour, then ran 2.5 miles. Right now I'm golden. Anyone who thought lope was a joke like I use to (I really only thought it only worked for a few people) lope is the best thing thats happened to me this entire taper. And it lassssttssss sooooo longgggg. Almost 24 hours since I took it and I feel great.
So my hopes are through the cieling now. I'm standing on the edge of the diving board right now thats how close I am to jumping off.

I can say my ONLY worry is that I didn't shit today, and I ate 3 meals so I'm hoping I don't tear my butthole open next time I shit. I'm a bit worried I might not poop tommorow if I take 12mg again tonight. But between not pooping and dealing with wds, I'd def go with not pooping. I would appreciate though if anyone knows if this can cause something adverse to happen?

Like if I wind up taking lope for 3 days and don't poop, can that affect me negatively in some way? I'm going to buy a massive bottle of lope tommorow, I have like 30 left but I need to figure out how to make myself go to the bathroom. I'm exercising and eating a lot so I need to make sure food is passing through. Maybe I should wash the lope down with a swig of mineral oil? Just to loosen up the bowels? And advice on this would be appreciated.

THANK YOU god and bluelight for lope... wow what a fucking savior. If tommorow is like today I'm jumping off for good sat... fuck it.