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15 8MG Suboxone - you think it's enough?

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so, I went 5 months "clean" when using Suboxone from August to February/March. I started at 16MG/day and dropped down to 4/MG before making the move back to opiates (G+ of H a day).

I have 15 8MG bupe's left and wondering if anyone has made a taper w/ such a limited amount? what did your schedule look like? how much "suffering" is actually involved?

I also have the money to buy more dope, if need be, to help w/ the taper.. if that makes sense.. does it?

Wondering how many others on here had a quick 2-3 week cycle/taper!? I am not the type to ask if I honestly didnt WANT/COULD do it. I've been using long heavy again for the past month or two, and realized I had enough. sure, we've all heard that before and said that before.. but fuck it.. let me say it AGAIN! ha.

I ended up coming back to H because I had a few slip up's towards the end of my bupe cycle and was also sick of going to the clinic weekly to see the Dr., go to the meetings, etc.. so I used those all as an excuse to slip up and get back on the dope. at first I wasnt using daily but it eventually lead to that. anyway, "using" to me is nothing at this point. it doesnt do ANYTHING it once did, or at least when I believed it to do, at one point in time. so I truly do feel like I am ready to give up. however, I do not have time to take off from work, check into a rehab, etc. so this has to be done w/ what I have at home.

so to those out there who have been down a similar road before, please help a brotha out.

what will I need!? here's what I bought/have so far but have yet to actually make the move, which I plan on starting tomorrow or Monday.

I have 15 Suboxone
Stool softeners / other stomach pills
xanax (helps me sleep / general anxiety for those of us who have been through withdrawals before)
multivitamins

what else am I missing or could I use?

HAS ANYONE USED PHENIBUT TO HELP W/ WITHDRAWALS? I never used to help w/ withdrawals but I've used Phenibut enough times where I feel that may be a good drug to "help" get through something like this. anyone else every try it?

any help is appreciated. I work your typical 9-5 gig, Monday-Friday, so take that into consideration.
 
Hey BBT.. good to see you again. phenibut can help a great deal. But I think the overall consensus is that neurontin or lyrica will work better. but one of those drugs you will likely find the best relief. As far as tapering I just could never do it. but since bupe has the hela long half life I think the best way to tapper, if you had a bunch I would say drop as much as you can deal with every ten days... but with that amount I would find out how little you can deal with and then come up with a taper with that amount that drops you every five days. You will likely be able to stand much higher drops if you can score some neurontin, lyrica, or phen. You got this.. you know whats coming just have to grin and push on.

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal
 
>snip<

given what I had just told you, what would be the best cycle? again, I only have 15 8MG bupe.. so it's not many.
 
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What is the lowest dose you can get to that will still be tolerable in five days as the half life works out?

EDIT: I can't as I have never taken it. But if it seemed of good quality when you have used it in the past it should be golden right.
 
I tapered once with 10 8mg suboxone but after the last dose I had a hard day of mild withdraw. I did however relapse sense, so take that with a grain of salt. Also, I tried the "using a little dope to taper" thing too, that's a bad idea, I can certainly tell you that. Hope you do well. :)
 
lol, I figured using "a little dope" to help is never a good thing.

how bad was your habit when you used 10 8MG subs to taper? how long did you run it for? how did your cycle look? did you use anything else? xanny to help sleep or relax? stomach pills? phenibut? anything?
 
Boston,
Happy Patriots Day.
There's a new thread in OD called "rapid bupe taper" that you should check out. If your mind is set on accomplishing your goal then you really don't need more than 8mg suboxone over 4/5 days.

Check it....
 
120mg bupe should be more than enough for a relatively painless detox from a gram of H, expect some pain though.

When I'm doing my detox I'm being given a new technique. I'm having my system flooded with bupe on entry with a big dose then cut off completely dead the long half life drains the bupe out of the body slowly. When the wd symptoms kick in they use NMDA (which controls the flow of adrenaline responsible for a lot of wd symptoms) and various sedatives to deal with them. Sounds horrific but I've spoken to a few people who have done it and they said it was pretty easy so I'm willing to give it a go. Saves the constant yo-yoing up and down between feeling ok and feeling shitty.
 
That's just not realistic if you have a habit of any size whatsoever I'm afraid. Totally impossible really unless your habit is tiny and you have lots of meds for coping.

I'm sorry to break it to you but you will probably need to take some time off work, even if you have the strength to go through with work you will look like utter shit I'm afraid.

What sort of size habit have you got?
 
gram a day or so. not that bad, is it? I've broken habits just as bad before.

I have 15 8MG bupe; I have 20+ 1MG xanny and I will pick up whatever I need from the local pharmacy to help w/ the stomach, etc.

my plan is to move from dope to bupe quickly; understanding there will be a hit and things will def suck, it will help ease at first. from there I will go bupe to NOTHING and plan on taking a long weekend and have my last small bupe dosage on a Thursday morning and ride out Friday/Sat/Sun and so on w/ nothing and see how it plays out from there.

make sense to anyone else? I know I didnt get too in-depth there but I am sure if you have done something like this before you kinda have the idea. anyone got any ideas/suggestions w/ regard to dosage? I plan on starting w/ 8MG for a few days and quickly making a drop and will have a final dosage of 2MG and just go blank from there. I know there is also the option to ride out .25 or however low it can get; I've read it many times before but I feel that is just wasting time.

just shot a half G as I write this; of course I missed the vein toward the end of the plunge and a small bubble now; must be a way of the dope saying GOODBYE and YOU WONT MISS ME!

truly feel I had enough; but I have another 3-4G's left so I might as well ride it out and start fresh on Monday, right? or is that the SICK addict speaking? ha. a little of both.. or maybe all the addict. reality is, those 4G's wont even last till Monday; SHOULD/COULD easily be gone by Friday.
 
You want to wait until you are feeling withdrawal before taking any bupe otherwise you risk being thrown in to precipitated withdrawal, which you really do not want.

Everyone's different but I wouldn't want to do a detox from a gram of smack a day whilst working. Thinking about it though, the controlled dhc detox I did whilst in treatment (which was from a gram of smack IV a day) I could have worked through but I wasn't in control of my own meds then, and I wouldn't have been able to control myself and stick to the taper if I was. If you can then maybe I'm wrong and you'll be able to ride it out whilst working.

I wouldn't fancy it but if you think you can control the taper then more power to you, go for it.
 
wow, walked into GREAT news today!

I will have the entire week of the 5th to the 9th off. well, I am NOT OFF but have the ability to work remote! that's a great time to sit in and withdraw! that's the new game plan. and until then, I will slowly down the dosage and just to kick COLD TURKEY over the course of that week.

do you guys think that is my best way to go? or should I make the switch to Suboxone tomorrow and then ride it out till the beginning of that week and kick it from there?

as of now I am doing about a gram of a day of dope. I stopped shooting and went back to sniffing just to stop the "hurt". figuring this will be an easier way to kick.

Omen - I NEVER had any issues w/ precipitated withdrawals. I've read about it over and over.. but was never an issue. I've used bupe 8 hours after my last dosage before and had no problems. however, since I am going for a complete QUIT I will give it 24hrs this time around. my withdrawals dont even hit me till the 18-36 hour mark.
 
Yea some people don't seem to be as susceptible to precipitated withdrawal as others I know some people who tool sub 24 hours after smoking heroin and igot so dam sick but me I've shot up heroin at noon then at 2 o'clock a couple hours later I've take 2mg sub and never had any symptoms besides feeling a strong buzz added to the heroin.

I recommend using your time off to just straight up detox off all the opiates I think with some will power you could do it.just get it over with while you can instead of prolonging it. I mean if you can't then I think the sub taper is the next best option but do it rapidly unless you've been on it a long time doing a slow taper only adds to the discomfort when you jump off the sub cause you get addicted to sub. When I go into detox they usually start everybody on 4- 8 mg or 12 mg depending on how much they need then they do the same dose again the day after then the 3 day you taper by 2 mg to 6 then the next day 4 then 2 then 1 then nothing. I've done this a few times coming off a 8 ball a day habit of pure China white which usually dam near kills me when withdrawaling cold turkey with hellish w/D's that last a month without letting up or giving me a chance me sleep but with the sub taper in detox instead of hell on earth I felt pretty dam good the whole time then after 1 mg I was even very sick after jumping off I was able to return to work I mean hell I could have worked through the whole thing if I had sub's at home I didn't need to be in a detox facility I felt fine. I thought sub's were a miracle drug when they came to Canada 2 years ago before that detox was hell with only clonadine and Valium to ease w/D's.
 
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BostonBrownTown said:
wow, walked into GREAT news today!

I will have the entire week of the 5th to the 9th off. well, I am NOT OFF but have the ability to work remote! that's a great time to sit in and withdraw! that's the new game plan. and until then, I will slowly down the dosage and just to kick COLD TURKEY over the course of that week.

do you guys think that is my best way to go? or should I make the switch to Suboxone tomorrow and then ride it out till the beginning of that week and kick it from there?

as of now I am doing about a gram of a day of dope. I stopped shooting and went back to sniffing just to stop the "hurt". figuring this will be an easier way to kick.

Omen - I NEVER had any issues w/ precipitated withdrawals. I've read about it over and over.. but was never an issue. I've used bupe 8 hours after my last dosage before and had no problems. however, since I am going for a complete QUIT I will give it 24hrs this time around. my withdrawals dont even hit me till the 18-36 hour mark.
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Great news. I would make the switch to bupe at an appropriate time so you can gently taper down a little on it before going for the cold turkey on your week 'off'. Should make the process a little bit less painful as you will have tapered a bit already, the bupe will drain out of your system a lot slower than the smack making the withdrawal less intense and you will have already stopped the whole IVing ritual.
 
guys/gals,

I plan on making my "stop" come this Friday; do you think I should transfer to my Subox before I do or just cold turkey the dope? I already blasted a gram today, so today is out of the question. I have ALL OF NEXT WEEK OFF FROM WORK, which is why I am taking my chance NOW! I want Thursday to be my last shot/try, or maybe just my last Subox dosage. what do you guys think?

the dope fiend in me keeps saying.. "just use the dope till Thursday, makes no difference".. but the normal me says, "switch to bupe now, it will make the transfer easier".

what do you guys think? yes, I still WANT TO USE.. but I am lucky enough to have next week as a week to work remote and give this dope kick a true SHOT.. I've done it before and I can do it again, but not sure what my best way to approach.

Remember.. I do have..

benzos (for sleep during my kick)
phenibut (for overall better feeling and also sleep - look it up if you dont know it)
weed (always love weed)
NyQuil (sickness and sleep)
Vitamins (no clue why but why not?)

what else? I am EXCITED to give this kick a shot.. but let's see.
 
Make the transfer.

The long half life of bupe will mean the transition to no opiates in the system will be smoother and afaik the couple of days with a lack of agonism at the mu receptor that you will have put in the bank will make things easier too. I'm not 100% on that second bit though, if someone recognises it as wrong please correct me.
 
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