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Bupe 12 mg of subutex and still wd

Vajeeh, thanks for the tips for the subutex use. I normaly let it dissolve under my tongue and keep swallowing the saliva.
I am beeing very weak, even in the day i wrote this thread, it was nothing i couldn't handle.
Today i made the wrong choice, once again. I will give myself one more chance, if i fail i will have to come clean with mjy friends/family and ask for help, i will make some people suffer and probably loose my closest female friend, and the woman i love, for i am lying to her for 5 months... she thinks i got myself clean at that time. My family will suffer a lot as my friends will to. But i cannot do this for myself, need professional help.... just one more try (tomorrow)....
 
shroomster said:
That's awful, man. I was dosing about half a gram per day for a couple of weeks and that scared me. I can't imagine using so much dope - not because it sounds undoable (it's way too easy to do, IMO), but because the strain on finances, relationships and motivation to do life would be washed away completely for me. The scary part about opiates is that increasing the dose and/or frequency of dose happens so rapidly and for many of us, functioning on opiates is easy and fluid, perhaps even easier. It's only when the money, sources or strained relationships begin to culminate that life starts falling apart, and it falls a part FAST
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Yeah man thats happened to me too many times. I had no motivation in life to do anythig except more dope.
 
How are you doing OP? I failed again, and went back to Oxy after 5 days on subs. For me it seems that once the physical symptoms start to subside as I level out on subs, that is when the mental aspect becomes a real bitch. Nothing to do but try again.
 
hi harrisment, yes don't give up. I also failed. Today was my second day, but i'm doing h right now. I toke 16mg of sub yesterday, but wake up wd. Now i only have 20mg of sub and 2 tramadols. I spend my last money. It's going to be though
 
Is your withdrawal physical or psychological?

Do you feel the heroin on top of the subutex?
 
I don't feel it much. but i was feeling some physical wd and it stoped.. i smoked 1,5 grams, it was i waste, i should only have smoked half a gram to stop the wd, but even knowing that it wouldn't get me high, the vice of the foil was stronger... i was 30 hours since last heroin dose, i wasn't wd like i was going cold turkey, but my legs were hurting very badly and had RLS, cold chils, some of the others sympthoms, but not severe.. the legs were severe, i didn't sleep, i left the house when it was dark, hopping that somebody would be selling, unfortunaly or fortunaly, i don't already know, there was already some dealers in the street where i go... i got hold of loazepam and tramadol, i think it's better for me than subutex... i would like some clonodine too... but, the farmacy sold tramadol and lorazepam without prescription, they had no clonodine, it's being discontinued here in portugal.. i still don't know if i will start tomorrow, i will go out to do tai chi with my friend/lover, and i don't want her to notice that i'm wd.. so maybe i will do H tomorrow too, only to be "normal".....
 
OCLINDSAY said:
get it out man fuck that shit you got to pay the price im a girl and just used the thomas recipe and I wanted to kill myself. Subs is just another extension of your addiction. I dont believe in weaning off you should drop it cold turkey even with benzos (only if you took very large doses) weaning under doctor supervision is advisable. I dropped both oppies and valiums (450 mg habit)
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No offense but this is terrible advice I agree with Dizrted, Subtex and suboxone both are incredible substances and work magically. Anyone who truly WANTs to end there opiate addicition and are willing to embrace all forms of help from doctors, psychiatrist and therapists will fully benefit from this. THE LONGER YOU ARE ON SUBS THE BETTER IT WORKS. IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT SHOOTING DOPE AGAIN ITS ODDS OF WORKING ARE MUCH LOWER
 
I didn't even thought on following that advice... i have a 1,5/2 grams heroin habbit, i have heart problems (there where doctors who refused giving me pills, cause they don't know how my heart will function without heroin, strange yes, but it was two, not one doctor), and evey detox is a gamble for me, if not well medicated. I don't take pleasure on subs, i only want them (wanted, cause i will chance my method) for rapid detox. After my detoxes (i have 19 years of heroin problems 5 comnsuming 7 clean (but drinking and social coke and speed 1 consuming 5 clean (of it all) and now 1 consuming) i left all pills, 7 days taking pills to detox , and after not even a benzo, so my intention with subs, tramals, benzos, etc is only for detox reasons, and it's strange how someone who doesn't know me says that subs are a extension of my addiction, my health, and my emotional conditional... i used them 8 months ago, for 5 days, and now for 1 day... so, strange conclusion about my addiction... i only want heroin...
I can die from heart failure in could turkey, the doctors said that to me straight up...
I wasn't going to answer, but the second person talked about that advise, so i gave my opinion as well
 
Don't fight the statistics the problem is even if you fight for rapid detox your chances of jumping back on ARE HUGE. Get put on subs and get professional help if its available to you. The largest benefit of a suboxone program is you can be on it for years and will help in preventing relapses No one talks about that here. THE LONGER YOU ARE ON SUBOXONE THE BETTER IT WORKS.

I don't mean to sound rude but take care of yourself man. You seem very kind and that you just want some help, you need to embrace all forms of treatment to get off of heavy H. Addiction doctors ,psychiatrists and therapists.
 
yes, and i apreciate the advice. I've done therapy for one year in the past, and it worked wonder for me. I will do some therapyu this time to, but i will try to make it whithout a subtitution program.
but i have naltrexone, the doc who prescrived the meds for me this time, gave me that... he asked me if i eanted a substitution program (but i think it was methadone that he was going to give me), i said no and he gave me naltrexone for me to take for 3 to 6 months... i took it 2 days ;\
But it's not out of the picture to make a subs program, but i will try first whithout that, unfortunaly (or for this case, fortunaly) i am broke, and unemploid.. i will have no money to get back on heroin...
 
Just want to throw out that I tried to switch to suboxone from MMT and I got up to 16mg from 130mg methadone and that still wasn't enough. For large habits, 12mg may not be enough. You may want to consider an alternative therapy such as MMT or weaning yourself, or, if you're comfortable with it, cold turkey. But please do your research and be careful.
 
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Yes, maybe i need more, but i now have20mg in total, it isn't enough. no i will not go cols turkey, i have tramadol and lorazepam, bought today. the ideal wouyld be if i had clonodine too, i made it with these 3 (well oxazepam instead of lorazepam), and my only wd was weakness and night sweats... almost wd free.
 
Omg u sound just like me 5 years clean and Ive been using a year. I dosed 20mg subs last night felt mild withdrawl and smoked .4gbheroin this morning starting to feel crap now, wondering when I can dose with subs again, I have tons and prescribed daily so not an issue to get, I didn't feel better after the gear I didn't feel it at all, so hoping my receptors were soaked and therefore I can dose my subs again soon, I just want to not wake up rattling or get some sleep if I can sleep I'll be fine. I just want some advice on when people think I can dose subs. I took 10mg subs at 11pm last night woke at 230 drenched in sweat, took another 10mg at about 4am. I scored at 830 am and smoked it all no effect last gear smoked before 11am. Do u guys think I can take more subs soon???
 
vajeeh said:
12mg of buprenorphine is more than enough to bring you out of withdrawal. I had a huge heroin habit and I was more than fine inducing to bupe with 8mg.

If you feel like you are still ill after taking that, then you either are using a poor sublingual technique, or you are having anxiety which is increasing the perception of feeling unwell.

Make sure that when you take the subutex, that your mouth is as dry as possible. Using mouthwash and brushing your teeth a few minutes prior to taking it, will increase bioavailability and absorption. Let it dissolve for at least 10-15 minutes, followed by another good 10-15 minutes of swishing the bupe-saliva solution in your mouth like mouthwash, before swallowing.

When I started doing this, I was able to not only feel a very huge difference, but I was able to cut my dose from 8mg to 4mg, while feeling more on 4mg while using this technique, then I felt with 8mg while not using that technique.

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And in reference to someone here trying to advise you to go cold turkey and just stop, it isn't very practical. Of course if we could have, we would have. Saying it is easier than done...and those who have dealt with a heavy opiate habit, has a better chance of making something positive out of their life while being on a maintenance med like buprenorphine, then the alternative which means dealing with PAWS, cravings, depression, anxiety...and everything else which happens physiologically to a person going through PAWS/Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome. With opiates...it's not just stopping the substance and resuming normal life. Neurological changes have occurred in the brain which will cause an addict to suffer malaise and other miserable symptoms.

I hope it ends up working out well for you. I've done well with suboxone personally. I had a huge IV heroin habit, between half a gram to a gram daily of eastcoast (Baltimore) powder. And I've been taking suboxone once daily for quite some time and have been able to put aside cravings and build my life back up. There is nothing wrong with doing so, despite others who say its trading one addiction for another, that is completely not the case. My heroin addiction looks absolutely nothing like simply taking a suboxone when I wake up, and going about my day.
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So I get super nauseous when I let my saliva hold in my mouth for 10-15 minutes.. I'm drowning in my spit and I feel like I'm going to puke... if I puke shortly after letting the suboxone dissolve is it like pointless??

And speaking of pointless... if it take 2-3 days to "switch" from heroin to suboxone... why not just go through withdrawals???? Cause 2-3 days is the worst of it... then the next couple days are downhill... why get strung out on suboxone? Now I'm all freaked out about taking suboxone cause I don't want to take them to just make my w/ds worse...
 
ksralyv2mch said:
So I get super nauseous when I let my saliva hold in my mouth for 10-15 minutes.. I'm drowning in my spit and I feel like I'm going to puke... if I puke shortly after letting the suboxone dissolve is it like pointless??

And speaking of pointless... if it take 2-3 days to "switch" from heroin to suboxone... why not just go through withdrawals???? Cause 2-3 days is the worst of it... then the next couple days are downhill... why get strung out on suboxone? Now I'm all freaked out about taking suboxone cause I don't want to take them to just make my w/ds worse...
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In my experience, when I took suboxone, I would wait 24 hours after the last time I did H not 2 or 3 days and it worked for me. I think most of the suboxone gets absorbed under your tongue and not in your stomach so I would assume if you puked after taking the suboxone it would still work.
 
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