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http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/scimedemail/la-me-rave-death-20100630,0,5474039.story?track=rss

By Rong-Gong Lin II and Sarah Ardalani, Los Angeles Times
June 30, 2010

A 15-year-old girl died Tuesday of a suspected drug overdose after attending a rave over the weekend at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum that had a minimum age requirement of 16.

The girl, identified by family members as Sasha Rodriguez, was one of two rave attendees who were in critical condition at California Hospital Medical Center after the 14th annual Electric Daisy Carnival.

As Sasha's family decided whether to remove her from life support Tuesday, her mother, Grace Rodriguez, told the CBS Evening News: "I was supposed to be planning her Sweet Sixteen party. Now I have to plan her funeral."

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Sasha, who lived in the Atwater neighborhood, died shortly before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday, according Katreena Salgado, a spokeswoman for the hospital.

She and the other critically ill patient had been taken to the downtown Los Angeles hospital by ambulance directly from the venue, officials said. Both were treated for drug intoxication in the intensive care unit.

"She came in as an emergency patient from the rave. She was in respiratory arrest when she got here, and she never recovered," said Salgado, who said Sasha was in a coma and experienced multiple organ failure.

Outside California Hospital Tuesday night, friends and family said that when Sasha was found, she did not have identification.

"Obviously they didn't check IDs," said Eva Rodriguez, Sasha's godmother.

Doctors told Sasha's family that she had the drug ecstasy in her system when the ambulance got her to the emergency room.

Kimberly Keith, a family friend, said Sasha's loved ones are still trying to figure out what happened. Although they knew Sasha was going to her first rave, Keith said, drug use was "not her character."

When they got the call that Sasha had been taken to the hospital, they had no idea how serious her condition was.

"We were almost like joking, 'Oh she's going to be in trouble. I can't believe she went there!' " she said. Keith said they thought maybe the rave was "too packed, she was excited and passed out.... Never in a million years would we would have imagined" drugs.

A 16-year old friend who was with Sasha at the rave said Sasha was dancing, got hot and began quickly drinking cold water.

Doctors said "her sodium, electrolytes were so low that when she started replacing them so quickly [with cold water], ecstasy messes up your body's ability to process that, so it threw her body out of whack," said Keith.

Sasha passed out, hitting her head on the floor. The friend who was with her tried to shield her body but told her family that the venue was so crowded, people stepped on them.

"We've got kids in inappropriate situations that are dying," Keith said. "That's a city-, state-, county-owned building. They throw it, they rent it, yet they fill it full of minors in a setting where everybody knows what a rave is about. Where's the accountability?"

On Monday, Dr. Caitlin Reed, a physician from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on assignment with the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said she was at the rave on both days and did not see anyone checking identification.

"I didn't see any ID being checked at the entry point," Reed said. "This was an all-ages event. There were many, many younger teenagers present."

Pat Lynch, who manages the Coliseum, was stunned to learn of the death Tuesday.

"Oh, no. Oh, my God," Lynch said. "I don't know what to say. That's just terrible."

When asked how a 15-year-old was able to get into the event when the minimum age for entry was 16 without a legal guardian, Lynch said he needed to investigate.

"I'm at a loss," Lynch said. "Sixteen is what the promoter requested, and I just don't know."

Dr. Brian Johnston, the emergency room medical director at White Memorial Medical Center, called the death tragic. Johnston is among doctors who have said that raves at the publicly owned facility put people at risk. He believes that such parties should no longer be permitted at the Coliseum, which was built on state land and is under the authority of a joint city, county and state commission.

"I think it's tragic when a 15-year-old girl dies in this way as a result of a public policy that put her at risk," Johnston said. "Can you imagine explaining that to her parents?"

Barry Sanders, president of the Coliseum commission, issued a statement Tuesday expressing "dismay and deep sadness on the death of the young woman."

Sanders said he plans to call a special meeting of the commission to review all criteria required for organizers using the venue.

Pasquale Rotella, founder of Los Angeles-based Insomniac Events, the company that organized the event, did not respond to a request made through his publicist for comment.

The event, held Friday and Saturday, drew about 185,000 people to carnival rides, five stages and performances by Moby, Will.i.am, Steve Aoki and Deadmau5. About 120 required transport to local hospitals, mostly for drug intoxication.

The volume of patients in need of hospital care led several emergency room physicians on Monday to call for an end to raves at the Coliseum.

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Systems agency, said Monday that officials treat raves at the Coliseum like a "multi-casualty incident," which she said was similar to planning for a disaster like the Chatsworth Metrolink train crash, which killed 25 and injured more than 130.

Tuesday's death was the latest in a string of high-profile problems at raves at public venues. Earlier this year, at least 18 drug overdoses tied to ecstasy were reported at a New Year's Eve rave at the Los Angeles Sports Arena, next to the Coliseum. And two men died of suspected drug overdoses during a Memorial Day weekend rave at the Cow Palace in Daly City, south of San Francisco.

Although many partygoers consider ecstasy to be safe, doctors and researchers warn that the drug, also known as MDMA, can cause high blood pressure leading to stroke. The hallucinogen can also trigger seizures, releasing toxins that cause kidney failure.

"There are multiple mechanisms through which ecstasy can cause death," Reed said earlier this month when a CDC report she co-wrote on the overdoses at the New Year's Eve rave was released.

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Wow, 15 years old, that is horrible to hear. In my opinion all these raves should be at least 18+ with ID strictly enforced. As much as I love raves, some of the things you see go on is sickening. It is not cool seeing 14 year olds rolling. It is just too damn easy for young kids to get their hands on drugs they shouldn't be touching. At the last one I went to I saw this girl who looked around 15-16 damn near about to pass out standing and her friends were around her just chuckling "you shouldn't have eaten 5".
 
I hate how the story blames MDMA when they clearly specify that she took an "e" pill which could have had basically anything in it.

And what is a 15 yr old doing raving anyway? I know I'm in the minority but I never tried anything recreational (even pot) until I was over 21.
 
Wow, 15 years old, that is horrible to hear. In my opinion all these raves should be at least 18+ with ID strictly enforced. As much as I love raves, some of the things you see go on is sickening. It is not cool seeing 14 year olds rolling. It is just too damn easy for young kids to get their hands on drugs they shouldn't be touching. At the last one I went to I saw this girl who looked around 15-16 damn near about to pass out standing and her friends were around her just chuckling "you shouldn't have eaten 5".

How old are you, and why are you allowed to eat MDMA but not a 14 year old? What's not cool about that?
 
I hate how the story blames MDMA when they clearly specify that she took an "e" pill which could have had basically anything in it.

And what is a 15 yr old doing raving anyway? I know I'm in the minority but I never tried anything recreational (even pot) until I was over 21.

Some female friends of mine have been drinkin Everclear and eatin LSD since they were 12.
 
How old are you, and why are you allowed to eat MDMA but not a 14 year old? What's not cool about that?

Where exactly would you draw the line Coolio? Should we let 10 year olds smoke crack?

I for one developed a pretty unhealthy infatuation with MDMA after I first took it, aged 17. Looking back I'm pretty glad I never found a reliable link for it, or things could have got quite messy. Lord knows what could have happened if I'd had free access to MDMA aged 14 :\
 
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Another sad reminder that although MDMA can be great fun it (or your actions on the drug) can lead to death.

It does sound like she wasnt staying hydrated properly and then tried to overcompensate by drinking too much too quickly. (which only happened due to her consumption of a pill/s)
 
I hate how the story blames MDMA when they clearly specify that she took an "e" pill which could have had basically anything in it.

And what is a 15 yr old doing raving anyway? I know I'm in the minority but I never tried anything recreational (even pot) until I was over 21.

True E pills could have anything in them but the General Public (GP) doesnt understand let alone care about these chemicals as long as they bring the focus on MDMA. i mean by the time the toxicology report comes aroud it's already been talked about enough so nobody cares any more. i personaly thing it's important to understand all of the possabilities but then concentrate on the more likely causes.
 
Where exactly would you draw the line Coolio? Should we let 10 year olds smoke crack?

If a 10 year old was curious I don't see why not. I can't imagine a 10 year old figuring out how to afford a habit. If they were mature enough to come up with the money I don't see why they should be restricted from smokin some crack rocks.
 
If a 10 year old was curious I don't see why not. I can't imagine a 10 year old figuring out how to afford a habit. If they were mature enough to come up with the money I don't see why they should be restricted from smokin some crack rocks.


we need to guide the youth homie, show them the way. i know if wen i was young if a vet like myself spoke, i would have listen.
 
we need to guide the youth homie, show them the way. i know if wen i was young if a vet like myself spoke, i would have listen.

I don't think anyone is ever going to be telling 10 year olds it's a good idea to smoke crack. There's a difference between showing people the way, and legally prohibiting something and sending armed law enforcement officers to arrest and imprison anyone who violates said prohibition.
 
How old are you, and why are you allowed to eat MDMA but not a 14 year old? What's not cool about that?

I see a few things wrong with it.

I am over the age of 18, considered a legal adult. I have made the educated decision to use MDMA for recreational purposes in a responsible and reasonable matter. These kids know next to nothing about the drug, go to a rave and chomp down multiple untested pills, then have no idea of the impact MDMA can have on your bodies ability to control and regulate temperature or hydration levels. This is a given that they get MDMA and not some other potentially more harmful and less researched drug.

This also goes without mention, that at age 14 your brain is not fully developed. Taking something like MDMA at that age could be much more harmful than if they would have waited.

Bottom line, its not ok for kids to be doing drugs like this. At 14 you do NOT know what is in your best interest even if you think you do. Raves are no places for kids.
 
I see a few things wrong with it.

I am over the age of 18, considered a legal adult. I have made the educated decision to use MDMA for recreational purposes in a responsible and reasonable matter. These kids know next to nothing about the drug, go to a rave and chomp down multiple untested pills, then have no idea of the impact MDMA can have on your bodies ability to control and regulate temperature or hydration levels. This is a given that they get MDMA and not some other potentially more harmful and less researched drug.

While this story does seem to demonstrate that this girl did act as you describe; there's no evidence to back your claims up here. Why do you think YOU personally know more than ALL of the 14 year olds in the world about MDMA? You do realize that at 14, there are plenty of kids who want to become scientists and have a grasp of chemistry and biology that you NEVER will, right?

I was programming computers when I was 4. Kids are smart. If you don't keep them in a state of ignorance (often mistaken for the fallacious concept of 'innocence') they can make decisions too.

This also goes without mention, that at age 14 your brain is not fully developed. Taking something like MDMA at that age could be much more harmful than if they would have waited.

No it doesn't 'go without mention'; specifically, what areas of your brain aren't fully developed and in what ways do they develop between 14-18 and how do those ways help 18 year olds make better decisions? Can you explain this to me, or are you just relying on false assumptions?

The 18 year old brain isn't anywhere nearly 'fully developed'. Nor is the human musculoskeletal system. The human brain develops and adapts during the course of an entire lifetime. The musculoskeletal system tends to develop well into the 20s, sometimes the 30s. The idea that the brain 'stops developing' or new neurons stop being generated around the age of legal adulthood is a long standing myth.


Bottom line, its not ok for kids to be doing drugs like this. At 14 you do NOT know what is in your best interest even if you think you do. Raves are no places for kids.

Raves were MEANT for kids; they've always been the youngest party demographic. Where do you think the "kandy kid" aesthetic comes from? Raves are for young people; the literally young, and the young at heart.
 
While this story does seem to demonstrate that this girl did act as you describe; there's no evidence to back your claims up here. Why do you think YOU personally know more than ALL of the 14 year olds in the world about MDMA? You do realize that at 14, there are plenty of kids who want to become scientists and have a grasp of chemistry and biology that you NEVER will, right?

I was programming computers when I was 4. Kids are smart. If you don't keep them in a state of ignorance (often mistaken for the fallacious concept of 'innocence') they can make decisions too.



No it doesn't 'go without mention'; specifically, what areas of your brain aren't fully developed and in what ways do they develop between 14-18 and how do those ways help 18 year olds make better decisions? Can you explain this to me, or are you just relying on false assumptions?

The 18 year old brain isn't anywhere nearly 'fully developed'. Nor is the human musculoskeletal system. The human brain develops and adapts during the course of an entire lifetime. The musculoskeletal system tends to develop well into the 20s, sometimes the 30s. The idea that the brain 'stops developing' or new neurons stop being generated around the age of legal adulthood is a long standing myth.




Raves were MEANT for kids; they've always been the youngest party demographic. Where do you think the "kandy kid" aesthetic comes from? Raves are for young people; the literally young, and the young at heart.


I did not say I was smarter than all 14 year olds in this world, hell I'm sure somewhere there is an 8 year old with greater intelligence and brain function than half this forum. Let's think logically for a second. While there are 14 year olds with the brain capacity to reason well, more often than not, these are not the kids attending raves. I am not basing my argument on a hypothetical theory that all kids are dumb, just what I have seen with my two eyes from attending raves.

Sure, I'll bet somewhere there is a raver that age that researches the good and the bad, along with testing their pills. But let's face it, they are the minority. The majority of these kids don't know what they're getting into. Uneducated ravers can be any age, although the main discussion here is the youngest part of the crowd.

As for the brain, actually I can explain. The prefrontal cortex is still maturing during these years, this part of the brain plays an important part in the type of decision making we are discussing. For quick reference I'll back that up with some info from wikipedia.

The most typical psychological term for functions carried out by the prefrontal cortex area is executive function. Executive function relates to abilities to differentiate among conflicting thoughts, determine good and bad, better and best, same and different, future consequences of current activities, working toward a defined goal, prediction of outcomes, expectation based on actions, and social "control" (the ability to suppress urges that, if not suppressed, could lead to socially-unacceptable outcomes).

I am also well aware new neurons are produced into old age. That is not the only factor.

Raves may be meant for kids, but that doesn't make them safe.

Edit: Aside from the obvious health risks associated, if you think its morally ok for a 10 year old to be smoking crack and a 14 year old to be using ecstasy, I really don't know what else to say. I've heard of open minded but that's going too damn far.
 
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god, this is wrong on so many levels.

it makes the scene look bad.

she was 15! wtf were her parents thinking letting her go to a rave at that age!? they clearly are not practicing good parenting skills, imo. and further, i hate seeing teenagers at raves.

i do however think, that out of 185,000, only one death isnt that bad. sad to say.

and i hate that it was a 15yr old girl. i mean do you think if it were a 30yr old man, the media would have put it on blast like that (interviewing fammily and friends and doctors, etc.)

i mean i think it were a 30yr old man the media would have just stated, 18 hospitalized and 1 dead.

however, i do think that the coliseum is no longer the best place for edc. i would much rather it go down in indio, personally.

i like this scene, and i hate seeing it get ruined, from so many angles.

just my opinion.
 
Re-read what thread we're in here.The fact is it still is unhealthy for a 14 year old to be using MDMA. This whole discussion is focused on youth.

Hopefully you'll come up with something other than circling around the question or hypothetical babble. I'm starting to think you are just a troll.
 
I can't figure out why a 15 year old was even at EDC. The official word from Insomniac was that the event was 16-and-over. This incident looks really bad for the promoter, and adds to my frustration that they seriously oversold the event to begin with. Since parents don't seem to understand the dangers, maybe these events should be made 18+.
 
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